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dobby like kreacher...?

nachindi_chesey Groupbie

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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 1:22pm | IP Logged
hey ppls

i was re-watching the 2nd movie and that got me thinking...

as much as we hate kreacher for what he did to sirius, we seem to forget that dobby did the exact same thing to the malfoys in the 2nd book.... he left their house without their permission and betrayed them (not explicitly, but he did try to help harry)

and if you say what dobby did was ok because the malfoys are jerks and they treated dobby like dirt, well sirius did the same thing with kreacher... he never treated him like a real living thing, definitely not like his equal, but not even like something tolerable..... and kreacher wasnt evil only through his own accord because the house elves are influenced in their thoughts mainly by the family they serve and kreacher spent his whole life with the blacks.....

it's ironic that we hate kreacher so much but we think dobby is a really nice good elf...... and seeing as there's a house elf on the cover of HPDH, house elves probably play some part in the story... u guys think maybe the dobby / kreacher similarities also have some importance?


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Posted: 06 May 2007 at 4:25pm | IP Logged
wow!!....great point yaar Clap ....u have really thought about this Smile Smile Smile ....

yeah it is ironic Confusedthat we love dobby as a character and hate kreacher LOL ....though i guess seeing as kreacher helped the bad guys Ouch Ouch ...we hate him more naturally LOL .....and dobby well...he helped the gud guys Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed .....i think it would be natural for us to takes sides like that...

...and the most imporatnt thing...wht Dumbledore said to Harry after Sirius's death is that kreacher would only listen to a person who is from the black family Confused Confused Confused .....and hence he told the death eaters his whereabouts Angry Angry Angry ......i guess JK ...has very clevery made this situation....dobby on the other hand used to hurt himself Confused ...in order to punish himself for betraying the malfoys LOL .....which kinda made every one say Embarrassed Embarrassed ......aaaaaaaaaawwwwww Embarrassed .....hehe.... LOL LOL LOL

dobby and kreacher both got treated babdy by their owners Confused Confused .....Sirius i guess is a lovely person Embarrassed .....kreacher reminded him of his past with his family Confused Confused Confused ...as being a Black...and i guess he always took his angry out on him Confused .................

great topic..by the way Clap

Edited by TINK - 06 May 2007 at 4:26pm
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 12:15am | IP Logged
gud point.....but i thnk evry1 feel sgud bat dobby coz i wntd 2 do gud 2 harry nwizradin wrld...on d oder hnd kreacher dint have ne feeling s like dat......but 2 say d truth both hav dun d exact same fault...both have betrayed deir masters
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Posted: 07 May 2007 at 4:39am | IP Logged

well thats a striking point u have made there!!!

well i don't know if the similarity will have any importance as such but definately the similarity is striking...

but then on the other hand kreater left because he was LOYAL to the black family whereas dobby overlooked his loyalty for harry...

and when u loook at it their choices are different.... kreature chose to serve the dark side while dobby chose to defy it and as dumbledore once said it all lies in the choices one makes and dobby made the right choice while kreature didnt...

but you did make your point very well Clap Clap

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Posted: 09 May 2007 at 5:07am | IP Logged
Ahaaa, finally someone made a post on this... I had thought of this when i was reading the 5th and 6th books , but felt may be I was reading too much into these characters, but I couldnt brush away the feeling that our attitude , rather the reader's dislike towards Kreacher is derived more from the intense liking for teh Harry Potter and that kreacher served the black family...

Thank you for making this post,... am in ahurry now, but will chip in my thoughts later...again...

And yeah I do believe the house elves will have a major role to play!! Smile
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Posted: 09 May 2007 at 6:01am | IP Logged
ya me too blive dey wil an imp role in DH
daisyUSA Senior Member

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Posted: 09 May 2007 at 10:10am | IP Logged
Nice topic...I wanted to hold my posting and had been giving it a thought for a while.....

Here is my take....dobby even though a house elf had a mind of his own and know who to support...he could clearly distinguish between good & evil...where as kreacher on other hand was loyal to family he served...and think of it he was so loyal to Black family that he was blindly serving who ever stayed loyal to Black family name....even after Harry became his master...he still believed in Black family as his serving family.

I am suspecting that in book7 kreacher may escape Hogwarts as DD is gone & spill everything to Balltrix.

BTW this had been most intersting topic & tough one to point who is right & who is wrong..I guess both in a way play special role in HP . I think hermoine S.P.E.W club would be intersting with all these characters

Edited by daisyUSA - 09 May 2007 at 10:11am
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Posted: 09 May 2007 at 11:45am | IP Logged
good point Tongue

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