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raj5000

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 2:55pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

Originally posted by Maya_M

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

k think bout it dis..wayy

her self-esteem..dignity EVERYYYYTHINGG...hass been taken away frm in a matter of minss..
she's prolli not even thinkingg prolli at teh momenttt..
she hass NO clue wat so ever bout wat just happned and wat she do eitehr..
u relly think itz gonna cum to mind then??

I am sorry but I am not good at deciphering slang talk so I hope I got your point. 1 st trimester is 3 months and after that there are another 3 months in 2 nd trimester. But waiting till the last minute and claiming that only then a rape victim actually regained her senses is not justifiable.

rape is a VERY seriouss..thing k?..
it'z not liek a broken leg that will get healed in 4-6 months...
the embarassment, shock and guilt stays wid u FOREVER..

Sorry to Interrupt!!!!!

Totally understand your point! But this debate is getting side tracked. R* and How baby was concieved is a separate topic. Lets stop r* discussion here and continue on original topic before it gets completely off hand. Thanks!

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 3:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Dabulls23

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

Originally posted by Maya_M

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

k think bout it dis..wayy

her self-esteem..dignity EVERYYYYTHINGG...hass been taken away frm in a matter of minss..
she's prolli not even thinkingg prolli at teh momenttt..
she hass NO clue wat so ever bout wat just happned and wat she do eitehr..
u relly think itz gonna cum to mind then??

I am sorry but I am not good at deciphering slang talk so I hope I got your point. 1 st trimester is 3 months and after that there are another 3 months in 2 nd trimester. But waiting till the last minute and claiming that only then a rape victim actually regained her senses is not justifiable.

rape is a VERY seriouss..thing k?..
it'z not liek a broken leg that will get healed in 4-6 months...
the embarassment, shock and guilt stays wid u FOREVER..

Agreed Mannu but I am hoping there is some counselling which is taking place for her to put her mental, emotional life back together to some extent.  Some guidance is there in making such a big decision.  No one is sliding the real issue here.  Hope u understand that.

The only time this might occur in most conceivable reasons is when the support group for the mother vanishes or she loses faith in them and she gets cold feet, now you might ask how often does that happen? well late-term abortions are also a rarity

there are hardly any numbers available for this, but some extrapolated #'s on the website for 90's

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/ib14.html

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sareg

Originally posted by Dabulls23

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

Originally posted by Maya_M

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

k think bout it dis..wayy

her self-esteem..dignity EVERYYYYTHINGG...hass been taken away frm in a matter of minss..
she's prolli not even thinkingg prolli at teh momenttt..
she hass NO clue wat so ever bout wat just happned and wat she do eitehr..
u relly think itz gonna cum to mind then??

I am sorry but I am not good at deciphering slang talk so I hope I got your point. 1 st trimester is 3 months and after that there are another 3 months in 2 nd trimester. But waiting till the last minute and claiming that only then a rape victim actually regained her senses is not justifiable.

rape is a VERY seriouss..thing k?..
it'z not liek a broken leg that will get healed in 4-6 months...
the embarassment, shock and guilt stays wid u FOREVER..

Agreed Mannu but I am hoping there is some counselling which is taking place for her to put her mental, emotional life back together to some extent.  Some guidance is there in making such a big decision.  No one is sliding the real issue here.  Hope u understand that.

The only time this might occur in most conceivable reasons is when the support group for the mother vanishes or she loses faith in them and she gets cold feet, now you might ask how often does that happen? well late-term abortions are also a rarity

there are hardly any numbers available for this, but some extrapolated #'s on the website for 90's

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/ib14.html

Agreed with ya there Vineet.

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:43pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by raunaq


i read it, its indeed gruesome, and i feel pity on those innocent babies but i still feel it should be left on the mother to decide what is good for her and her baby. i dont think any mother would want her childs life to be taken in such an unsightly manner, and going on for 6 months and then deciding to get aborted might mean that she has been forced to go for it due to certain circumstances. it only brings out her inability to accept motherhood. i am not trying to give my opinion if this abortion is good or bad but if this is banned then fine but what are the other options for the replacement for partial abortion and of course painless ones. i am trying to assess this issue on behalf of those who plump for this method


raunaq Clap
I also have a problem with those who profess the welfare of baby as if they care for the 6 month foetus MORE than his / her mother and while pretending so, they question others' mentality Ouch for being supportive of mother??   Mother goes through a permanent emotional scar even when she chooses an abortion even in the safe and early phase.  Those who abort so late are actually putting themselves at risk too.  It is so wrong to judge them / the issue when one does not know an individual and his / her circumstances.  If as a third party, we all know how great other choices such as adoption could be, I am sure the mom-to-be who carried her bundle inside for 6 months knows of them too.  If she STILL chooses to let it go, and let is not be exposed to an unknown life which she cannot guarante to be happy and safe either.....  if anything, we should cry with her / feel for her .  WE should hope that she is blessed with the joy of momhood when she is ready and for the child to seek peace in the loving care of the almighty.

I am not professing abortion, but I do hope for people to be less judgmental towards the mother.  She must be dying a thousand deaths my heart felt even while reading about all that procedure.
Raunaq, your post touched my heart.  TFS.
mermaid_qt

PS - If they are banned, Govt must provide assured welfare/ well-being of the child and the mom should be given evidence of such during the following years.

yes i care for the baby more than for the  mother for a simple reason..........THE BABY HAS NO VOICE.  what about the baby's right to decide that it wants to live.  all along we're so worried about the mother's decision and this and that, well what about the baby's decisions.  or is it that its 2 months from being full-term that its not a human yet so it has no right to want to live?

if the same baby was killed 2 months later in a similar fashion b/c the mother DECIDED  that she was unable to handle the kid...unable to guarantee a good life and a safe one,  does this make it okay too?  should we "cry with her and feel sorry for her" then too?



Until the baby can breathe by itself, it is part of mother's body.  Once it is on its own, it is an individual.  WE seem  to have a difference of opinion here.  The kid can not only not speak, but can not breathe in air yet either.. The only connection he / she has to the world is MOTHER, not you LOL (ok j/k there, nothing personal).. So sorry, but mom comes before you!  I'd never say I love someone more than his / her mom.  We completely disagree on that as well. 
For those who actually feel so deeply about the issue, a great idea is to COUNSEL women seeking such abortions and succeed at convincing them otherwise, instead of passing judgements at them .  I hope we could agree on that.  Once someone actually starts doing that, the judgment is dropped..

instead of sucking its brains out in the last trimester, give birth to it instead and it will survive.  then not only will it speak (cry) but it will also breathe in the air. 

and who's gonna pay for the baby ??

the same person who's going to pay for the abortion.

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:44pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by payal99

Originally posted by ~*MaNnU*~

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by raunaq


i read it, its indeed gruesome, and i feel pity on those innocent babies but i still feel it should be left on the mother to decide what is good for her and her baby. i dont think any mother would want her childs life to be taken in such an unsightly manner, and going on for 6 months and then deciding to get aborted might mean that she has been forced to go for it due to certain circumstances. it only brings out her inability to accept motherhood. i am not trying to give my opinion if this abortion is good or bad but if this is banned then fine but what are the other options for the replacement for partial abortion and of course painless ones. i am trying to assess this issue on behalf of those who plump for this method


raunaq Clap
I also have a problem with those who profess the welfare of baby as if they care for the 6 month foetus MORE than his / her mother and while pretending so, they question others' mentality Ouch for being supportive of mother??   Mother goes through a permanent emotional scar even when she chooses an abortion even in the safe and early phase.  Those who abort so late are actually putting themselves at risk too.  It is so wrong to judge them / the issue when one does not know an individual and his / her circumstances.  If as a third party, we all know how great other choices such as adoption could be, I am sure the mom-to-be who carried her bundle inside for 6 months knows of them too.  If she STILL chooses to let it go, and let is not be exposed to an unknown life which she cannot guarante to be happy and safe either.....  if anything, we should cry with her / feel for her .  WE should hope that she is blessed with the joy of momhood when she is ready and for the child to seek peace in the loving care of the almighty.

I am not professing abortion, but I do hope for people to be less judgmental towards the mother.  She must be dying a thousand deaths my heart felt even while reading about all that procedure.
Raunaq, your post touched my heart.  TFS.
mermaid_qt

PS - If they are banned, Govt must provide assured welfare/ well-being of the child and the mom should be given evidence of such during the following years.

yes i care for the baby more than for the  mother for a simple reason..........THE BABY HAS NO VOICE.  what about the baby's right to decide that it wants to live.  all along we're so worried about the mother's decision and this and that, well what about the baby's decisions.  or is it that its 2 months from being full-term that its not a human yet so it has no right to want to live?

if the same baby was killed 2 months later in a similar fashion b/c the mother DECIDED  that she was unable to handle the kid...unable to guarantee a good life and a safe one,  does this make it okay too?  should we "cry with her and feel sorry for her" then too?



Until the baby can breathe by itself, it is part of mother's body.  Once it is on its own, it is an individual.  WE seem  to have a difference of opinion here.  The kid can not only not speak, but can not breathe in air yet either.. The only connection he / she has to the world is MOTHER, not you LOL (ok j/k there, nothing personal).. So sorry, but mom comes before you!  I'd never say I love someone more than his / her mom.  We completely disagree on that as well. 
For those who actually feel so deeply about the issue, a great idea is to COUNSEL women seeking such abortions and succeed at convincing them otherwise, instead of passing judgements at them .  I hope we could agree on that.  Once someone actually starts doing that, the judgment is dropped..

instead of sucking its brains out in the last trimester, give birth to it instead and it will survive.  then not only will it speak (cry) but it will also breathe in the air. 

and who's gonna pay for the baby ??

the same person who's going to pay for the abortion.

abortion cost MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH les thenn than rasing a childdd

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:46pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

IMO, the decision should be left to the mother. How gruesome the process is, shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether to ban it or not. Even in a normal abortion a fetus gets killed, if that's allowed why should this be an exception.

Since the baby still can't think for itself and does not have a fully developed brain, the voice of the baby argument becomes redundant. It is not correct to compare it with a baby already born, because it has it's own decision making power unlike the unborn child.

As for giving up the baby for adoption, even for that the mother has to go through the whole term of pregnancy. And who'll be paying for all the medication and check-ups to ensure a safe pregnancy?? Me, you, the Govt., No. Then how can we even make that decision for her. And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.

this was the most insensitive post yet.  there are so many childless couples and you sit here and say that its their problem.  oh god, how could you say that.  god forbid if you were to ever be put in that situation you would realize what they go through.

and its not the mother's fault that the child is unwanted, the mother should've prevented the pregnancy in teh first place, well if it was a rape or abuse then its a different story.

regarding your comment about the mother have to go through the whole pregnancy, well she's already more than 2/3 of the way through it, what she suddenly woke up and realized she doesn't want it anymore.  how retarded.

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 4:46pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by payal99

the same person who's going to pay for the abortion.



i am sorry, i know this is a serious topic but couldnt help laughing loudly at this comment LOL LOL LOL

Edited by raunaq - 24 April 2007 at 4:54pm

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