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souro

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:45pm | IP Logged

IMO, the decision should be left to the mother. How gruesome the process is, shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether to ban it or not. Even in a normal abortion a fetus gets killed, if that's allowed why should this be an exception.

Since the baby still can't think for itself and does not have a fully developed brain, the voice of the baby argument becomes redundant. It is not correct to compare it with a baby already born, because it has it's own decision making power unlike the unborn child.

As for giving up the baby for adoption, even for that the mother has to go through the whole term of pregnancy. And who'll be paying for all the medication and check-ups to ensure a safe pregnancy?? Me, you, the Govt., No. Then how can we even make that decision for her. And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:49pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.


exactly, if the mother doesnt want give her child for adoption, its her decision. why to develop a maternal connection after nine months, go through the pain and at the end give away the baby? how painful will be that for a mother we dont know

Edited by raunaq - 24 April 2007 at 1:50pm

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:50pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

IMO, the decision should be left to the mother. How gruesome the process is, shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether to ban it or not. Even in a normal abortion a fetus gets killed, if that's allowed why should this be an exception.

Since the baby still can't think for itself and does not have a fully developed brain, the voice of the baby argument becomes redundant. It is not correct to compare it with a baby already born, because it has it's own decision making power unlike the unborn child.

As for giving up the baby for adoption, even for that the mother has to go through the whole term of pregnancy. And who'll be paying for all the medication and check-ups to ensure a safe pregnancy?? Me, you, the Govt., No. Then how can we even make that decision for her. And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.

very very veryy well saidddClap

if onlyy all guyz thinked like youuu

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:51pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by raunaq

Originally posted by souro

And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.



exactly, if the mother doesnt want give her child for adoption, its her decision

utterly ridiculous.  what fault is it of the child that its unwanted?  anyways, i'm outnumbered.  i got nothing more to add. 



Edited by mittijalebi - 24 April 2007 at 1:51pm

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:53pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by raunaq

Originally posted by souro

And as for the argument that there are hundreds of childless couple wanting to adopt a child, that's their problem, why should the mother pregnant with an unwanted child take the responsibility for them.

exactly, if the mother doesnt want give her child for adoption, its her decision


utterly ridiculous. what fault is it of the child that its unwanted? anyways, i'm outnumbered. i got nothing more to add.



please read my edited post. i never said the child is unwanted but you also have to think from a mothers perspective


Edited by raunaq - 24 April 2007 at 1:54pm

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Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by raunaq


i read it, its indeed gruesome, and i feel pity on those innocent babies but i still feel it should be left on the mother to decide what is good for her and her baby. i dont think any mother would want her childs life to be taken in such an unsightly manner, and going on for 6 months and then deciding to get aborted might mean that she has been forced to go for it due to certain circumstances. it only brings out her inability to accept motherhood. i am not trying to give my opinion if this abortion is good or bad but if this is banned then fine but what are the other options for the replacement for partial abortion and of course painless ones. i am trying to assess this issue on behalf of those who plump for this method


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I also have a problem with those who profess the welfare of baby as if they care for the 6 month foetus MORE than his / her mother and while pretending so, they question others' mentality Ouch for being supportive of mother??   Mother goes through a permanent emotional scar even when she chooses an abortion even in the safe and early phase.  Those who abort so late are actually putting themselves at risk too.  It is so wrong to judge them / the issue when one does not know an individual and his / her circumstances.  If as a third party, we all know how great other choices such as adoption could be, I am sure the mom-to-be who carried her bundle inside for 6 months knows of them too.  If she STILL chooses to let it go, and let is not be exposed to an unknown life which she cannot guarante to be happy and safe either.....  if anything, we should cry with her / feel for her .  WE should hope that she is blessed with the joy of momhood when she is ready and for the child to seek peace in the loving care of the almighty.

I am not professing abortion, but I do hope for people to be less judgmental towards the mother.  She must be dying a thousand deaths my heart felt even while reading about all that procedure.
Raunaq, your post touched my heart.  TFS.
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PS - If they are banned, Govt must provide assured welfare/ well-being of the child and the mom should be given evidence of such during the following years.

yes i care for the baby more than for the  mother for a simple reason..........THE BABY HAS NO VOICE.  what about the baby's right to decide that it wants to live.  all along we're so worried about the mother's decision and this and that, well what about the baby's decisions.  or is it that its 2 months from being full-term that its not a human yet so it has no right to want to live?

if the same baby was killed 2 months later in a similar fashion b/c the mother DECIDED  that she was unable to handle the kid...unable to guarantee a good life and a safe one,  does this make it okay too?  should we "cry with her and feel sorry for her" then too?



Until the baby can breathe by itself, it is part of mother's body.  Once it is on its own, it is an individual.  WE seem  to have a difference of opinion here.  The kid can not only not speak, but can not breathe in air yet either.. The only connection he / she has to the world is MOTHER, not you LOL (ok j/k there, nothing personal).. So sorry, but mom comes before you!  I'd never say I love someone more than his / her mom.  We completely disagree on that as well. 
For those who actually feel so deeply about the issue, a great idea is to COUNSEL women seeking such abortions and succeed at convincing them otherwise, instead of passing judgements at them .  I hope we could agree on that.  Once someone actually starts doing that, the judgment is dropped..

instead of sucking its brains out in the last trimester, give birth to it instead and it will survive.  then not only will it speak (cry) but it will also breathe in the air. 

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 1:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by mittijalebi

Originally posted by mermaid_QT

Originally posted by raunaq


i read it, its indeed gruesome, and i feel pity on those innocent babies but i still feel it should be left on the mother to decide what is good for her and her baby. i dont think any mother would want her childs life to be taken in such an unsightly manner, and going on for 6 months and then deciding to get aborted might mean that she has been forced to go for it due to certain circumstances. it only brings out her inability to accept motherhood. i am not trying to give my opinion if this abortion is good or bad but if this is banned then fine but what are the other options for the replacement for partial abortion and of course painless ones. i am trying to assess this issue on behalf of those who plump for this method


raunaq Clap
I also have a problem with those who profess the welfare of baby as if they care for the 6 month foetus MORE than his / her mother and while pretending so, they question others' mentality Ouch for being supportive of mother??   Mother goes through a permanent emotional scar even when she chooses an abortion even in the safe and early phase.  Those who abort so late are actually putting themselves at risk too.  It is so wrong to judge them / the issue when one does not know an individual and his / her circumstances.  If as a third party, we all know how great other choices such as adoption could be, I am sure the mom-to-be who carried her bundle inside for 6 months knows of them too.  If she STILL chooses to let it go, and let is not be exposed to an unknown life which she cannot guarante to be happy and safe either.....  if anything, we should cry with her / feel for her .  WE should hope that she is blessed with the joy of momhood when she is ready and for the child to seek peace in the loving care of the almighty.

I am not professing abortion, but I do hope for people to be less judgmental towards the mother.  She must be dying a thousand deaths my heart felt even while reading about all that procedure.
Raunaq, your post touched my heart.  TFS.
mermaid_qt

PS - If they are banned, Govt must provide assured welfare/ well-being of the child and the mom should be given evidence of such during the following years.

yes i care for the baby more than for the  mother for a simple reason..........THE BABY HAS NO VOICE.  what about the baby's right to decide that it wants to live.  all along we're so worried about the mother's decision and this and that, well what about the baby's decisions.  or is it that its 2 months from being full-term that its not a human yet so it has no right to want to live?

if the same baby was killed 2 months later in a similar fashion b/c the mother DECIDED  that she was unable to handle the kid...unable to guarantee a good life and a safe one,  does this make it okay too?  should we "cry with her and feel sorry for her" then too?



Until the baby can breathe by itself, it is part of mother's body.  Once it is on its own, it is an individual.  WE seem  to have a difference of opinion here.  The kid can not only not speak, but can not breathe in air yet either.. The only connection he / she has to the world is MOTHER, not you LOL (ok j/k there, nothing personal).. So sorry, but mom comes before you!  I'd never say I love someone more than his / her mom.  We completely disagree on that as well. 
For those who actually feel so deeply about the issue, a great idea is to COUNSEL women seeking such abortions and succeed at convincing them otherwise, instead of passing judgements at them .  I hope we could agree on that.  Once someone actually starts doing that, the judgment is dropped..

instead of sucking its brains out in the last trimester, give birth to it instead and it will survive.  then not only will it speak (cry) but it will also breathe in the air. 

and who's gonna pay for the baby ??

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Posted: 24 April 2007 at 2:01pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mittijalebi

 

yes i care for the baby more than for the  mother for a simple reason..........THE BABY HAS NO VOICE.  what about the baby's right to decide that it wants to live.  all along we're so worried about the mother's decision and this and that, well what about the baby's decisions.  or is it that its 2 months from being full-term that its not a human yet so it has no right to want to live?

if the same baby was killed 2 months later in a similar fashion b/c the mother DECIDED  that she was unable to handle the kid...unable to guarantee a good life and a safe one,  does this make it okay too?  should we "cry with her and feel sorry for her" then too?

Yes, reading that article was indeed gruesome. It's horrible actually. And I perfectly understand what you are going through reading that.

If there is any consolation to you, there is actually  stipulations in some states where abortion beyond 20 weeks is not allowed.

However, we do need to realise that till the child is born, it is completely and totally dependent on the mother. The mother feeds and nurtures the baby with her own blood. The child cannot even breathe by itself. It is possible that the mother might not have enough resources to keep going, to keep providing for the baby. Could be that the mother has more responsibilities, more children to look after, and perhaps she was not in a position to provide for another child. Or her own life could be in danger and that could be a reason for abortion.

In earlier days, more women died from childbirth leaving her other kids to fend for themselves simply because she had no other choice. No family planning method is 100% safe, accidents happen. I am not even going into teenage issues, sexual abuse etc etc.

As for giving birth and putting up for adoption - well, the truth is that there are thousands and thousands of homeless children around the world who never get adopted - it would only add to the misery of the kid as well as the mother.

Because abortion IS the most painful choice a woman can make - it's better not to make judgements.......

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