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Posted: 24 July 2005 at 9:01pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by shriman

Dear Members:

I am a Hindu and I have no prejudices against muslims, christian, jews or even athiests... since there are various religions in the world.

However... one point to note is that as history is witness, Muslims are always the group of people who have created animosity with other religions. Right now, in the 21st cent., there are problems between Muslims and Hindus, Muslims and Jews, Muslims and Christians.

I have not heard or seen any problmes between Hindus and Jews? These conflicts always involve muslims.

Also, this group is always against other religions. They destroyed one of the most holy sites in India, the beautiful Somnath Temple by three different mughal emperors from the lineage of Akbar and when Hindus destroyed the Babri Mosque, they felt the pain.

So, why is this happening and why can't the muslims teach their kids not to promote terrorism and not to blow themselves up for their religion... when that is not what Islam promotes.

Islam is a very peaceful religion and the position of non-violence is very high since I have muslim friends.. but their actions are promoting the hatred.

So.... the main question... are they worth the racism?

 **** a moderate discussion only ****

sriman....you have opened a can of worms.

 here are few points to note....

1)the people who destroyed the temples were medival conquerers and politicians...they were not muslims. there were spanish conquerors who commited sacrilege in mayan temples and there were baptist christians who thought hinduism was a ignorant backward pagan religion(so should we blame christianity for it?). there are multiple wars fought in the name of religion, most significantly the dark crusades(when the real reason was gaining control over the costantinople , an important place in the historic spice/silk  routes). let us not blame a religion for something that was politically motivated/done by a fanatic but blamed on the religion.

2) now for terrorism, terrorism is not encouraged by any religion but by individual using it for thier individual motives/power hunger/some fanatical idea about how world should be .once again let us not point a finger towards a certain religion or faith. have you forgotten srilankan terrorists, naxalites and sikhs fighting from the golden temple(all of them hindus).

                personally i think that muslims have earned a bad name bcoz they started as a warrior race in the one of the most harsh living conditions . apart from it they are great sticklers for thier faith. somehow a prejudice was devloped against them and has been passed down over generations. the fact that most muslim dominant countries have had a very turbulent political history and at times the power lay with fanatics has not helped either . however a clear understanding of thier lifestyle and customs (why and how they came into being) is very important before we pass a judgement on them.

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 24 July 2005 at 9:03pm | IP Logged
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Posted: 25 July 2005 at 2:54am | IP Logged

Wow!! A very heated topic!! Ok here are my $0.02:

  I  am Hindu but I have muslim friends! And I respect them very much! Osama bin Laden and his group of terrorists are responsible for 9/11 attacks and possibly London attacks too! It wasn't all muslims! Al-Qaeda is a group of Muslims that are violent, but it doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists!  It seems that all muslims are responsible becasue these terrorists make it look like it is written in the Quran that it is ok to do all of this and they misuse the term Jihad!! Jihad and Quran have nothing to do with terrorism! Islam is a very peaceful and simple religion!  Terrorists can be from every religion and race, so let's not point fingers at one group, even though Al-Qaeda is mostly muslims! We are looking at a minority that exists within the world's 2nd largest religion! We have to punish the people who did this, regardless of religions! People in the US must know  the Timothy McVeigh case, the man who was responsible for the Oklahoma city bombing in I believe 1993-96 ! Was he muslim? No! He was a white Christian man and he was executed some years ago! Osama we have to remember is not a true muslim and neither are his little terrorist dummies! They don't have a religion. but they misuse and abuse Islam becasue they think they are right, which they are not! We shouldn't be blaming muslims but the people who claim they are devout muslims and yet do all these horrible acts, and every other terrorist and racial grops like the Klu Klux Klan as well!! I hope I am understood! Sorry for the long post!!!!

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Posted: 25 July 2005 at 7:50am | IP Logged
I HAVE NEVER POINTED TO THE FACT THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS... THAT IS COMPLETEY FALSE AND UNACCOUNTED FOR.

THE FOCUS IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THE IMAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT NOONE IS HAVING HATRED TOWARDS THIS GROUP.

AS PER THE COMMENT WHY THEY DON'T SAY HINDUS TO TEACH THEIR KIDS IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE SUICIDE BOMBERS AT THIS EXTENT.. NEVER.... AND NEVER IN THE FUTURE.

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Posted: 25 July 2005 at 7:53am | IP Logged

Don't be sorry Shriman! This topic is discussable but just make sure u are not hurting/making feel offended to a certain group while posting a delicate topic like this.

 

Back to the Topic.. Islam itself is a religion of peace and harmony. Prophet Mohammed (Pbh) was settled a peaceful environment in that dark age of Arab.  But the problem starts when terms of a religion are misinterpreting by a few people. Using religious terms and beliefs for creating conflicts to achieve different political and social motives are very common in all religion in different parts of time. The latest addition to it was the terrorism acts happening in the world. But before pointing out an individual religion for this, we have to know that in all those terrible incidents not only Hindus, Jews and Christians were victimized but also a plenty of Muslims also lost their near and dear ones. Terrorism did not bless them for their religion. Terrorism never had a religion and neither any religion teaches us to be violent. It is we, the people, who decide whether to be good or to be bad.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 25 July 2005 at 9:28am | IP Logged
oh wow gauher, i must commend your magnanimity.....that was very matured.....

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Posted: 26 July 2005 at 1:22am | IP Logged

Originally posted by shriman

I HAVE NEVER POINTED TO THE FACT THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS... THAT IS COMPLETEY FALSE AND UNACCOUNTED FOR.

THE FOCUS IS WHAT CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE THE IMAGE AND MAKE SURE THAT NOONE IS HAVING HATRED TOWARDS THIS GROUP.

AS PER THE COMMENT WHY THEY DON'T SAY HINDUS TO TEACH THEIR KIDS IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE SUICIDE BOMBERS AT THIS EXTENT.. NEVER.... AND NEVER IN THE FUTURE.

Interesting point! And I hope we Hindus don't have suicide bombers to this extent. But the thing is that it is just the Al-Qaeda and other terrorist networks that do thid kind of things! They brainwash innocent people and poison them against others. Islam is all about peace and the parents do teach that these things are wrong, but of course there are other parents that support these terrorists. I know you didn't mean to point at Muslims whatsoever, but it is also true that Muslims don't appreciate what these Al-Qaeda and other similar networks are doing falsley in the name of Islam! The best thing to do is to ignore these terrorists and learn what Islam is really about! But also keep in mind that terrorists apply to all religions and race and let us not single out one religion! Islam is the world's second largest religion and terrorists are a very very small variety! So I say let's punish the evil terrorists and and let us all be friends!! Smile

What say???Big smile

Love Monica!!WinkBig smile

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Posted: 26 July 2005 at 7:00pm | IP Logged
Well u c I am Muslim n im not considered a terrorist. Im not sayin dat wat u said is wrong its just 1 thing I cant stand is blamin all of 1 religion 4 wat 1 person does. Like during September 11thCry...I kno it was horrible 4 every1 but most of all 4 us muslimsCry 2 c dat 1 of us (Muslims) cld have done somthin like dis. But we have 2 face da facts an da facts r dat bcuz of 1 persons crime we all have 2 hide our faces. N its jus some ppl of 1 religion r good n some r bad we cant change dat they pick fate 4 themselves. N u cant say its jus 1 religion its every religion dat has flaws. I mean no 1s perfect n not a whole religion sld have 2 pay 4 da mistakes of 1 person! Im not sayin dat ur wrong...every1 has a free opinion itz just not all muslims r like dat 1 bad person. Racism is a very strong fact n many ppl r racism but no 1 sld b racist 2 a whole community of ppl bcuz of 1 person. N 2 dat fact dat Muslims always have a problem w/ another religion, dat is totally negative...bcuz every1 is not included in, meaning da fight may b between muslims n cristians but not all muslims may belive dat there own r rite. N every1 is equal so who cares wich side ur on...I mean every1 is different n our opinions r not da same but that doesnt mean we cant get along! Thanx 4 listenin n i hope no 1 got offended by anythin I said n if u did...plz accept my apolgies! Byez!Big smile

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