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Posted: 09 April 2007 at 8:06pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chatbuster

Originally posted by raj5000

Originally posted by chatbuster

Originally posted by raj5000

Originally posted by mermaid_QT


Okay, so I should count the fence sitters now.  Did anshu go on fence too Ouch ??  I am sure vineet will be steadfast Thumbs Up.  

No. Still on for no-ban. Read Sareg's response on page 4 sunday morning and thought battle is won..Wink Smile adding up Souro comment of having adverse impact by implying a restriction or a ban.

haha, not so fast. have not seen anything to refute my point and i'll repeat that below in case it was missedWink

ok - lets continue if you insistWink LOL  No, actually I just skimmed throught he pages man! reading 5 pages with full concentration = response to 50 new postsLOL

6 more pages after that, oh boy!  skimmed through them and still hold my ground.

whats up with .5% vote - whose flipping sides hereLOL.  I think we have a majority and verdict or conclusion can be announced before hosts are out of chips and guacamole...

debating by conducting public opinion polls LOL.LOL one might want to read Punjini's siggy to get a handle on what majority being on one side might mean at times.Wink

Understand that majority not always are of RightsWink but they finally make the ruling partyLOLLOL

BTW drinks are served for folks on board - ofcourse they are sponsored by KingFisher LOLLOL

next we'll be heariing wonderful stories of all the countless people who drive drunk yet not kill people, all the kids who show up stone drunk for exams and still ace those exams. LOLall of that misses the point that those activities, like the focus and distraction on endorsements, increases the likelihood of things going badly. margin between winning and losing is often a small one. keep driving drunk and the odds stack up for something terrible happening. the fact that we get away with it a few times, like we did with the sehwag endorsement saga, should not be exterpolated. that's a recipe for potential disasterWink

Don't blame the alcohol for that its the people who are to be blamed for the act mentioned.  I agree on "likelihood of things going badly" but  but responsible adults involved can change that phrase to unlikelihood of things going badly.

Basically coming at let the individuals decide what is good or bad for them, if endorsements are impacting thier performance then consequences are known and being "adults" one should know it.

also, nothing seen that refutes the point about tailoring proper incentive structure to drive cricketing performance, not acting performance. kisi ka "declare" karne se does not mean muchWinkLOL

Incentive structure is typically good in corporate setup with players and game doesn't sound right, however in a way its achieved here ones who perform excellently have other means to bump up his cash inflow i.e. endorsements.

Everyone very well knows if your performance is excellent, contracts continue if not then u are doomed.The whole basis of bagging an endorsement is par excellence in eye of general public with consistent performances, with that known how do expect individuals to ignore whatever it takes to keep up the performance, one's who ignores pay for it. 

Why ban? when in a way overindulgance in edorsements is itself showing the downside to player if performance is bad. 

For people who can continue to excel why not let them earn more - inspirational side of it...

Finally let people decide what is good or bad for them. BanTongue if thats going to gaurantee cup in '11.Smile its just another bullet point to add on papers.LOL

 

let's take your statement "Incentive structure is typically good in corporate setup with players and game doesn't sound right". i suppose you havent seen how they do it in professional sports in the US then. now those guys are performers. they work hard both off-season and during regular season. they get huge bonuses that are based on performance on the field, not off it, and that shows. the compensnsation for off-field antics is very little. with our guys, it's the other way around.

btw, dont know that our guys are very strong anyway. all the more they shld be working harder than their counterparts off-season, rather than getting their excercise running around studio trees with actressesWink

Nice!Smile picking the weak link in the overall response displays wisdomWinkClap

Again Indian sports and professionalism. HA! don't you see the reason behind 2 nd largest population and still struggling to make an minutest impact professional sporting event.

Back to topic: raise a flag if misinterpreted... BTW - I know how the gaming scenario works in US. Thanks though to detail it out.

Your Say

1. More time for practise with planned incentives.

2. Third party not allowed to contact players directly, board makes rules and decision for incentives.

3. More practise time might make at the least small difference that counts.

My Say :

1. Incentives = Endorsements minus involvement of board.

Where does the investment comes for incentives?

Incentives are subjected to performance evaluation points, in cricketing world, points like a good catcher is the one who drops one of 5 catches irrespective of when the catch was dropped makes no sense.

Consider endorsement as popularity based direct incentive from product owners.  why not??

2. We are talking India here...If incentive money is sponsered, half of the incentive money will go in pockets of ... who u know.

 3. I understand, more practise time will make that .00000000001 difference I agree, to gain big brands one can practise 20 hours and 1 hour of shoot.

Again all depends on person....

Again u want endorsements = incentive = money PERFORM AND PLAN YOUR TIME off or on season... everyone knows that.....

BTW off - on season in India LOL .. its always a season... in rain its the Kanga league that counts when u are picked for Ranji...

Finally atitude lags in Indians.. thats the whole new discussion... can bet if challenged Pak can beat any team in world... killer instinct... without any damn LaLach (hindi word)



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Posted: 09 April 2007 at 8:50pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by raj5000

Nice!Smile picking the weak link in the overall response displays wisdomWinkClap

wisdom was all unintentional; just instinctsWinkLOL

Again Indian sports and professionalism. HA! don't you see the reason behind 2 nd largest population and still struggling to make an minutest impact professional sporting event.

yes, we've already given up on much of sports. but since we do still feel passionatel about cricket, we could address that lack of professionalism in cricket. but when we get down to it, professionalism relates to an entire mind-set. endorsements are one factor is what i am sayingSmile

Back to topic: raise a flag if misinterpreted... BTW - I know how the gaming scenario works in US. Thanks though to detail it out.

Your Say

1. More time for practise with planned incentives.

incentives that relate mostly to game performance. base salary could be based on position in the field and in the team, much the same way they have it in US professional sportsSmile

2. Third party not allowed to contact players directly, board makes rules and decision for incentives.

i didnt say that but i suppose that might follow from other things i was sayingSmile

3. More practise time might make at the least small difference that counts.

My Say :

1. Incentives = Endorsements minus involvement of board.

Where does the investment comes for incentives?

Incentives are subjected to performance evaluation points, in cricketing world, points like a good catcher is the one who drops one of 5 catches irrespective of when the catch was dropped makes no sense.

Consider endorsement as popularity based direct incentive from product owners.  why not??

because popularity can also be based on notoriety and on past performance. remember a madhuri dixit or a kapil dev can still sell product though they may be past their prime.Smile it's also like having the football audience decide on bonuses for athletes. soon they'll be voting for goldilocks coz he/ she looks cute. Winkpeople who are intricately involved with the game and with match strategy should be the ones deciding whether a player has performed according to that strategy. dont also want the players playing to the galleriesWink unless one is interested primarily in entertainment, not cricketing performance.Smile

2. We are talking India here...If incentive money is sponsered, half of the incentive money will go in pockets of ... who u know.

shld not be a concern if the board is the one getting the money and doling it out, with proper and transparent accounting procedures put in place. or so i thinkSmile

 3. I understand, more practise time will make that .00000000001 difference I agree, to gain big brands one can practise 20 hours and 1 hour of shoot.

a 2% house edge is all it takes for a casino to clean up big after multiple small bets. that's the difference between winning big every year and losing big every year. Smile

Again all depends on person....

Again u want endorsements = incentive = money PERFORM AND PLAN YOUR TIME off or on season... everyone knows that.....

BTW off - on season in India LOL .. its always a season... in rain its the Kanga league that counts when u are picked for Ranji...

Finally atitude lags in Indians.. thats the whole new discussion... can bet if challenged Pak can beat any team in world... killer instinct... without any damn LaLach (hindi word)

all the more one can do without the monetary endorsements. i am all for good players getting wildly rich, but for performance delivered on the field, not off-it. on top of that, playing for country ought to be a big driver.Smile



Edited by chatbuster - 09 April 2007 at 8:51pm

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Posted: 09 April 2007 at 10:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chatbuster

Originally posted by raksha.l

Oh woow, can anybody decipher as to what is happening here..Its tough to track down as to who is saying what.. Confused

too bad they dont come out with an index, no? ya phir table of contents?LOL

LOL
Anyways, you guys need to take a chill pill and some cookies too LOL(but dont come to this fence because we are already running out of Coke)...

oh dont tell me no one is enjoying the tamashaCry

We are getting tensed here..Worried when you all will break into a fist fightOuchLOL

Decisions are not going to be made depending on what is decided here. Tongue

are they ever? yet words are written, belans thrown around, DM thrives Tongue

That's the fun part of it..Belan business also has to thrive, nai?

I would say this is another avenue for the BCCI to make some more mucho dinaro Wink ..The endorsement rights of the Plyers are up for sale, anyone interested??? Wink LOL

at a certain price, most anything will clearWinkLOL

LOL
What say now??? Big smile

bol diya hai na.  blue mein LOL

This is a good way of indexing...Tongue

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Posted: 09 April 2007 at 10:07pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ani11

Originally posted by qwertyesque

Originally posted by raksha.l

Oh woow, can anybody decipher as to what is happening here..Its tough to track down as to who is saying what.. Confused

Anyways, you guys need to take a chill pill and some cookies too LOL(but dont come to this fence because we are already running out of Coke)...Decisions are not going to be made depending on what is decided here. Tongue

I would say this is another avenue for the BCCI to make some more mucho dinaro Wink ..The endorsement rights of the Plyers are up for sale, anyone interested??? Wink LOL

What say now??? Big smile

Yeah you should use those to twist the noses of all the non-performers as a form of punishment.......LOLLOLLOL

LOLLOLLOLek A bhoolne kee itni bari saza....LOLLOL



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