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Posted: 05 July 2005 at 1:43pm | IP Logged

 

tv maniac m not paki m indian

 

well, i agree w/ some 1 said before... da answer iz both side of fence.. ppl in india like to go abroad. while desi's abroad like to come bck to ther c**try .. .

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I have been living in the states for a long long time... I go back to India sometimes... but I could never move there......

No matter how updated people in Punjab get... there thinking will always be the same.....

There thinking is so outdated.... I only go for couple of weeks at a time and whole time there I only here.....

don't do that, don't go there, don't were that, what did you do to your hair............etc....

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India, my country is labeled as an underdeveloped one by the rich nations. We have lots of problems.70% of our population are poor and illiterate. 80% of them are even below the poverty line, who cannot even have the subsistence level of income to live. We, the middle class people work hard to earn our living. We travel by bus ad train. We don't have any car. We don't have any luxuries in life, we just have full meal a day, give our children education and our whole lives go away in these thoughts. There are a few rich people here, who have lots of money in their hands. They have lots of luxuries. Skyscrapers and colonies exist side by side. A rich man's car passes away and a poor man who lives in footpath looks at it. This is India, full of dualities.

              But still, this is my country. I love to be here. i love to work here . I love to be called one of these crores of ordinary Indian people. I love to walk in a rally with slogans against the corrupt system. i love to fight for the rights of millions of workers. i love to go to the basties and tell the illiterate women that they should be united, they should fight against all the tortures of the male members of their houses. I feel myself privileged to get a proper education in this poor country. I love to go to the night colleges and educate the poor and meritorious students. i love to do whatever small thing i can do for my country , for my people. I feel proud to be in India. I feel proud to be one of these people. I hate the mentalities of the people who want to go abroad only to have some luxuries in life and forget their own country and forget that this county has spent crores of rupees to educate them and make them qualified for those foreign jobs. I hate those people who get education from this country and then dump this country and go to abroad for earning more and more money.. I am extremely happy to be here. I am happy with these buses and trains, with these loadsheddings, with all those small problems we face merely to exist. I was, am and always will be one of the millions of ordinary Indians.

 (Sorry if i have hurt anybody's sentiment. because this is only my personal view.)



Edited by Rumi - 06 July 2005 at 3:47am
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Posted: 06 July 2005 at 6:47am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rumi

 

India, my country is labeled as an underdeveloped one by the rich nations. We have lots of problems.70% of our population are poor and illiterate. 80% of them are even below the poverty line, who cannot even have the subsistence level of income to live. We, the middle class people work hard to earn our living. We travel by bus ad train. We don't have any car. We don't have any luxuries in life, we just have full meal a day, give our children education and our whole lives go away in these thoughts. There are a few rich people here, who have lots of money in their hands. They have lots of luxuries. Skyscrapers and colonies exist side by side. A rich man's car passes away and a poor man who lives in footpath looks at it. This is India, full of dualities.

              But still, this is my country. I love to be here. i love to work here . I love to be called one of these crores of ordinary Indian people. I love to walk in a rally with slogans against the corrupt system. i love to fight for the rights of millions of workers. i love to go to the basties and tell the illiterate women that they should be united, they should fight against all the tortures of the male members of their houses. I feel myself privileged to get a proper education in this poor country. I love to go to the night colleges and educate the poor and meritorious students. i love to do whatever small thing i can do for my country , for my people. I feel proud to be in India. I feel proud to be one of these people. I hate the mentalities of the people who want to go abroad only to have some luxuries in life and forget their own country and forget that this county has spent crores of rupees to educate them and make them qualified for those foreign jobs. I hate those people who get education from this country and then dump this country and go to abroad for earning more and more money.. I am extremely happy to be here. I am happy with these buses and trains, with these loadsheddings, with all those small problems we face merely to exist. I was, am and always will be one of the millions of ordinary Indians.

 (Sorry if i have hurt anybody's sentiment. because this is only my personal view.)

Beautifully said Rumi. Clap Your post was definitely chicken soup for my soul! Approve It was really touching! Smile

You know... many Americans too leave America to go live in India. Believe it or not .... I had this one English teacher who has a sister that lives in India and absolutely loves it there! Every time she comes to visit her family in America she always complains that she wants to go back to INDIA~ immediately!

I also used to know this one art/yoga teacher and her DREAM is to actually live in India and run a Yoga Clinic there. ^.^ She really loves anything that's has to do with India. Even her ex-boyfriend was Indian~!

Y'know America may have many things India doesn't have but one thing is for sure ... AMERICA certainly doesn't have the culture and respect India's people have. You'd be surprised at the amount of people I know that aren't even Indian that say that India is the land of culture and respect and that's the way every place should be.

So, what I'm saying is ... people in India may leave in search for a better life while at the same time~ people from America (who aren't even Indian) wish to leave America and move to India to lead a more peaceful and more spiritual life. They don't care if 70% of the population is poor and illiterate or 80% of them are even below the poverty line. Even with all the bad things India contains they still want to and choose to live there. And that's not an opinion ... that's a fact!

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Posted: 06 July 2005 at 7:20am | IP Logged
Rumi, I admire your way or thinking and understand it's ur personal views. I however, disagree with some issues here (not all). You said, that "this country has spent crores of rupees to educate them and make them qualified for those foreign jobs" I think not only country but individual also spend thousands of money to get educated in this corrupted system. There are tons of seats for backward class, donation seats etc. Only way for us middle class to get into decent college is to have good percentage or money! And now everyone is not above average student. There are tons and tons of average students in India for whom country does not spend money. I am Indian and have been brought up in India and love being Indian. I am proud to be Indian too. I admire the culture and heritage of our country more than anything. However, I think if one desires for decent lifestyle (I am not saying luxurious) its nothing bad to move out for opportunity. If all Indians who live abroad would be in India right now job situation might have been worst and competition would have been intense. It's like individual, even though you think you are the best and dearest you have to acknowledge the truth and face it that your country probably does not have everything to offer you. Atleast I don't want to starve there looking for job everyday, trying to pay high donation for my children just to start with kindergarten on the other hand if I can get peace of mind, decent job, decent lifestyle why would I not choose that? Just 'coz I have to leave my motherland? I have left my own mother after I got married. That does not mean that I don't love and appreciate what my mother had done for me. That does not mean that my love for her is any less. All parents want their children to live the lifestyle if they worked so hard day night to educate them with saving money entire life. When they see their children having better lifestyle they really feel sense of achievement. Its just individual choice. Also, lots of family and friends residing in India have misconception of luxurious lifestyle of plp living outside India. Trust me, that's not true either. Yes, day to day living is comfortable compared to India. If middle class Indian cannot drive car, yes, in US you can drive car if you are middle class, but its not luxury it is necessity. If middle class Indian cannot own their own property in their lifespan (not talking about ancestral property) here plp have to pay mortgage all their life to have their property. We Indians who move away from their country have to start out life with $0.00 in our bank balance here. Still we struggle through social, language barrier, climate etc. and come out as a success. Because in India we have learnt to "leave beneath our means".

So to the main topic, there are prone and cons to leave in India and outside India. You are the one to pick where you live. I don't think either is good/bad it depends upon individual level of flexibility and desire. I think one should be open minded and try to be good human. Get good from all cultures. Our culture have lots of good think and even western culture have good things get them from both the cultures mix it and try to live better life. Where you live according to me does not matter its individual choice. However, Simi, I would suggest that just living in India for couple of weeks or months does not make you know all of India and lifestyle there. There are lots of American who wants to move to India as someone above told, and that is right. It just boils down to what you want from and in your life.
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Posted: 06 July 2005 at 8:06am | IP Logged

Originally posted by bgdesai

Rumi, I admire your way or thinking and understand it‚„s ur personal views. I however, disagree with some issues here (not all). You said, that ‚"this country has spent crores of rupees to educate them and make them qualified for those foreign jobs‚ I think not only country but individual also spend thousands of money to get educated in this corrupted system. There are tons of seats for backward class, donation seats etc. Only way for us middle class to get into decent college is to have good percentage or money! And now everyone is not above average student. There are tons and tons of average students in India for whom country does not spend money. I am Indian and have been brought up in India and love being Indian. I am proud to be Indian too. I admire the culture and heritage of our country more than anything. However, I think if one desires for decent lifestyle (I am not saying luxurious) its nothing bad to move out for opportunity. If all Indians who live abroad would be in India right now job situation might have been worst and competition would have been intense. It‚„s like individual, even though you think you are the best and dearest you have to acknowledge the truth and face it that your country probably does not have everything to offer you. Atleast I don‚„t want to starve there looking for job everyday, trying to pay high donation for my children just to start with kindergarten on the other hand if I can get peace of mind, decent job, decent lifestyle why would I not choose that? Just ‚œcoz I have to leave my motherland? I have left my own mother after I got married. That does not mean that I don‚„t love and appreciate what my mother had done for me. That does not mean that my love for her is any less. All parents want their children to live the lifestyle if they worked so hard day night to educate them with saving money entire life. When they see their children having better lifestyle they really feel sense of achievement. Its just individual choice. Also, lots of family and friends residing in India have misconception of luxurious lifestyle of plp living outside India. Trust me, that‚„s not true either. Yes, day to day living is comfortable compared to India. If middle class Indian cannot drive car, yes, in US you can drive car if you are middle class, but its not luxury it is necessity. If middle class Indian cannot own their own property in their lifespan (not talking about ancestral property) here plp have to pay mortgage all their life to have their property. We Indians who move away from their country have to start out life with $0.00 in our bank balance here. Still we struggle through social, language barrier, climate etc. and come out as a success. Because in India we have learnt to ‚"leave beneath our means‚.

So to the main topic, there are prone and cons to leave in India and outside India. You are the one to pick where you live. I don‚„t think either is good/bad it depends upon individual level of flexibility and desire. I think one should be open minded and try to be good human. Get good from all cultures. Our culture have lots of good think and even western culture have good things get them from both the cultures mix it and try to live better life. Where you live according to me does not matter its individual choice. However, Simi, I would suggest that just living in India for couple of weeks or months does not make you know all of India and lifestyle there. There are lots of American who wants to move to India as someone above told, and that is right. It just boils down to what you want from and in your life.

LOL! i never said my country provides me everything which i need. but i said,inspite of the fact i will always stay here and fight for solving the problems.i know individuals also spend money for their education but have you ever thought what amount of money our country spends for those educational instituions fro where we get our education?have you ever thought that when these scientiists, engineers,MBA s go to abraoad to live a "decent " lifestyle all these expentidures of our country go wasted,because they do nothing for this country, they serve a foreign country. have you ever heard a word named"braindrain"?

 anyways,it depends on the outlook of individuals.some people may  be happy drivning a car and having some cash in hand in exchange of leaving own country. i never claimed that i am the best. in fact i am a loser like all our ordinary country people. but i said,i am happy the way i am living.i don't want to drive a car.i want to stand beside my poor country people and do what ever i can do for them . i want to stay here in the midst of all the problems. i know my country is not the best.but still i will go on fighting living here. off course you will do what you will think best.i have nothing to do with that.



Edited by Rumi - 06 July 2005 at 12:43pm
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Yes, Rumi, you never said that "your" or "our" country provides you with everything you need. But you did say that, "I hate the mentalities of the people who want to go abroad only to have some luxuries in life and forget their own country and forget that this county has spent crores of rupees to educate them and make them qualified for those foreign jobs. I hate those people who get education from this country and then dump this country and go to abroad for earning more and more money." I was just trying to say that not all people are out there for social service and not all are Shahrukh from Swadesh. As I said before I really admire your way of thinking and its really bold thinking. Not everyone is able to think and act the way you think or act. I am not that bold to think and act like you. Probably I am too selfish, for me and my family. Rather than considering whole India as my family like you do I am thinking about my neuclear family. However, I just wanted to bring the point that what is education? You get education so that you can have financial safety in future and also for your personal development. Does government that educate me (not to mention from money of the taxes our parents pay, income tax, state tax, fees, donations) give enough opportunity to me? With education you get wings to explore your horizon.

But not offense, here I really respect your way of thinking. But I personally think there is nothing wrong with settling abroad for different reasons… exploring other culture, tradition, country and ofcourse, better opportunity. I might be probably saying this to defend myself as being one of those. But these are my personal views. Tongue


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Posted: 06 July 2005 at 12:47pm | IP Logged
LOL! as i have already mentioned,we have two different ways of looking towards life.

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