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Posted: 17 July 2015 at 10:54am | IP Logged
Also dahlia initial  plan was to kill hayley and jackson. So atleast this way she is alive. I know you hate klaus and all but wasn't hayley the one who first decided to take Hope away from him. And she did so by having klaus daggered. When daggered the pain you suffer is also very high. So her deciding to take Hope away from klaus and torment him was right but his decision to do the same to her was wrong.

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Originally posted by Quixotic-Frenzy

I have stragically avoided threads such as this one  since i was yet to watch season 2 & i didnt want to read any spoilers here , but now that i am done with season 2 i decided to peek in here LOL .. and wow , it seems most TO viewers are pro-Klaus , so i definitely am in minority .. may be its the TVD effect , i straightaway started watching TO , so there's that to consider but i find Klaus an insufferable whiny maniac monster who deserves to suffer , whatever little to negligible soft spot i have for Klaus is bcoz of Micheal , what Micheal did was monstrous , something which turned Klaus into the insufferable monster that he is now , other than that there is no way that i could ever sympathize with Klaus .. its been over a 1000 yrs & he is still clinging on to his daddy issues - somebody should tell him its time to move on.. LOL .. i hate Elijah for not telling him that ..LOL ..Klaus has been coddled up for far too long .. good that Elijah has finally come to his senses & withdrew his support from this pathetic excuse for a brother ( however brief it may be LOL ) , i liked it .. Big smile

The season 2 climax - mixed feelings .. happy that hope was safe but the final scene with Klaus & Hope , where Klaus is reading her a bedtime story , i am sure that scene was meant to be a father-daughter reunion heart-warming scene , but it had the exact opposite effect on me , it was infuriating for me to watch Hope with him while Hope's mother is out there serving her punishment for ever daring to cross Klaus .. Dead .. i hope Hope grows up to hate Klaus ( highly unlikely ) , if not that Hope should somehow be separated from Klaus , that ought to teach him a lesson , well it wont , Klaus never learns his lessons , the only thing he will do is whine & then whine some more about how he is the one who was wronged 'always & forever'  Dead but at least i ll have my satisfaction of seeing a heartbroken Klaus when Hope is taken away from him , oh the sadistic me .. LOL

The points I agree with you Akash. 

Are i am pro klaus and even I hate him sometimes so I can understand you. 

Also klaus has major issues. He should move on from his daddy issues. It has been 1000 years it time to move on.

The rest well I can't agree with you especially klaus and hope should be separated. They are the only reason I watch the show now that the siblings are in a rift. 

 

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Nita, regarding Haley-Klaus-Jackson-Hope equation , this is my take  -

One thing i agree is , a pack of werewolves 'supposedly' providing protection to Hope even when the originals seemed to be failing to do so was just way too far fetched & stupid ..but the way i saw it - the originals were going after Dahlia one way or the other , doesnt matter if Hope was with them or with the werewolves - both werewolves and the originals had only best interests for Hope , nobody will try to kill her there - the way i perceived the plan is - the wolves run away from Dahlia while the originals run after Dahlia ... plus , Haley's argument of 'Hope inheriting her father's enemies' (Dahlia is just one , i am sure there are more to come ) made perfect sense to me .. its true Klaus can provide stronger protection but it comes at a price - more enemies to deal with .. so yeah , while the plan was not free of stupidity , it seemed OK to me .. 

However , the major/ most prominent reason for me to approve of this plan was - the way Klaus treated Jackson & his pack .. absof**kinlutely  disgusting ! Dead.. it is not ok to treat them as worthless minions .. and i am sure this had a major role to play in Haley-Jackson's decision to take off with Hope ..  you see , the fact is Haley & Jackson are married now , it is not fair for Jackson to put himself in such a pitiful position & it is not fair to expect Haley to be OK with it , Haley tried to reason with klaus - it didnt  work.. all of this could have been avoided , had Klaus understood/known something called 'empathy' & the value of relationships & how it alters people's lives & how one cannot expect everybody to just play the king's servant catering to the king's happiness 24*7 - the basic rules of conduct are applicable to everyone - the king is not an exception .. 

As for the injustice of Hope being taken away from Klaus , the insensitive selfish  brat that he is , he deserves every f**kin bit of it , in fact i am hoping that somehow Hope gets taken away from him , i know this won't teach him anything instead it will only make the poor-victimized-unforgiving-whiny klaus even more vengeful but at least some of us will have the satisfaction of seeing him suffer if nothing else.. LOL.. and yes , seeing him daggered was indeed a sight for sore eyes .. Star LOL .. he sure can to go to the lengths of enduring pain if his happiness is at stake , others be damned .. LOL  .. and to see him peacefully sitting with Hope & reading her a bed time story , enjoying the moment  while the mother of the child is out there serving the punishment bestowed upon her by the mighty Klaus was infuriating to say the least , about Dahlia planning to kill Haley & Klaus actually saving her from being dead is (like Elijah said) just bullshit ! LOL.. he was just taking his personal revenge -thats all .. as if he couldnt make the plan look convincing without that bit .. LOL .. he could have done without it if he wanted to .. he didnt hurt Camille, now did he ? - his happiness .. he made Elijah & Haley suffer - his happiness .. 

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Okay here we go. LOL
I get it all the good guys have suffered way more than they deserve from the hands of klaus the cruel. Jackson did not deserve to be treated like that, davina should not have lost her first love and second love,  hayley should have been left to live her new married life in peace. 

Having said that my problem is not with the good guys being good buy good guys thinking they are powerful than a 1000 year old vampire and 1000 year old witch.

Okay running away from dahlia let suppose klaus went on with his plan since hope safety was a priority and killed her then what do you expect him to do next. Live his life forgetting his daughter just because he has more enemies than hayley. Hope is still his daughter and I don't think it okay to say since klaus has more enemies jackson can bring up hope as his daughter.

But the one thing you failed to remember is dahlia is not klaus enemy. She is Hope enemy. It was not because of klaus it was because if the dumb promise esther made. So if the situation were reversed and elijah was the one who is hope father. Eventhen dahlia would have targeted the mikaelsons. So saying it klaus fault is frankly not right.

Also hayley didn't think of the consequences,  her plan was to run away leaving klaus. But when the target is one the run do you think dahlia will stay here and fight with klaus. No way she would have went after hayley and not klaus. 

So without any protection for hope. No witch to cloak them atleast for a while. No place protected from magic,  they just left believing in their strength and that plain stupid.

And the most important reason why I hate hayley and jackson is because they think way to high of themselves. There strength and power. 

How was the scene when they were planning which city to live like they are some new married couple choosing to leave the city at leisure than out of necessity. Also on what world would it be okay for hayley to leave hope to an old grandma who can barely stand and go to save her jackson, jackson possess the same level of power as her and so are all the other werewolves with him so what difference will it make for her to go there . Shouldn't her priority be running away with the child to keep it safe.




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Originally posted by NitaMikealson

Okay here we go. LOL
I get it all the good guys have suffered way more than they deserve from the hands of klaus the cruel. Jackson did not deserve to be treated like that, davina should not have lost her first love and second love,  hayley should have been left to live her new married life in peace. 

Having said that my problem is not with the good guys being good buy good guys thinking they are powerful than a 1000 year old vampire and 1000 year old witch.

Okay running away from dahlia let suppose klaus went on with his plan since hope safety was a priority and killed her then what do you expect him to do next. Live his life forgetting his daughter just because he has more enemies than hayley. Hope is still his daughter and I don't think it okay to say since klaus has more enemies jackson can bring up hope as his daughter.

You forgot one thing though - Jackson & Haley already gave in to Klaus , they never took Hope away from Klaus , it was Klaus who took everything for granted without even so much of thought given to his own actions , in fact Jackson moved in with the originals for that reason alone - for Hope to be with her father- Klaus & the protection for Hope to be stronger .. but it was Klaus who forced Haley & Jackson to take such a decision .. no amount of reasoning by Haley helped Klaus to mend his ways , they were left with no other option - courtesy - Klaus.. 

As far as compromising Hope's protection is concerned , i already gave you my take on the plan.. whatever risk was associated with it , it was better to take it & stand by the honor-pride of the pack-family than let Klaus abuse & undermine them like worthless minions .. after all Hope too is  family , everybody was willing to die before anyone attempts to harm Hope & thats what counts .. the other options were explored , it didnt work .. 

Moreover , this whole "estranged parents trying to raise a child together" is not an alien-unknown-supernatural phenomenon .. it happens even in the real world .. the solution ain't a rocket science either .. nobody asked Klaus to forget his own daughter & let her have a new family without him being a part of it .. Klaus could have had it all simply by talking to Haley & Jackson - these are the same people who moved in with Klaus after getting married , do you think they would have denied him his rights as a father ? .. funny , how compromises should never be expected from Klaus but sacrifices should be expected from others & if they fail to do so , they should be punished .. 

But the one thing you failed to remember is dahlia is not klaus enemy. She is Hope enemy. It was not because of klaus it was because if the dumb promise esther made. So if the situation were reversed and elijah was the one who is hope father. Eventhen dahlia would have targeted the mikaelsons. So saying it klaus fault is frankly not right.

No, Dahlia wasnt Klaus' fault , it only had everything to do with Hope being a Michealson .. i never said Elijah fathering the child would have stopped Dahlia , simply that Hope is better off not being a Michealson .. moreover, with Klaus's own nature , he is bound to gift Hope many more enemies ..   

Also hayley didn't think of the consequences,  her plan was to run away leaving klaus. But when the target is one the run do you think dahlia will stay here and fight with klaus. No way she would have went after hayley and not klaus. 

So without any protection for hope. No witch to cloak them atleast for a while. No place protected from magic,  they just left believing in their strength and that plain stupid.

See , the target was of course Hope - but the catch is , both the originals & the wolves would die before any harm would come upon Hope .. yes Dahlia wouldnt stay to fight with Klaus when the target is elsewhere , but the entire point was - Originals catch up with Dahlia before she reaches Hope , and if she did , the wolves would do their best & die .. as far as , 'no place protected from magic' is concerned , i happen to know for a fact  that  when Dahlia finally got to Hope & took her blood , the baby was in a bassinet in the Michealson mansion .. 

And the most important reason why I hate hayley and jackson is because they think way to high of themselves. There strength and power. 

How was the scene when they were planning which city to live like they are some new married couple choosing to leave the city at leisure than out of necessity. 

And that is precisely the reason why i respect Haley & Jackson .. they explored every possible option , they even moved in with Klaus .. when Klaus mistreated their family , they tried reasoning to the best of their ability - it didnt work .. so they chose to take the risk rather than turn into Klaus's minions , a quality i find worth respecting becoz it is not arrogance , it is pride .. had Haley & Jackson taken off without even attempting to reason with Klaus , i would have hated them coz then it would come off as arrogance.. but they did everything they could .. finally decided to take the risk .. honestly , i was pissed with Haley when she slept with Elijah , however , after her marriage , when she stood by her husband & her pack , all that dislike turned into respect .. 

What makes Haley a good mother is that she did not give in to the risky decision easily , she tried every possible option before taking the risk ; what makes her a good wife & a leader is that she did not let the dignity & pride of her husband & her pack suffer at the hands of Klaus .. all in all , a risk worth taking and if anything were to happen to Hope in the process , it would have been unfortunate - thats all ..  

EDITED : Also on what world would it be okay for hayley to leave hope to an old grandma who can barely stand and go to save her jackson, jackson possess the same level of power as her and so are all the other werewolves with him so what difference will it make for her to go there . Shouldn't her priority be running away with the child to keep it safe.

Yeah that bit was a little weird ..  LOL ..but until now I thought the wolves only inherited her ability to transform at will , i didnt know they inherited all her hybrid-vampire strength .. Ermm  


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Originally posted by Quixotic-Frenzy

Originally posted by NitaMikealson

Okay here we go. LOL
I get it all the good guys have suffered way more than they deserve from the hands of klaus the cruel. Jackson did not deserve to be treated like that, davina should not have lost her first love and second love,  hayley should have been left to live her new married life in peace. 

Having said that my problem is not with the good guys being good buy good guys thinking they are powerful than a 1000 year old vampire and 1000 year old witch.

Okay running away from dahlia let suppose klaus went on with his plan since hope safety was a priority and killed her then what do you expect him to do next. Live his life forgetting his daughter just because he has more enemies than hayley. Hope is still his daughter and I don't think it okay to say since klaus has more enemies jackson can bring up hope as his daughter.

You forgot one thing though - Jackson & Haley already gave in to Klaus , they never took Hope away from Klaus , it was Klaus who took everything for granted without even so much of thought given to his own actions , in fact Jackson moved in with the originals for that reason alone - for Hope to be with her father- Klaus & the protection for Hope to be stronger .. but it was Klaus who forced Haley & Jackson to take such a decision .. no amount of reasoning by Haley helped Klaus to mend his ways , they were left with no other option - courtesy - Klaus..  

As far as compromising Hope's protection is concerned , i already gave you my take on the plan.. whatever risk was associated with it , it was better to take it & stand by the honor-pride of the pack-family than let Klaus abuse & undermine them like worthless minions .. after all Hope too is  family , everybody was willing to die before anyone attempts to harm Hope & thats what counts .. the other options were explored , it didnt work .. 

Moreover , this whole "estranged parents trying to raise a child together" is not an alien-unknown-supernatural phenomenon .. it happens even in the real world .. the solution ain't a rocket science either .. nobody asked Klaus to forget his own daughter & let her have a new family without him being a part of it .. Klaus could have had it all simply by talking to Haley & Jackson - these are the same people who moved in with Klaus after getting married , do you think they would have denied him his rights as a father ? .. funny , how compromises should never be expected from Klaus but sacrifices should be expected from others & if they fail to do so , they should be punished ..  okay i got it LOL, and i completely understand your justification , it makes sense too . but i just dont feel bad for jackson or hayley so i will never think from there pov Wink

But the one thing you failed to remember is dahlia is not klaus enemy. She is Hope enemy. It was not because of klaus it was because if the dumb promise esther made. So if the situation were reversed and elijah was the one who is hope father. Eventhen dahlia would have targeted the mikaelsons. So saying it klaus fault is frankly not right.

No, Dahlia wasnt Klaus' fault , it only had everything to do with Hope being a Michealson .. i never said Elijah fathering the child would have stopped Dahlia , simply that Hope is better off not being a Michealson .. moreover, with Klaus's own nature , he is bound to gift Hope many more enemies ..   okay yes hope is better off not being a mikaelson but apparently she is a mikaelson . so expecting klaus to just leave her daughter for her own good is not my cup of philosophy.since that would be just abandoning her and i like the possessive klaus then self sacrificing klaus for her own good. 

Also hayley didn't think of the consequences,  her plan was to run away leaving klaus. But when the target is one the run do you think dahlia will stay here and fight with klaus. No way she would have went after hayley and not klaus. 

So without any protection for hope. No witch to cloak them atleast for a while. No place protected from magic,  they just left believing in their strength and that plain stupid.

See , the target was of course Hope - but the catch is , both the originals & the wolves would die before any harm would come upon Hope .. yes Dahlia wouldnt stay to fight with Klaus when the target is elsewhere , but the entire point was - Originals catch up with Dahlia before she reaches Hope , and if she did , the wolves would do their best & die .. as far as , 'no place protected from magic' is concerned , i happen to know for a fact  that  when Dahlia finally got to Hope & took her blood , the baby was in a bassinet in the Michealson mansion .. yes the wolves would die for hope ,very brave and noble. but you seem to have completely forgot the fact hayley didnt say to the mikaelsons where she was going . she just decided to run away, so if both of them decide to track her at the same time who would reach first dahlia or freya. so if dahlia reached first and run away with hope .  there are many ways it could have played out so when your life is in danger do you entrust it with soldiers or peasants . just saying 

And the most important reason why I hate hayley and jackson is because they think way to high of themselves. There strength and power. 

How was the scene when they were planning which city to live like they are some new married couple choosing to leave the city at leisure than out of necessity. 

And that is precisely the reason why i respect Haley & Jackson .. they explored every possible option , they even moved in with Klaus .. when Klaus mistreated their family , they tried reasoning to the best of their ability - it didnt work .. so they chose to take the risk rather than turn into Klaus's minions , a quality i find worth respecting becoz it is not arrogance , it is pride .. had Haley & Jackson taken off without even attempting to reason with Klaus , i would have hated them coz then it would come off as arrogance.. but they did everything they could .. finally decided to take the risk .. honestly , i was pissed with Haley when she slept with Elijah , however , after her marriage , when she stood by her husband & her pack , all that dislike turned into respect .. 

What makes Haley a good mother is that she did not give in to the risky decision easily , she tried every possible option before taking the risk ; what makes her a good wife & a leader is that she did not let the dignity & pride of her husband & her pack suffer at the hands of Klaus .. all in all , a risk worth taking and if anything were to happen to Hope in the process , it would have been unfortunate - thats all ...no comment since i so not liking hayley this season. your point makes sense but it just that it differes from my pov .

EDITED : Also on what world would it be okay for hayley to leave hope to an old grandma who can barely stand and go to save her jackson, jackson possess the same level of power as her and so are all the other werewolves with him so what difference will it make for her to go there . Shouldn't her priority be running away with the child to keep it safe.

Yeah that bit was a little weird ..  LOL ..but until now I thought the wolves only inherited her ability to transform at will , i didnt know they inherited all her hybrid-vampire strength .. Ermm  nope they got all her super powers including speed, healing power and all LOL

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Also klaus might be a villian but hayely is no saint . she let 12 of her friends die to just obtain the info of who is her parents. so the haley we met in tvd is not the hayley we see in originals.

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Originally posted by NitaMikealson

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But the one thing you failed to remember is dahlia is not klaus enemy. She is Hope enemy. It was not because of klaus it was because if the dumb promise esther made. So if the situation were reversed and elijah was the one who is hope father. Eventhen dahlia would have targeted the mikaelsons. So saying it klaus fault is frankly not right.

No, Dahlia wasnt Klaus' fault , it only had everything to do with Hope being a Michealson .. i never said Elijah fathering the child would have stopped Dahlia , simply that Hope is better off not being a Michealson .. moreover, with Klaus's own nature , he is bound to gift Hope many more enemies ..   okay yes hope is better off not being a mikaelson but apparently she is a mikaelson . so expecting klaus to just leave her daughter for her own good is not my cup of philosophy.since that would be just abandoning her and i like the possessive klaus then self sacrificing klaus for her own good. 

Yes , Hope is a Mikaelson - Fact , Klaus is her father - Fact .. we cannot expect Klaus to just forget his daughter coz that would be utterly unfair - Fact .. but who expected Klaus to live without his daughter ? .. Did Klaus even talk to Haley & Jackson about it ? - No ! - Fact ! .. Klaus was just on his vengeance spree , nothing else mattered to him .. yes Haley-Jackson took off with Hope when Klaus was mistreating their family , but like I said before - these are the same people who moved in with Klaus after getting married so that he can be with his daughter , why on Earth would they deny Klaus his paternal rights ? .. the fact is , both Klaus & Jackson-Haley knew that Klaus shall continue to ill-treat the pack no matter what , no compromises whatsoever bcoz he is the f**king King & others are his servant !.. had Klaus even bothered to talk to Haley-Jackson about it , I am sure everything would have been different .. but no ! .. its either Klaus' way or the highway .. like i said before - ' estranged parents trying to raise a child together' is not an alien phenomenon .. the solution ain't a rocket science either.. but the fact remains that it is foolish to expect even reasonable compromises from Klaus , everybody else is required to make sacrifices for his happiness & should they fail to do so , they ought to be punished .. 

Also hayley didn't think of the consequences,  her plan was to run away leaving klaus. But when the target is one the run do you think dahlia will stay here and fight with klaus. No way she would have went after hayley and not klaus. 

So without any protection for hope. No witch to cloak them atleast for a while. No place protected from magic,  they just left believing in their strength and that plain stupid.

See , the target was of course Hope - but the catch is , both the originals & the wolves would die before any harm would come upon Hope .. yes Dahlia wouldnt stay to fight with Klaus when the target is elsewhere , but the entire point was - Originals catch up with Dahlia before she reaches Hope , and if she did , the wolves would do their best & die .. as far as , 'no place protected from magic' is concerned , i happen to know for a fact  that  when Dahlia finally got to Hope & took her blood , the baby was in a bassinet in the Michealson mansion .. yes the wolves would die for hope ,very brave and noble. but you seem to have completely forgot the fact hayley didnt say to the mikaelsons where she was going . she just decided to run away, so if both of them decide to track her at the same time who would reach first dahlia or freya. so if dahlia reached first and run away with hope .  there are many ways it could have played out so when your life is in danger do you entrust it with soldiers or peasants . just saying 

The bigger question is - were the soldiers even an available option ?.. was the option explored ? - yes ! .. did they try their best to work it out ? - yes ! .. did it work ? - No ! ... and whose fault was it ? - was it Haley-Jackson or Klaus ? .. who was responsible for it ? .. I would say my hatred for Klaus must be clouding my judgment when i blame him for it but look at the evidences & i am forced to think otherwise .. the so called 'soldier' here , had a condition to provide protection - ' I shall abuse your family in return for my services' .. now for Hope's sake , Haley-Jackson played along for a while , but there came a point where it was getting out of hand , so they tried to reason with the all mighty soldier , the soldier scoffed & they decided to take off , fully aware of the fact that they are inviting the wrath of a 1000 yr old original-hybrid vampire & that they must also fight with a 1000 yr old most powerful witch ... they weighed the pros & cons , it seemed reasonable to do so , even more so that the pissed vampire would never harm the baby even if he butchers the newly married couple ..

Back to the stupid plan by Haley-Jackson .. well of course , i agree that the plan was not without a major risk but the intentions & reasons behind this escape plan is what made me OK with it .. No Haley didnt tell the mikealsons about where she is taking off to but i would think the mikealsons would chase Dahlia & not the wolves knowing fully that the wolves wont harm Hope .. so 'get to Dahlia , end her , do not let her reach Hope' should have been their motto .. but like i said before , the plan was not without risk , it had tremendous risk associated with it , Klaus did not leave any other choice ..  


EDITED : Also on what world would it be okay for hayley to leave hope to an old grandma who can barely stand and go to save her jackson, jackson possess the same level of power as her and so are all the other werewolves with him so what difference will it make for her to go there . Shouldn't her priority be running away with the child to keep it safe.

Yeah that bit was a little weird ..  LOL ..but until now I thought the wolves only inherited her ability to transform at will , i didnt know they inherited all her hybrid-vampire strength .. Ermm  nope they got all her super powers including speed, healing power and all LOL

Well in that case it was indeed weird .. but on second thoughts , it might have been a strategy .. Dahlia would expect Haley to be with Hope , a grandma taking off with Hope might have seemed like an impossibility , hence the strategy .. moreover , Dahlia was already there butchering the wolf pack , so Haley's instant instinct might have been to face off the witch ( even if she ends up dead , in which case Klaus will have Hope for himself & protect her ) to see through the peril once & for all side by side with her husband & her pack ... 

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