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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 2:01pm | IP Logged
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For Point number..1

I am thinking about the Creative brain which made this track ?
Is this supposed to be a method to teach something to anyone ?

Like i said initially, in this track i did not like Jodha because her character lacked conviction. CV's had shown her succumbing under pressure , it was ok.
But i wanted to see some trials on her part..
She can succumb, i understand she is human, but i wanted to see, some INTELLIGENT move from her, before converting... Anyways, lets leave that, we discussed a lot about that.

Similarly what Jalal did now was not acceptable..
I do not agree that, JUST for TEACHING a lesson to his mother, you give the shock of DIVORCE to your wife...


For Point number..2

I want to know how many husbands agree with their wife, and become a "MURGA" ?
I have understood many kochey-koo scenes till now in JA, but today...what was that ?

Today it was such a BLOW when i saw Jalal speaking such things.

More than that, i did not like,
the expressions on Akbar's face, which depicted a helpless person, who was utterly confused, and was "ready to cry"..

How many husbands do like that. I Want to know. I want to meet the writerS now, who penned such dialogues. This is NR but still the CV's are using the name of someone who is not fit to be treated like this.

Anyways, i know, many might have enjoyed the "AkDha" scenes today as well, the episode was COMPLETELY about Jodha AND Akbar. Good chemistry is another thing, but i do not agree with this treatment..




abhay i have not been watching the show on regular basis, just catching up here and there..and to be honest i do not care what they show as of now, as we all know how much nonsense has been portrayed..and even the media is claiming it to be fiction and we all know how much of Akbar's personal life is show cased in any of the books written on him..as you yourself said once that not much is written about MUZ or even about their relationship..and as a matter of fact the majority of the books only focus on his political achievements!..he was a dignified personality whose most of the time was spent doing something meaningful and not playing games with females in the harem!

i am just disgusted and wish the show to end! i have nothing more to say!


Mandy,

I agree with you, as far as the state of this show is concerned. Since last few episodes, the creativity has touched abysimal levels. Also, i am disgusted with the kind of presentation of Akbar, happening here. Though, i normally, tolerate most of stuff, but certain things i can not, and today was one such bit. Last week i wrote about disappointment with Jodha (
Link of post) , today this is Akbar.!

Not only "Murga" but "Gadha" also, he said. And here i am thinking about the "brilliant writers" of Jodha Akbar who have "graced" this show, i don't know what they wanted to convey here by this bit. It was simply bland.!!

@Bold...I replied like that, but i said in comparison to Akbar, less is present about MUZ. But that applies to almost ALL the females in that era. Medieval chroniclers loathed to record about women. Mostly foreign travellers / traders recorded lot of things. Yes, most sources talk about Akbar's wars, etc. and less sources talk about the personal life or LIKES of Akbar. But, if the talk is about Akbar and MUZ, then i wold say, for me beyond doubt, there are certain things, considering which the show was started on story of Jodha and Akbar with proper NR, though lately both of them have suffered good deal of damage.

Infact, if i compare MUZ with Mumtaz Mahal, MUZ has a lot of things written about her compared to Mumtaz. Still, just because of ONE Taj, people admire Mumtaz and Shah Jahan a lot, though even here there are many conflicting views.

Previously also, there have been shows on Doordarshan, which talk about Jodha and AKbar. Jodha of Akbar Khan's , Akbar the GREAT was so dignified. Even the Nur jahan serial had shown an AGED OLD Akbar romancing Jodha, well in his 50's when Jahangir was grown up. There, the Akbar was so perfect, for me the best portrayal of Akbar was in Nur jahan serial. Jodha's name has always been there with Akbar, even before this movie or serial, or in folklore, or in some travel accounts. Even, a contemporary text(1611) mentions her as a fav. Sultana of Akbar.{I have claiming only those things which i have posted after scanning, on my blog} There is NO doubt for me as far as JA are concerned.

BTW, show is not ending any time soon. I have been writing this for over 3 months. The show is going to continue, as per the info i have till now. So, i guess all here need to brace up for MORE, which is still to come...


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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 2:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by history_geek

Originally posted by ghalibmirza

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For Point number..1

I am thinking about the Creative brain which made this track ?
Is this supposed to be a method to teach something to anyone ?

Like i said initially, in this track i did not like Jodha because her character lacked conviction. CV's had shown her succumbing under pressure , it was ok.
But i wanted to see some trials on her part..
She can succumb, i understand she is human, but i wanted to see, some INTELLIGENT move from her, before converting... Anyways, lets leave that, we discussed a lot about that.

Similarly what Jalal did now was not acceptable..
I do not agree that, JUST for TEACHING a lesson to his mother, you give the shock of DIVORCE to your wife...


For Point number..2

I want to know how many husbands agree with their wife, and become a "MURGA" ?
I have understood many kochey-koo scenes till now in JA, but today...what was that ?

Today it was such a BLOW when i saw Jalal speaking such things.

More than that, i did not like,
the expressions on Akbar's face, which depicted a helpless person, who was utterly confused, and was "ready to cry"..

How many husbands do like that. I Want to know. I want to meet the writerS now, who penned such dialogues. This is NR but still the CV's are using the name of someone who is not fit to be treated like this.

Anyways, i know, many might have enjoyed the "AkDha" scenes today as well, the episode was COMPLETELY about Jodha AND Akbar. Good chemistry is another thing, but i do not agree with this treatment..




abhay i have not been watching the show on regular basis, just catching up here and there..and to be honest i do not care what they show as of now, as we all know how much nonsense has been portrayed..and even the media is claiming it to be fiction and we all know how much of Akbar's personal life is show cased in any of the books written on him..as you yourself said once that not much is written about MUZ or even about their relationship..and as a matter of fact the majority of the books only focus on his political achievements!..he was a dignified personality whose most of the time was spent doing something meaningful and not playing games with females in the harem!

i am just disgusted and wish the show to end! i have nothing more to say!


Mandy,

I agree with you, as far as the state of this show is concerned. Since last few episodes, the creativity has touched abysimal levels. Also, i am disgusted with the kind of presentation of Akbar, happening here. Though, i normally, tolerate most of stuff, but certain things i can not, and today was one such bit. Last week i wrote about disappointment with Jodha (
Link of post) , today this is Akbar.!

Not only "Murga" but "Gadha" also, he said. And here i am thinking about the "brilliant writers" of Jodha Akbar who have "graced" this show, i don't know what they wanted to convey here by this bit. It was simply bland.!!

@Bold...I replied like that, but i said in comparison to Akbar, less is present about MUZ. But that applies to almost ALL the females in that era. Medieval chroniclers loathed to record about women. Mostly foreign travellers / traders recorded lot of things. Yes, most sources talk about Akbar's wars, etc. and less sources talk about the personal life or LIKES of Akbar. But, if the talk is about Akbar and MUZ, then i wold say, for me beyond doubt, there are certain things, considering which the show was started on story of Jodha and Akbar with proper NR, though lately both of them have suffered good deal of damage.

Infact, if i compare MUZ with Mumtaz Mahal, MUZ has a lot of things written about her compared to Mumtaz. Still, just because of ONE Taj, people admire Mumtaz and Shah Jahan a lot, though even here there are many conflicting views.

Previously also, there have been shows on Doordarshan, which talk about Jodha and AKbar. Jodha of Akbar Khan's , Akbar the GREAT was so dignified. Even the Nur jahan serial had shown an AGED OLD Akbar romancing Jodha, well in his 50's when Jahangir was grown up. There, the Akbar was so perfect, for me the best portrayal of Akbar was in Nur jahan serial. Jodha's name has always been there with Akbar, even before this movie or serial, or in folklore, or in some travel accounts. Even, a contemporary text(1611) mentions her as a fav. Sultana of Akbar.{I have claiming only those things which i have posted after scanning, on my blog} There is NO doubt for me as far as JA are concerned.

BTW, show is not ending any time soon. I have been writing this for over 3 months. The show is going to continue, as per the info i have till now. So, i guess all here need to brace up for MORE, which is still to come...




Well written Abhay...StarStar

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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 2:30pm | IP Logged
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Thanks for the update Abhay.

Jodha being bullied and emotionally manipulated, by a stubborn, unreasonable, unrelenting Hamida Begum was bad enough. Jalal declaring divorce (albeit acting it out) to the love of his life, just because she was disobedient to him, was even worse. The uncovering of Jalal's 'acting', to nail his mother, was not in the least bit convincing.

Jalal's portrayal today, was the height of insult to the historical character of Akbar. I completely and fully agree with your thoughts listed in point nos 2, of your feedback. Their patching-up scene was utter nonsense and I did not for a second find it cute. I know that many reading this post will be disappointed with my feedback. I cannot digest the idea of Jalal taking Jodha for granted and declaring divorce, nor can I tolerate seeing the Shehenshah begging and pleading with her to forgive him. This is no way to portray a royal couple. This is a historical and not one of EK's tear jerker Prime time soap.

Introducing a negative supernatural element into the storyline, is only worsening the plot that is steadily going downhill.



Wonderful, precise and hard hitting post Charu. The writers need to be publically humilated on some news channel for this crap! Its time Ekta Kapoor was held accountable for this!



 
Thank you Preeti, for understanding my view points. Smile 

Irrespective of the credibility of the existence of Jodha Bai/Harka Bai/Heer Kunwar, I simply love their characters and the personality of MUZ who it has been established was the hindu queen of Akbar and Salim's mother. A distinguished lady of high repute, who commanded immense respect in the Imperial harem. Akbar is my all time favorite king , as along as I care to remember. Rajat Tokas has excelled as Jallaluddin Mohammad and Paridhi Sharma has breathed life into the character of Jodha.

Both these royals are a part of India's heritage, they are not present here to prove their identities or achievements anymore, that does not mean their personalities can be treated with disrespect and indignity on television. 

I remember visiting Akbar's tomb at Sikandara, a few years back, the moment I went near his grave, it was automatically a feeling of reverence towards one of the greatest rulers of India. What a magnificent structure his tomb is. I was totally in awe of this wonderful Shehenshah and also the mausoleum built in his honor that has done complete justice to his personality. To be honest, Akbar's tomb was more appealing to me than the Taj Mahal. 

When I see his personality being belittled, the way it was done today, I find it very hard to pardon the people who misuse the power of the television medium to make a joke of the precious historical characters of their own soil. What kind of natakiya roopantar did this track show? A deplorable one. 

 The same goes with Jodha's personality too. The manner in which she has been portrayed via NR, is anything but praiseworthy. Until May of last year, the dramatization, even though faulty was still tolerable. Following that, it has been one character assasination after the other. Today's episode was the icing on the cake with regards to everyone taking Jodha for granted, her filmy avatar in kissing and saluting Mariam Makani's earrings, Hamida Begum suddenly asking for an apology and realizing that Jodha is her beti,Shocked , best of all scolding Jalal about hurting her feelings with the 'talaq' and ordering Jalal to  run after Jodha and manaofy her to forgive him.Shocked Shocked What was all that drama for? If Jalal announcing talaq is wrong for HB, then why did she put Jodha through hell herself? Is Jodha an inanimate object to be tossed around and played with alternately by mother and son? Why didn't MM put her practical experiences in life to good use while dealing with the religious issue.? Is announcing 'talaq' to a begum, any method of proving a point or correcting a matriarch's unacceptable behavior.? What position does that queen have in the emperor's life? Is this how soul-mates treat each other? Shocked 


 Not only Jallaludin Mohammads, Jodha or Hamida Begum alone, the characters of Gulbadan Begum Rukaiyya's to a great extent, Bakshi Bano's have also not been treated with the dignity befitting nobility. There is a certain refinement that needs to be maintained while handling a negative character such as Rukaiyya's. She resembles a regular vamp from one of EK's soaps. Downright, mean, nasty and crass.


I do not want my opinions on the insensitive and disrespectful handling the characters, by the Creatives to be misconstrued as dislike for the main leads. I love both Pari and RT . The two of them are only doing their jobs. It is EK that I'm fuming at.


This post may very well be my last one. Instead of subjecting myself to utter rubbish in the form of NR and beating myself up, its better I take a clean break, once for all. I have lost all my limits of tolerance. 




Edited by Charu.S - 11 May 2015 at 7:47pm

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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 4:04pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by Charu.S

Thanks for the update Abhay.

Jodha being bullied and emotionally manipulated, by a stubborn, unreasonable, unrelenting Hamida Begum was bad enough. Jalal declaring divorce (albeit acting it out) to the love of his life, just because she was disobedient to him, was even worse. The uncovering of Jalal's 'acting', to nail his mother, was not in the least bit convincing.

Jalal's portrayal today, was the height of insult to the historical character of Akbar. I completely and fully agree with your thoughts listed in point nos 2, of your feedback. Their patching-up scene was utter nonsense and I did not for a second find it cute. I know that many reading this post will be disappointed with my feedback. I cannot digest the idea of Jalal taking Jodha for granted and declaring divorce, nor can I tolerate seeing the Shehenshah begging and pleading with her to forgive him. This is no way to portray a royal couple. This is a historical and not one of EK's tear jerker Prime time soap.

Introducing a negative supernatural element into the storyline, is only worsening the plot that is steadily going downhill.



Can't say more charu Clap

That's exactly y I didn't watch it tdy ... I can't take it any more , especially this insult /mockery of Real historical figures !!!

Moreover some witch to haunt us , to irritate us more Angry It's better to stick to only Wu's as of now Sleepy

Thank you Suganya.Smile

I even lost my appetite for lunch after watching today's episode. It was total bakwaas. The manner in which MM was shown changing her opinions and persona several times, over the past one week, has been unbearable. Today she turned goody, goody all over again. She even scolded Jalal for announcing 'Talaq' to Jodha, when she is fully aware about being the sole reason for it. Shocked Angry. What despicable NR is that ! 

As a part of the manaofying conversation, Jalal himself told Jodha that she could make him a 'murga'  or 'gadha' in private and not punish him in public. D'ohI wonder why Jodha never gets punished in private. 

I am ready to quit. I have been addicted to JA only because it is a historical and for the love of watching Paridhi and Rajat and mainly due to loyalty towards the show. Abhi kuch nahin bacha hai. All the addiction has vanished over the last three weeks.


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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 5:08pm | IP Logged
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Thank U for the lovely Update. Just watched the episode , as we guessed it was a Plan by Jalal to sort issues between Jodha anD MIL. Well as Jodha said the divorce option was an extreme..
any ways I am happy as all i well in the end. JJ scenes were cute and PS RT Nailed it.

I loved This Nakhre Waali Jodha...

Ruks - Was happy when Jalal was about to divorce and then was so happy with tears when she watched HB Jodha hug. I cannot understand this self centered character at all.

Abhay, loved your point - You did not want to spoil the Party so making a separate post..LOL
Yes, in this track I was not happy with the Portrayal of Jodha and also did not like the method that Jalal chose to sort the issue between HB and Jodha. Yes the Murgha part was a little too much. Still I felt Jalal was lucky to have sorted his issues with wife so fast, I dont think I would have compromised so easily if my husband is ready to divorce me on the drop of a hat. Big smile



Sindhu,
Not only "Murga" but "Gadha" part also was there.
I did not enjoy the banter today.

@Bold...I have already written this in my post...Copying again...>>

" Similarly what Jalal did now was not acceptable..
I do not agree that, JUST for TEACHING a lesson to his mother, you give the shock of DIVORCE to your wife..."





@blue: LOLLOLLOL I guess I missed this part..

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For Point number..1

I am thinking about the Creative brain which made this track ?
Is this supposed to be a method to teach something to anyone ?

Like i said initially, in this track i did not like Jodha because her character lacked conviction. CV's had shown her succumbing under pressure , it was ok.
But i wanted to see some trials on her part..
She can succumb, i understand she is human, but i wanted to see, some INTELLIGENT move from her, before converting... Anyways, lets leave that, we discussed a lot about that.

Similarly what Jalal did now was not acceptable..
I do not agree that, JUST for TEACHING a lesson to his mother, you give the shock of DIVORCE to your wife...


For Point number..2

I want to know how many husbands agree with their wife, and become a "MURGA" ?
I have understood many kochey-koo scenes till now in JA, but today...what was that ?

Today it was such a BLOW when i saw Jalal speaking such things.

More than that, i did not like,
the expressions on Akbar's face, which depicted a helpless person, who was utterly confused, and was "ready to cry"..

How many husbands do like that. I Want to know. I want to meet the writerS now, who penned such dialogues. This is NR but still the CV's are using the name of someone who is not fit to be treated like this.

Anyways, i know, many might have enjoyed the "AkDha" scenes today as well, the episode was COMPLETELY about Jodha AND Akbar. Good chemistry is another thing, but i do not agree with this treatment..




abhay i have not been watching the show on regular basis, just catching up here and there..and to be honest i do not care what they show as of now, as we all know how much nonsense has been portrayed..and even the media is claiming it to be fiction and we all know how much of Akbar's personal life is show cased in any of the books written on him..as you yourself said once that not much is written about MUZ or even about their relationship..and as a matter of fact the majority of the books only focus on his political achievements!..he was a dignified personality whose most of the time was spent doing something meaningful and not playing games with females in the harem!

i am just disgusted and wish the show to end! i have nothing more to say!


Mandy,

I agree with you, as far as the state of this show is concerned. Since last few episodes, the creativity has touched abysimal levels. Also, i am disgusted with the kind of presentation of Akbar, happening here. Though, i normally, tolerate most of stuff, but certain things i can not, and today was one such bit. Last week i wrote about disappointment with Jodha (
Link of post) , today this is Akbar.!

Not only "Murga" but "Gadha" also, he said. And here i am thinking about the "brilliant writers" of Jodha Akbar who have "graced" this show, i don't know what they wanted to convey here by this bit. It was simply bland.!!

@Bold...I replied like that, but i said in comparison to Akbar, less is present about MUZ. But that applies to almost ALL the females in that era. Medieval chroniclers loathed to record about women. Mostly foreign travellers / traders recorded lot of things. Yes, most sources talk about Akbar's wars, etc. and less sources talk about the personal life or LIKES of Akbar. But, if the talk is about Akbar and MUZ, then i wold say, for me beyond doubt, there are certain things, considering which the show was started on story of Jodha and Akbar with proper NR, though lately both of them have suffered good deal of damage.

Infact, if i compare MUZ with Mumtaz Mahal, MUZ has a lot of things written about her compared to Mumtaz. Still, just because of ONE Taj, people admire Mumtaz and Shah Jahan a lot, though even here there are many conflicting views.

Previously also, there have been shows on Doordarshan, which talk about Jodha and AKbar. Jodha of Akbar Khan's , Akbar the GREAT was so dignified. Even the Nur jahan serial had shown an AGED OLD Akbar romancing Jodha, well in his 50's when Jahangir was grown up. There, the Akbar was so perfect, for me the best portrayal of Akbar was in Nur jahan serial. Jodha's name has always been there with Akbar, even before this movie or serial, or in folklore, or in some travel accounts. Even, a contemporary text(1611) mentions her as a fav. Sultana of Akbar.{I have claiming only those things which i have posted after scanning, on my blog} There is NO doubt for me as far as JA are concerned.

BTW, show is not ending any time soon. I have been writing this for over 3 months. The show is going to continue, as per the info i have till now. So, i guess all here need to brace up for MORE, which is still to come...




abhay, i just watched Akbar the great in bits and pieces, although it is painstakingly slow still it is logical and believable, in the show Akbar's greatness is only his and no credit given to his begums, and also his love for jodha is shown in an interesting way but what i liked the most is jodha's portrayal, she is shown intelligent and saintly at the same time, she knows what she is talking about and she knows how to win akbar's heart..salima's portrayal is also very good but not much of ruk..in ekta's JA Akbar's character is butchered the most and the tracks are so illogical that one finds hard to connect any incident with history!

abhay, i am reading feast of roses and before that i read the twentieth wife..indu has so beautifully weaved the historical facts into fiction that one cannot stop reading and applauding for such intelligent narration! i am thoroughly enjoying the mughal era history through indu's eyes and how i wish the same could happen with ekta's show where we all enjoy the love story of both jodha and akbar through ekta's eyes..but its too late to repair the cut so deep..ekta has disturbed the sentiments of many Akbar lovers like me who wanted to this dignified personality in a royal and majestic way where all the NRs should have been logical and in sync with the historical facts...but alas!

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i liked today epi it was excellent yes it may be childhish but they showed it to entertain viewers and many liked it including me to show how much jodha and jalal r involved in eachother they may have showed it .I m watching the show for akdha i enjoyed jodha shouting at jalal what expression and dialogue delivery they act like real husband and wife sorry if i hurt anyone when akdha r shown together instead of always complaining we should enjoy and support so that our show continue  instead of watching crying and separation this is better even if its childhish lastly enjoyed the expressions and dialogue delivery of jodha esp and jalal expression.

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Thanks for the update Abhay.

Jodha being bullied and emotionally manipulated, by a stubborn, unreasonable, unrelenting Hamida Begum was bad enough. Jalal declaring divorce (albeit acting it out) to the love of his life, just because she was disobedient to him, was even worse. The uncovering of Jalal's 'acting', to nail his mother, was not in the least bit convincing.

Jalal's portrayal today, was the height of insult to the historical character of Akbar. I completely and fully agree with your thoughts listed in point nos 2, of your feedback. Their patching-up scene was utter nonsense and I did not for a second find it cute. I know that many reading this post will be disappointed with my feedback. I cannot digest the idea of Jalal taking Jodha for granted and declaring divorce, nor can I tolerate seeing the Shehenshah begging and pleading with her to forgive him. This is no way to portray a royal couple. This is a historical and not one of EK's tear jerker Prime time soap.

Introducing a negative supernatural element into the storyline, is only worsening the plot that is steadily going downhill.



Can't say more charu Clap

That's exactly y I didn't watch it tdy ... I can't take it any more , especially this insult /mockery of Real historical figures !!!

Moreover some witch to haunt us , to irritate us more Angry It's better to stick to only Wu's as of now Sleepy


Thank you Suganya.Smile

I even lost my appetite for lunch after watching today's episode. It was total bakwaas. The manner in which MM was shown changing her opinions and persona several times, over the past one week, has been unbearable. Today she turned goody, goody all over again. She even scolded Jalal for announcing 'Talaq' to Jodha, when she is fully aware about being the sole reason for it.ShockedAngry. What despicable NR is that !

As a part of the manaofying conversation, Jalal himself told Jodha that she could make him a 'murga' or 'gadha' in private and not punish him in public.D'ohI wonder why Jodha never gets punished in private.

I am ready to quit. I have been addicted to JA only because it is a historical and for the love of watching Paridhi and Rajat and mainly due to loyalty towards the show. Abhi kuch nahin bacha hai. All the addiction has vanished over the last three weeks.




Charu Smile

Ur on " banging ur head on wall mode " I guess , believe me I m no less than that Ouch
Every point of urs reflect my mood on the show now ... It was of becoz of that loyalty , I stepped into the serial again from god track but now its too intolerable for me Sleepy So just sticking to Wu's , as to see wat happens next !!!

      If at all , they show some history within tolerable range of NR .. I would watch it ONLINE n will skip the unnecessary scenes to preserve my sanity Sleepy

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