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Posted: 13 May 2015 at 1:41pm | IP Logged
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You seem very interested in MB. If you want to join us in our writing venture, there is a link on page 2 of this thread
 
Thanks. I did see. Interesting venture you've taken up. Wishing you good luck. But, at present I have to deny. Not getting much time to write though I keep searching for info while watching shows. Also, I am already busy with various things in the IPK forum. So will have to pass this time. Thanks again. :-)

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Posted: 13 May 2015 at 11:51pm | IP Logged
"yadi mere vash mein hota toh main bhu-lok mein bhi tumse kabhi nahi milta"
Vidura is 100% done with DuriROFL


It was a good episode & I liked & agreed with most of what Vidura said. He was one man who followed Dharma in its true spirit & not just word.

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Posted: 14 May 2015 at 3:02am | IP Logged
he was right, whatever positive qualities dury had possesed, dury was mostly a balloon full of hot air. vidur was the most noble charecter of mahabharat.

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Posted: 14 May 2015 at 4:05am | IP Logged
today is vyasa's day, aaj woh kathgare mein khade honge, draupadi ko kaise smaran kia jaaega yeh uskaa prashna thaa. mera uttar hain unko, ek aisi udaaharan ke rup mein, jo sadaa smaran karvaayegi ke agar tum stri kaa apamaan karoge yaa agar tum use apamaan hote huye dekhkar bhi maun rahoge toh tumhaari durdashaa bhi kurukul ke samaan hogi.

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Posted: 14 May 2015 at 5:22am | IP Logged
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Finally saw Karna part 2. Just as I expected, nothing unusual. It is true that Karna lied to Parasurama to become his disciple, which was very wrong, but the gurus',  Drona and Parasurama's condition to teach only to limited students was unfair. A reason why Karna had to utter false facts. But makes me wonder, weren't there any other gurus at that time who could teach dhanur vidya? And again, not everyone can be an Ekalavya, just as not everyone is comfortable doing correspondence courses. Some like Karna, need practical, classroom sessions. So, just like he kept saying, wo aur akhir kya karta? 

And he is let off easily for saying all those things against the Pandavas and Draupadi. Even if he was on Duryodhan's side, he could have stopped himself from joining his mocking pals. 

Next is Vidur, wonder for 1 or 2 episodes. 


Agree with you on the second part. But Karna DID get education from Drona. It is a wrong conception that Drona rejected Karna because he was a Suta. It is only the Brahmastra knowledge that Drona refused to give Karna because Karna proudly revealed that he wanted the Brahmastra only to kill Arjuna. Well, that is definitely not a suitable reason for you to get such knowledge. Imagine asking the principal to make you a department head just because you want to make another classmate jealous.
And regarding Parashuram, well in Dwapar Yug caste was important. And also just because he wanted knowledge (that too for killing Arjuna god knows why) lieng to a teacher is not acceptable.
 
Hmm, I agree. Caste was a big thing those days and they used to follow rules strictly. But I am wondering when exactly Drona taught Karna? After he became Angraj or before that?  Agree about Brahmastra though, that was his aim eventually. 

There is a lot to Karna which I felt wasn't put forth in the two episodes. There were about 3 to 6 curses which all came true during the time of his death. So, I have been reading what the online sites have been saying. As per wiki, Arjuna killed Karna's son by mistake during the war that ensued post Swayamvar between the Pandavas disguised as Brahmins and the other kings attending the swayamvar. That's why Karna wanted to kill him. Also, he wanted to prove that Arjuna's claims of being the sarvoccha dhanurdhar are false. 

Talking of swayamvar reminds me about the rumoured story that Draupadi loved Karna. Found an interesting discussion about it on this page. 



Managed to catch the last few moments of the Vidur episode. Coming up next is Ved Vyas, the author of Mahabharata. 


no no pls, draupadi never loved karnaAngry. there were detailed discussions about this in the MB forum, if u ever visited. this drau karna angle is imagination of modern day authors, whp think if she can 5 husbands why not 6th. 
besides, how can a self respecting women have romantic feelings for a man who called her a wh**e and suggested her public disrobing?urghhh

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ok, so danveer karn is absolved of all arrops and is given a clean chit.
well done.Clap the makers of DK have even left behind starbharat in whitewashing the tragic hero.
i hope even my panchali and p's were given this courtesy... instead there were accused of things they didn't even do... wth.
of all the characters in our indian mythos, karna is the most whitewashed one and has been completely converted from almost negative/grey shaded character to almost positive one by these tv serials for god knows what reason... lucky guy.





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Posted: 14 May 2015 at 5:56am | IP Logged
Originally posted by indianprincess

ok, so danveer karn is absolved of all arrops and is given a clean chit.
well done.Clap the makers of DK have even left behind starbharat in whitewashing the tragic hero.
i hope even my panchali and p's were given this courtesy... instead there were accused of things they didn't even do... wth.
of all the characters in our indian mythos, karna is the most whitewashed one and has been completely converted from almost negative/grey shaded character to almost positive one by these tv serials for god knows what reason... lucky guy.
 
The caste factor really works in his favour, thats  why
 
Sutas were called 'Charana' in PRC's regime and his right hand man Chand Bardai was Suta/Charana and he was treated as good as a Brahmin and Sutas/charanas in the societal hierarchy were above the temple priests . Sutas in Mbh multitasked - they maintained history books of kings/kingdoms, they were story tellers and warriors; the other Sutas viz., Kekayas (Keechaka) and even war narrator Sanjay was a warrior and Sanjay actually fought from Kaurava side  the last day and was nearly killed by Satyaki .
As far as Karna is concerned, we don't even get to read if he ever held the reins of anybody's chariot let alone his own.  when he came of age , his father put him under tutelage of Dronacharya. He, his brothers were all warriors , his sons and grandsons too fought on Kaurava side   
The abandonment part is ofcourse  a sad thing in his life but the positive part is he found loving parents and which parents sacrifice their other children in war for sake their foster son?

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Posted: 14 May 2015 at 6:08am | IP Logged
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Originally posted by indianprincess

ok, so danveer karn is absolved of all arrops and is given a clean chit.
well done.Clap the makers of DK have even left behind starbharat in whitewashing the tragic hero.
i hope even my panchali and p's were given this courtesy... instead there were accused of things they didn't even do... wth.
of all the characters in our indian mythos, karna is the most whitewashed one and has been completely converted from almost negative/grey shaded character to almost positive one by these tv serials for god knows what reason... lucky guy.
 
The caste factor really works in his favour, thats  why
 
Sutas were called 'Charana' in PRC's regime and his right hand man Chand Bardai was Suta/Charana and he was treated as good as a Brahmin and Sutas/charanas in the societal hierarchy were above the temple priests . Sutas in Mbh multitasked - they maintained history books of kings/kingdoms, they were story tellers and warriors; the other Sutas viz., Kekayas (Keechaka) and even war narrator Sanjay was a warrior and Sanjay actually fought from Kaurava side  the last day and was nearly killed by Satyaki .
As far as Karna is concerned, we don't even get to read if he ever held the reins of anybody's chariot let alone his own.  when he came of age , his father put him under tutelage of Dronacharya. He, his brothers were all warriors , his sons and grandsons too fought on Kaurava side   
The abandonment part is ofcourse  a sad thing in his life but the positive part is he found loving parents and which parents sacrifice their other children in war for sake their foster son?
i do sympathise with him when he was abandoned as a baby, but he did get loving parents in the form of adirath and radha . and even if society has wronged u it does not give u the right to do the same to others.
his assault on drau can't be justified under any circumstances... i can't believe this serial actually tried to do so.

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