Dharamkshetra discussion thread 2 (Page 33)

CaptainSpark IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 27 May 2015 at 7:27am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Sabhayata

Originally posted by CaptainSpark

I know they are not. I never said they are. I was saying that its foolish if a person wants to fight another in no intention of winning.
As for killing, its evident he did want to kill Arjuna..
But I am done with this debate... Smile

How is it evident that Karna wanted to kill Arjuna since Gurukul days when all he said that he desires to fight with him?

He could have just wanted to defeat Arjuna as well

In any case in CE he says that he wants Brahamastra to be Arjuna's equal so there is no desire to kill even here

Sabhayata.. can u check the previous pages.. I am not feeling like typing all that again.
And he never desired to be equal to Arjuna. Jamy posted the citation. It said he desired to fight.
And I know he did not want to kill A since Gurukul days but after they grew up and knew each other ofcourse. I believe it was out of jealousy and blind hatred.. but does not mean you also have to think the same.
Actually I have found that K is not important in the story. His being in the story does not bring in any difference except for the fact that Ps would win Kurukshetra earlier... LOL 

Chiillii Senior Member

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Posted: 27 May 2015 at 10:19am | IP Logged
No brishti..
Karna's biggest contribution to Jaya was, he incited panchalis disrobing and insulted her. He brings a major change to the story...I know many believe it's an interpolation but for a while let's assume it is not

 What do you think Would have happened if Panchali had not been insulted and disrobed.

Yeah war may have still happened with the same consequences, but Dury and Dushy would not have branded as obnoxious villains and hated so much.

So Karna s biggest contribution was turning an anti hero into a despicable person, who also happened to be his friend
Maverick_me Goldie

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Posted: 27 May 2015 at 7:23pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Sabhayata

Originally posted by Maverick_me

Arjuna doesn't use Pasupata on Jayadratha . If you read previous night of Jayadrath vadh , Krishna reminds him of how he had got Pasupata from Shiva (Bhava) Krishna doesn't say 'use' Pasupata and as a dream sequence Arjuna gets Pasupata (again) from Shiva. Here Krishna was reminding Arjuna of the ultimate test of temperament Arjuna passed when he earns Pasupata , Shiva not only tests Arjuna's skills as warrior but also his perseverance and is pleased . He also certifies Arjuna as equal to himself in prowess and that there was no other warrior like Arjuna. He also forbade him not to use it on ordinary humans. 3/41 CE
Only Telugu (Andhra bharatam) mentions Pasupata being used by Arjuna. Andhra bharatam was a work of 'kavitrayam' work of three poets viz., Nanayya bhatta , Eranna, Thikanna and the date fixed is later than 1000 AD .
The CE mentions of a thunderbolt looking like arrow (Aindra) which beheaded Jayadratha and then , on Krishna's advice a series of arrows are discharged to keep Jayadraths head traveling and reach his father's lap.

PS : Can u check Debroy's translation on Jayadrath vadh? There is no miracle of eclipse..

Discussing with you after a long time

In CE krishna ji clearly says to Arjuna that if you have the knowledge of Pasupata today you will be able to kill Jaydratha tomorrow

He then kind of concentrates on shiva ji gets transported there or something where he gets a bow for Shiva ji and in return gets Pasupata

Arjuna clearly uses a strong divine weapon to kill Jaydratha the the name of the weapon is not mentioned

So he could have used Pasupata or not but he does use a strong divine weapon

Yes the sun thing is not in CE

I meant pl post citation of Jayadrath vadh from CE translation by debroy Big smile 
Arjuna killed his strongest foe Karna with 'Anjalika' needless to say that he used something of that category to kill Jayadrath. Aindrastra is mentioned to have been used .. 
Reminding of Pasupata was like instilling confidence in Arjuna because the vow he had taken was near to impossible and Krishna was really worried , he even expresses his anxiety to his charioteer Daruka and his anxiety is proven right , the next day to protect Jayadrath , there are not only warriors surrounding him but there were chakravyuha, suchimukha and shakatavyuha created so first Arjuna had to pierce and destroy the vyuhas and defeat the warriors surrounding J before he could actually get hold of Jayadrath.

PS : seems u're busy these days, it was really long time we discussed ...

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