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Bhagwanti reasons is valid, enough....

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 1:18pm | IP Logged
Bhagwanti wants Keshav to accept Sundar completely as his own son so that afterwards when she will have a baby with Keshav he will accept both...
Sundar is not Keshav son is a truth which can't be changed.. Still he began to accept him...
In a certain way it is right, from Bhagwati point of view, but is it enough as a valid reason...
Here Keshav blaming her that she's still attached to her first hubby is not that bad also because any man would have said the same...
Your words...your POV.

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 7:27pm | IP Logged
both are right but Keshav should be mature and should hear what Bhagwati has to say. Keshav should understand that Bhagwati is a mature, sensible woman and his real support system. Rather only support as his mom and siblings have their own agendas.
Communication is the best way for sorting any misunderstandings. Keshav should talk to Bhagwati..

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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 10:55pm | IP Logged
Keshav is morally wrong. But it is not his mistake...He has been brought up in a house where Titu has been given too much of importance.. Because of this he has started to believe that whatever be the situation he won't be as close to Bauji as Titu is. So he has developed this belief that his own blood is more precious than anyone else...

In one episode he also said that "it doesn't matter what he and Mukund does for Bauji, Titu will always be ahead in terms of affection given"...And in another episode, when Panchi's parents arrived at Govind narayan's shop, Govind said that "After him, all this belongs to Titu (which should actually belong to Keshav as he is the one who takes care).

Keshav's thinking got developed because of the injustice he faced from the hands of Govind and Surekha..Hence, Keshav can't be blamed entirely for this.

Keshav is one such character through which writers want to convey that sometimes in households (intentionally-unintentionally) love gets distributed unequally because of which they face situations  like this.


Edited by Prtzy - 08 May 2015 at 11:00pm

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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 6:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Prtzy

Keshav is morally wrong. But it is not his mistake...He has been brought up in a house where Titu has been given too much of importance.. Because of this he has started to believe that whatever be the situation he won't be as close to Bauji as Titu is. So he has developed this belief that his own blood is more precious than anyone else...

In one episode he also said that "it doesn't matter what he and Mukund does for Bauji, Titu will always be ahead in terms of affection given"...And in another episode, when Panchi's parents arrived at Govind narayan's shop, Govind said that "After him, all this belongs to Titu (which should actually belong to Keshav as he is the one who takes care).

Keshav's thinking got developed because of the injustice he faced from the hands of Govind and Surekha..Hence, Keshav can't be blamed entirely for this.

Keshav is one such character through which writers want to convey that sometimes in households (intentionally-unintentionally) love gets distributed unequally because of which they face situations  like this.

Whether we accept it or not, the truth is Govind ji has brought up his brother kids as his own. But whatever business they are having is not an ancestral business but started and achieved by Govindji. So naturally after him all his property will get transferred to his son but he can make some provision for his nephews. But it is not right to think that since keshav was sitting in the shop and taking care of that, he will be the next owner. He may be given consideration, but onre can not expect to handover the business to Keshav and leave your own son to his fate. 

And how is that injustice to Keshav or Mukund if Govind & Surekha love their son (who was born after 16 or 18 years of their marriage)? And Titu is many years younger to Keshav and when Titu was born, I am sure Keshav father would have been still alive. So it was his and Rekha's duty to give necessary love to their kids and not their uncles. BUt still Govind love them as his own kids and so is Surekha. So it should not affect him how Titu was loved by his parents.  If he had some complex for not accepting some one else's child as his, then he should not have married a lady with a child. After marriage not accepting the child as his is wrong.

But still Bhagavati is also at fault as she could have explained it to him (her point of view) atleast when he openly asked her give him his heir. then he would not have built a castle and dream to become a biological father.


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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 8:25am | IP Logged
Allowing Titu to be a lazy guy is Govind's and Surekha's fault... Govind's excuse that I couldn't change Titu because of Surekha is absolutely crap and baseless.

And anyone would get jealous seeing the luxuries given to Titu for being useless like a garbage(being the only son of Govind-Surekha doesn't earn him the rights for all the luxuries if he is choosing to sit and do no work ). Few days back when Mukund shouted on Govind, it was absolutely right... Why Govind expects Mukund to earn money when he doesn't pushes his own son to earn for the house.. Why did he punish Mukund, when his own son tried to run away from his own marriage.

It is right that it was Govind who took the responsibility of them. But in turn they have also repaid him. Keshav helps Govind in shop and Mukund will become a lawyer, unlike his own son who is good for nothing. After Govind, if Keshav is not the one who owns the shop then it makes Keshav to look  like a fool who's working hard, earning for the family and the shop is in the name of Titu... I am sorry but this is pure injustice, especially when Titu is not at all interested in the shop of Govind.

I don't know whether you know the story or not but Keshav got married to Bhagwati because Keshav was handicapped and Bhagwati was a widow.. Both didn't have choices as beggars are not choosers... But it is the first marriage for Keshav so very obviously he will have demands.

I am not saying whatever Keshav did was right.. But whatever he did has got roots in the inequality in affection from Govind- Surekha.. In a joint family one shouldn't give too much importance to any one child, it doesn't matter whether that child got born after 18 years or 20 years..Since Govind-Surekha took the decision of raising Rekha's children, its their duty too to see that because of Titu, other children in the house aren't feeling left out

Today if he feels about Sunder in a negative way is because that is what he has seen in the house for so many years. Works like a donkey in the shop -but the shop is in the name of Titu, Mukund hid the news of marriage so he got punished-Titu didn't get any punishment... And instances like these have made his perception that his blood relations are more precious than relationships of duty ...




Edited by Prtzy - 09 May 2015 at 8:30am

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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 4:48pm | IP Logged
we can argue both ways but what I can't forgive is the venom keshav spews on an innocent child . ... despite what might have happened to keshav , he is an adult - you don't get to toss aside children and treat them like garbage just because you are having a bad day.

keshav treated the child like shit before ... its only when he wanted a child of his own did he pay him any attention to butter up his wife .. and once he realised that it had not worked he turned completely cruel ... I can't believe someone can speak to a child like he did.

as for titu , he was born after 20 years so he is obviously precious to his parents . . keshav looks at all the love sureka gives titu but he conveniently ignores all the time the dad yells at titu ... keshav is one of those people who will always complain about their life and be jealous of others .

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Posted: 09 May 2015 at 8:25pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by bips

we can argue both ways but what I can't forgive is the venom keshav spews on an innocent child . ... despite what might have happened to keshav , he is an adult - you don't get to toss aside children and treat them like garbage just because you are having a bad day.

keshav treated the child like shit before ... its only when he wanted a child of his own did he pay him any attention to butter up his wife .. and once he realised that it had not worked he turned completely cruel ... I can't believe someone can speak to a child like he did.

as for titu , he was born after 20 years so he is obviously precious to his parents . . keshav looks at all the love sureka gives titu but he conveniently ignores all the time the dad yells at titu ... keshav is one of those people who will always complain about their life and be jealous of others .


I agree with youClap.. Whatever might be the reasons for Keshav-Bhagwati's marriage, he can't leave the responsibilities of Sunder...or else if he is so unhappy with his marriage, then he should be alone.

For the other part, yes Govind yells at Titu for all his mistakes..But doesn't reward Keshav for his hardwork(atleast that is what has been shown till date). All the rewards towards him are diverted towards Titu because of Surekha and at that point Govind chooses to shut out..
(There was an incident in the show where Keshav asked Govind that this time he would do the "chunni chadava" but Surekha insisted for Titu)
One can say these are small things and Keshav should understand the situation but then its a thin line and as I mentioned back, its the duty of parents/caretakers to see on which side of the line the child is.. But I guess you were right, this argument can never end


Edited by Prtzy - 09 May 2015 at 8:34pm

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Posted: 11 May 2015 at 12:38am | IP Logged
Mukund is the same as Titu.  Both do not earn.  Titu is too lazy to go work as his mom spoilt him rotten.  Mukund is a lawyer but all he does is stay at home & plot with the ladies.  Keshav should be given a percentage ownership in his uncle's business as he is the only one interested in working & making his uncle's business a success.  He might feel Titu has more privelages than him but he doesnt seem to really wish harm on Titu as compared to Mukund.  

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