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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:38pm | IP Logged
Another reason why I think driving intoxicated is the worst decision to make - in the very likely chance that you do something bad like get in an accident, you're in such an effed up state that the subsequent actions will be as irresponsible and stupid.

Bottom line: Don't drink and drive. Coz you may end up paying for a crime you had no intent of committing

Edited by desigal90 - 06 May 2015 at 8:37pm

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:41pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by kitkataha

India's Judicial system needs to introspect. What is ultimate purpose it wants to achieve with punishment? Retribution? Recidivism? I agree with your rambling. Intent/mens rea is how we hold anyone accountable for a crime. There's a reason why in many countries, defendants have the right to a speedy and fair trial. Reasons to punish are: 1) justice 2) set an example 3) hope the time changes the person so that when they're back in the society, they can integrate. In Salman's case, the judiciary needs to be held accountable for its own negligence. You're telling me it takes 13 years to hold someone accountable? Had this been in any other country, the statute of limitations would have barred the claims by now. I've seen (first hand) in trials where victims are compensated for in such cases (rightly so!), whereas the defendants are sentenced to probation because their crime lacks the intent required to convict them.



PS- texting and driving / drinking and driving are similar. They both amount to recklessness.


Even in child psychology, they teach is that punishment is only effective if delivered immediately.
Right away.
Only then does it achieve its purpose - to lessen the behavior.

Delayed punishment just ends up confusing the one getting published, for he she doesn't feel at that point the association between them as strongly as if the punishment had been delivered right away.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:44pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigal90

Another reason why I think driving intoxicated is the worst decision to make - in the very likely chance that you do something bad like get in an accident, you're in such an effed up state that the subsequent actions will be as irresponsible and stupid.

Bottom line: Don't drink and drive. Coz you may end up paying for a crime you had no intent of committing

Drunk drivers kill hundreds of people in US everyday. So many families are killed, parents and little kids when drunk drivers crash into others vehicles after binge drinking or partying hard!

An organization was started by one of the suffering mothers...its called MADD...Moms Against Drunk Driving...they hold rallies every year in Washington DC...they have thousands of members, all parents or family members of victims of drunk driving.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:49pm | IP Logged
@desigal: and therein lies the reasoning behind a speedy trial. How can you convict anyone after a decade for a crime? The association is missing, not to forget, the defendant probably has been in enough mental anguish about his or her pending punishment. Here in the States, this would amount to cruel and unusual punishment. It's different when a criminal flees and gets captured after decades. But when the criminal is present, within Court's reach, and yet the Court acts this negligently, that should let you know that the system needs to be reworked. Even Salman's victims want compensation at this stage.

This is a good discussion you're having. Let's hope no one gets called a criminal, supporter of a criminal while we are at it.

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigal90

Another reason why I think driving intoxicated is the worst decision to make - in the very likely chance that you do something bad like get in an accident, you're in such an effed up state that the subsequent actions will be as irresponsible and stupid.

Bottom line: Don't drink and drive. Coz you may end up paying for a crime you had no intent of committing

But u cant be 365 days intoxicated for 13 years. 

Its not just a alcohol fueld accident.. its a cold blooded strategy tohide the crime. A constable wasthe worst off victimof this incident... and no1 is opening his case. 

I have seen hit-n-run cases in NZ on tv.. a chinese 19 years old killed a Kiwi 10 old boy rash driving and he didnt have licence. The chinese family wanted them to give 50,000 dollars... but the kiwi famiy didnt accept their son's "blood money". They saidlet the court decide.. and we r happy as we can be. My son wont come back.. at least ur son will back some day. 

U know, if it becomes a popular that poor gets killed by rich on the road, and the family will get get millions for to shup up.. therez an very EVIL side of both ways. I can make a movie on that. 18+ of course. Just let mind free and imagine what I m trying to say here. 




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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigal90



Even in child psychology, they teach is that punishment is only effective if delivered immediately.
Right away.
Only then does it achieve its purpose - to lessen the behavior.

Delayed punishment just ends up confusing the one getting published, for he she doesn't feel at that point the association between them as strongly as if the punishment had been delivered right away.


But in Salman's case, punishment was delayed because the perpertrator of the crime used his celebrity status, money, power to evade punishment. He lied through his teeth, avoided court dates, hired bigtime lying lawyers to deny and delay justice.

Hes not a child, he knew exactly what he did and what he was doing to get out of it! So yes, he deserves to go to jail, even if its after 13 years!
Just as Jessica Lall's killer deserved to go to jail after all those years! Justice can be delayed but not denied!
 Money, political influence or celebrity status doesnt give any criminal the right to get out of serving time!

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:55pm | IP Logged
Only IF discussion thread thats worth reading currentlyClapClap..Hope the decorum is maintained here atleast..Thank you desigal for opening this thread..Really liked the way u substantiated ur reasonings Big smile

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:59pm | IP Logged
The courts are even more negligent if they were influenced with Salman's celebrity status, money, power etc. LOL it seems to me that the Indian Judges have a good amount of discretion (even moreso because there's no jury system there). It would possibly only take a couple of motions from the Proesuction and one Order from the judge to conclude the case and take it to sentencing. Let us not ignore how recklessly the Courts have acted in this situation. We are not debating if Salman committed the crime...we are trying to reason for Court's negligence, and so far, I can come up with none.

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