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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by desigal90

Chippeshwani, not even close yaar. Only 2 years down. 
2 more to go, and then a few more of residency. But we are done with the basic sciences years and will now start rotations so yayy! Thanks though. 

@Dietcoke.
Yeah, I just feel like maybe holding him accountable for the victim's families, his children's education, food, clothing, shelter would have done them more good than sending the man to jail after 14 years post incident. Like how would it feel to be the victim's family right now?

I would still feel cheated thb. Like thanks...but...err...now what. 

Sometimes, revenge or making someone pay or punishing someone isn't enough to make another feel good. 
But if someone's punishment was then to help the family, I would have seen a lot more good come out of it.

But then again, that's an ideal world and I'm not aware if such ideals would even work in practical life
you are very right...in Western countries, people have their car insurance, so God forbid, something happens, the victims get hugely compensated though it can never overshadow the loss/pain the victims go through...however, something is always better than nothing...but I know this is not how it works in South Asian countries, the victims hardly get compensated, so I feel Salman should be made to look after the victims' families rather than limiting the punishment to 5 years jail term!!!

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:58pm | IP Logged
I see what you're saying but wouldn't all the loaded people get away with their crimes because they have enough money to pay off victim's family? Then what about the poor ones? Would it be fair to send poor to jail for the same crime but let rich ones get away because they have enough money to compensate? Law is there for a reason. It's there to protect the citizens and punish the guilty ones. Personally, I feel guilty party should pay both compensation and serve the time. If everyone could get away by paying off money, loaded ones wouldn't give a damn about other people's lives because they know they have enough money to pay compensation amount and walk around freely. And what if victim's family doesn't need financial support? At least jail time would create some sorta fear in people's mind which can help lessen such accidents if not completely avoid them?

Edited by .Kiran. - 06 May 2015 at 7:58pm

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:13pm | IP Logged
There shouldn't be a statue of limitation on unnatural loss of human life.  And while I completely agree that 13 years is a ridiculous amount of time for a case to get resolved, this is indicative of weaknesses in the Indian judicial system. Time does not absolve the criminal of his crimes. No matter how much he may or not have changed and how much good they may have done for society, justice has to be served to the full extent of the law.  Then there is the whole issue of how much did Salman prolong this case by not accepting responsibility right away?

I really do not agree with the practice of monetary compensation as a substitute for jail time. It gives the wealthy a very unfair advantage and makes the societal and class divide even bigger.  

As for the specific example you've given, I'm making assumptions and speculating here but it might be a case of the law not catching up with technology. Driving drunk is illegal, if you kill someone driving drunk you could even be charged with voluntary manslaughter. But what do you charge someone who is distracted with their phone? This is what I mean by law not catching up with technology. I'm guessing the cops or DAs couldn't find enough legally to charge her, so then it was up to the victim's family to take it to civil court and ask for monetary compensation, and that's when the rich father came in.  She probably wouldn't have served anytime even if her father wasn't rich.  The victim's family was compensated. Was justice served? Doesn't seem like it, but what do you do when the law is behind?

Well, this is my take on this.  

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:24pm | IP Logged
I am trying to sound like a responsible adult who can see different sides of this argument but its so hard for me to do that. I cannot. I tried. Granted, Salman Khan should have gotten his punishment years ago... but he did not because of the Indian Judiciary system. But that does not mean that the crime is any less 13 years later. If anything, its very important for people to understand that you cannot commit a crime and then pay for it and have it be forgotten. Paying the family, caring for them, all that should have been done out of regret and guilt but not as a solution to the crime he committed. 
Plain and simple: 

1) Commit a crime --> Go to jail and pay for the crime
2) Have guilt because of the crime because you are simply "being human" --> do charity and help the family whose lives you royally screwed up. 

Can the two be interchanged? No. Legal stuff should be dealt with rules and regulations. Emotions can maybe be dealt with money. 

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Kiran.

I see what you're saying but wouldn't all the loaded people get away with their crimes because they have enough money to pay off victim's family? Then what about the poor ones? Would it be fair to send poor to jail for the same crime but let rich ones get away because they have enough money to compensate? Law is there for a reason. It's there to protect the citizens and punish the guilty ones. Personally, I feel guilty party should pay both compensation and serve the time. If everyone could get away by paying off money, loaded ones wouldn't give a damn about other people's lives because they know they have enough money to pay compensation amount and walk around freely. And what if victim's family doesn't need financial support? At least jail time would create some sorta fear in people's mind which can help lessen such accidents if not completely avoid them?

Very valid point.
Didn't think about this at all. Smile

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:30pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by IAmLuvBolly

As for the specific example you've given, I'm making assumptions and speculating here but it might be a case of the law not catching up with technology. Driving drunk is illegal, if you kill someone driving drunk you could even be charged with voluntary manslaughter. But what do you charge someone who is distracted with their phone? This is what I mean by law not catching up with technology. I'm guessing the cops or DAs couldn't find enough legally to charge her, so then it was up to the victim's family to take it to civil court and ask for monetary compensation, and that's when the rich father came in.  She probably wouldn't have served anytime even if her father wasn't rich.  The victim's family was compensated. Was justice served? Doesn't seem like it, but what do you do when the law is behind?

Well, this is my take on this.  

Great take. 
But this is why I'm confused. I think texting and driving in many states is against the law, so I'm very surprised by how she was able to wiggle her way out of this.
And now ironically study medicine and become a physician. 

I think texting and driving and drinking and driving are pretty similar things. 

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:33pm | IP Logged
I believe one of the victims has given an interview expressing satisfaction with Salman's judgement.
The 20 year old girl in the hit and run case was on her phone...strike one against her...use of cell phone while driving is against the law.

Salman has 2 strikes against him...he was driving while drunk...he was driving without a licence...both illegal, both crimes!

If Salman had owned up, helped the accident victims right away, made reparations to their families, shown regret/remorse instead of denying, lying and avoiding court dates...then he would get a lighter sentence which would have been over by now.
Admission of guilt and expression of true regret can help in getting lighter sentencing in a court of law.

As for this young girl's crime,  dad's money covered up her crime, which is a shame...but at least the victim's family got reparations.


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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:35pm | IP Logged
India's Judicial system needs to introspect. What is ultimate purpose it wants to achieve with punishment? Retribution? Recidivism? I agree with your rambling. Intent/mens rea is how we hold anyone accountable for a crime. There's a reason why in many countries, defendants have the right to a speedy and fair trial. Reasons to punish are: 1) justice 2) set an example 3) hope the time changes the person so that when they're back in the society, they can integrate. In Salman's case, the judiciary needs to be held accountable for its own negligence. You're telling me it takes 13 years to hold someone accountable? Had this been in any other country, the statute of limitations would have barred the claims by now. I've seen (first hand) in trials where victims are compensated for in such cases (rightly so!), whereas the defendants are sentenced to probation because their crime lacks the intent required to convict them.



PS- texting and driving / drinking and driving are similar. They both amount to recklessness.

Edited by kitkataha - 06 May 2015 at 8:38pm

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