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Posted: 10 May 2015 at 5:00am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Verity.

Originally posted by _Angie_


What took 13 years was undone in two days. Not many could have afforded the defense lawyer, Harish Salve's  fees of Rs 30 lakh a day . Ravindra Patil the constable, assigned as Salman's bodyguard in 2002 when the actor  had complained of getting underworld threats  had been the prime witness and under a lot of pressure to withdraw his statement . He had stated that it was a drunk Salman who had been driving the SUV that killed one and injured several others that night. . Patil  was later arrested and locked in Arthur Road jail  for not appearing in court.  He also lost his job and died a beggar . Wont be surprised if the lawyers somehow "prove" that Salman hadnt been driving at all! Is that what the actor's much touted  "being Human" was all  about?   


http://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/was-justice-served-common-man-s-verdict-in-salman-khan-case/article1-1345162.aspx

I am equally skeptical, I think this reformation and all the being human, good deeds and charity, is perhaps a calculated cause of action to help him in this case, he knew it would come this day, so he cleaned up his act and worked hard to go out of his way to help others so they could all testify to his good character. So the witness ex constable Ravindra Patil was probably bribed not to appear in court and was imprisoned for not testifying to collaborate his earlier statement, the bribe also didn't last as he died a beggar, why he didn't go back to Salman for more money? 


Its a shame that after 13 years of work, its all unravelled in 2 days for the justice sy estem. I feel the courts also were helping him the lower court taking so long to give him time to clean up his act and do his charity, we can't put it down to the fact they have too many cases, it seems like they wanted to help him clean up his act and reform without going to prison again. 

Its a fact that there is a huge backlog of cases in the courts. What is lamentable is that the courts continue their practice of regular summer and winter vacations. As things stand it would be more appropriate to allow only 50% of the staff to go on vacation and that too in turns so that the proceedings dont get totally paralysed during these periods.


But saying all these things I still feel when you kill someone by accident drunk or not that person's life you've taken has to have some value, and I keep asking this to everyone on here but no-one has tried to answer it, but I will say it again, I feel if the homeless guy had no-one to turn to, no friends or family to keep him during his bad times for him to turn his life around, no job, he had no dependents to provide for, what value did he have to society?

The law is supposed to work on the principle of equality. The punishment is meant to be in accordance with  the crime committed. I am sure the actor did not deliberately choose to run over the victim whose value to society is being questioned. It could have been anyone who happened to be at that place at that time of the accident. While one can allege contributory negligence on part of the victims who slept on the pavements as that was no place to sleep they conveniently ignore that the victims may have had little choice whereas the actor had had the choice of consuming alcohol or not, driving the car in that state or not, opting to offer help to the victims after the accident or not. He made his choice. 

So did the constable Ravindra Patil who despite immense pressure and at the cost of his own well being refused to withdraw or alter his statements. A news item about R Patil should throw more light on his fate-  http://www.tehelka.com/how-salman-khan-ruined-101-bodyguard-ravindra-patil/

There were others who showed exemplary commitment to their duty like Sub Inspector Dinesh M Patkar  and his team of Bandra Police Station in Mumbai. The case would have collapsed much earlier if his team hadnt diligently traced the crucial missing documents   (56 of the 63). If we had more of such people in our country the state of justice would be very different from what it is . 

As for value,  whom do we value more?  Each of these made his own choice in life. None of these men are making huge bucks like the actor or his lawyer nor are they seen as real life heroes whereas the actor  is a celebrity, a reel-hero  with  a huge fan following. Just goes to show the hollowness of the entire value system. . If reel life heroes tower over the real life it is because of what the majority values. So in a way everything is  fair and square as the society gets  what it  aspires for. A drunk remorseless celebrity actor and his paid coterie of lawyers with their network win over the poor victims  as well as a handful of honest , diligent , people who still have faith in the law and in  doing their duty.  Not surprisingly, the later could be an endangered species though. 

The law says Salman should be prosecuted but if we think of the victim what was he to society? What was his contribution presently or his future prospects?

For all we know the victims only contribution could be as a test for our judiciary system. Time will reveal whether it fails or sails.. In monetary terms the actor will be valued more as a number of producers have put in their money on his movies which is expected to provide entertainment to his numerous fans. Its a circus alright!

All the same I would say that  the actor hasnt been known to be a serial offender and all said and done  it was an accident. I am all for an opportunity for reform but that ought to be extended to everyone and not just to a select few. The thirty thousand rupees bond is peanuts  and instead it would have been better to make him pay for rehabilitating the survivors. It makes more practical sense to settle some cases out of the court. Only the lawyers seem to be benefitting out of these cases. 



Edited by _Angie_ - 10 May 2015 at 5:03am

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Posted: 10 May 2015 at 6:33am | IP Logged
Originally posted by LovelyPlanet

well his intention was not to kill anyone, accidents happen all the time. He has been remorseful since the accident and has helped 1000s of people with his own money.

There are people vouching for his goodness.

Moreover there are 100s of politicians who are responsible for killings, loot all nations money and never seem regretful at all. Compared to them he is saint, so putting him in the jail is not going to be fair.

I'm sorry i disagree here, agreed that he ran over the victims by mistake in drunken or whatever state he was in, one can pardon him for this had he sincerely taken the victims to the nearest hospital and treated them instead of running away like a coward from the accident scene.. this running part is what turns his mistake into a crime.
all this being human and charity is a farce created by his PR to cover up for his crime and sadly it has worked too, this incident happened in 2002 and he started with the being human campaign in 2007 .. what was he doing for 5 years? he didn't try to reach out to the victims familis in these 5 yrs, if you indeed want to help ppl, change their lives then why not first start with the families you have ruined coz of your careless driving?
ok so just coz the politicians and other criminals are not punished so even bhai has the right to remain free and go unpunished? what kind of logic is this.
i can for once forgive him fr the hit thing ...but run? nope never.


Edited by indianprincess - 10 May 2015 at 7:22am

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So Sallu is now back to making movies again ! And even singing on the sets.
 
Well I guess we can never put a good man down.LOL
 
But his 1998 case on the poaching of Black Buck and possession of firearms is also still dragging on. Why not just slap a fine and close it.

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^ i dont know about a good man, but it looks like a rich man can sure put a poor man down.

when Salman khan got behind the wheels drunk, what was he thinking? Did he not know he could run over someone, have an accident etc? Like they say, live by the sword, die by the sword. He's made a lot of money thanks to the public. For the sake of that same public and for their education, he should be put behind bars for a long time for causing death while driving DUI, for lying, for running away, for trying to game the system etc. The US is known to give exemplary punishment to serve as example (for example in some of the insider trading cases), and same should apply to Salman. There's nothing unfair there as long as it is within prescribed bounds. As a celeb, he's gained a lot and if it means being held to a higher standard, that comes with the territory.

by the way, no one who drives drunk thinks they will ever have such a mishap. That nonsense about the homeless people sleeping on pavements is a red herring. Saman was a time bomb waiting to happen. He'd have run over someone or the other one day! Unfortunately idiots like him only learn when their own ass is on the line! They need to learn, and if it means throwing Salman in jail for a long time, so be it. Our society needs to get tough on bad drivers and their drunken ways. We have almost twice the rate of fatalities per capita as comparaed to the nascar-crazy americans, 5 times that of the UK, and that's after we have 60% of the population that lives in viillages and dont have cars.

if Salman really wanted to Be Human, he'd fess up to the crime, do time, become a spokesman against drunk driving etc. It's easy for him to give away money, can he give time? Can he be a real hero?

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Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by indianprincess

Originally posted by LovelyPlanet

well his intention was not to kill anyone, accidents happen all the time. He has been remorseful since the accident and has helped 1000s of people with his own money.

There are people vouching for his goodness.

Moreover there are 100s of politicians who are responsible for killings, loot all nations money and never seem regretful at all. Compared to them he is saint, so putting him in the jail is not going to be fair.

I'm sorry i disagree here, agreed that he ran over the victims by mistake in drunken or whatever state he was in, one can pardon him for this had he sincerely taken the victims to the nearest hospital and treated them instead of running away like a coward from the accident scene.. this running part is what turns his mistake into a crime.
all this being human and charity is a farce created by his PR to cover up for his crime and sadly it has worked too, this incident happened in 2002 and he started with the being human campaign in 2007 .. what was he doing for 5 years? he didn't try to reach out to the victims familis in these 5 yrs, if you indeed want to help ppl, change their lives then why not first start with the families you have ruined coz of your careless driving?
ok so just coz the politicians and other criminals are not punished so even bhai has the right to remain free and go unpunished? what kind of logic is this.
i can for once forgive him fr the hit thing ...but run? nope never.


I agree, if an accident occurs, it is your responsibility to help them out (take them to the hospital etc).

But if the accident occurred due to a misjudgement due to alcohol, he probably made the inappropriate decision of running away due to alcohol as well.

You can't say that he was drunk and therefore is guilty, and that he ran away. If he was drunk, then his judgement was weakened.
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Posted: 16 May 2015 at 8:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by HippoSucks

Originally posted by indianprincess

Originally posted by LovelyPlanet

well his intention was not to kill anyone, accidents happen all the time. He has been remorseful since the accident and has helped 1000s of people with his own money.

There are people vouching for his goodness.

Moreover there are 100s of politicians who are responsible for killings, loot all nations money and never seem regretful at all. Compared to them he is saint, so putting him in the jail is not going to be fair.

I'm sorry i disagree here, agreed that he ran over the victims by mistake in drunken or whatever state he was in, one can pardon him for this had he sincerely taken the victims to the nearest hospital and treated them instead of running away like a coward from the accident scene.. this running part is what turns his mistake into a crime.
all this being human and charity is a farce created by his PR to cover up for his crime and sadly it has worked too, this incident happened in 2002 and he started with the being human campaign in 2007 .. what was he doing for 5 years? he didn't try to reach out to the victims familis in these 5 yrs, if you indeed want to help ppl, change their lives then why not first start with the families you have ruined coz of your careless driving?
ok so just coz the politicians and other criminals are not punished so even bhai has the right to remain free and go unpunished? what kind of logic is this.
i can for once forgive him fr the hit thing ...but run? nope never.


I agree, if an accident occurs, it is your responsibility to help them out (take them to the hospital etc).

But if the accident occurred due to a misjudgement due to alcohol, he probably made the inappropriate decision of running away due to alcohol as well.

You can't say that he was drunk and therefore is guilty, and that he ran away. If he was drunk, then his judgement was weakened.
first of all he was already drunk while driving, this itself is an offence as per indian law.
yes maybe he ran due to the effect of alcohol that time...but he could have surrendered himself the very next day when he came to his senses, or atleast try to look out for the victims and help them if he indeed was a good hearted human... did he? no. on the contrary he was found in his lawyer's house trying to save his own ass when police traced him the next day.. something only a coward can do.
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Posted: 17 May 2015 at 9:44pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by BirdieNumNum


^ i dont know about a good man, but it looks like a rich man can sure put a poor man down.

when Salman khan got behind the wheels drunk, what was he thinking? Did he not know he could run over someone, have an accident etc? Like they say, live by the sword, die by the sword. He's made a lot of money thanks to the public. For the sake of that same public and for their education, he should be put behind bars for a long time for causing death while driving DUI, for lying, for running away, for trying to game the system etc. The US is known to give exemplary punishment to serve as example (for example in some of the insider trading cases), and same should apply to Salman. There's nothing unfair there as long as it is within prescribed bounds. As a celeb, he's gained a lot and if it means being held to a higher standard, that comes with the territory.

by the way, no one who drives drunk thinks they will ever have such a mishap. That nonsense about the homeless people sleeping on pavements is a red herring. Saman was a time bomb waiting to happen. He'd have run over someone or the other one day! Unfortunately idiots like him only learn when their own ass is on the line! They need to learn, and if it means throwing Salman in jail for a long time, so be it. Our society needs to get tough on bad drivers and their drunken ways. We have almost twice the rate of fatalities per capita as comparaed to the nascar-crazy americans, 5 times that of the UK, and that's after we have 60% of the population that lives in viillages and dont have cars.

if Salman really wanted to Be Human, he'd fess up to the crime, do time, become a spokesman against drunk driving etc. It's easy for him to give away money, can he give time? Can he be a real hero?
Yes drunken driving costs lives.
Laws are very strict in most countries. Here in Singapore, first offense if caught, lose license. Second offense, a jail term immediately ( even without causing any accident).
 
yes if you want to drink then do not drive ! But most young persons do not know how bad it can be.
Some places where alcohol is served do not allow their patrons to drive home, if they are drunk. They provide drivers to help them, at a fee.
Another alternative: Ban all alcohol at public places ( may not be practical unless in Muslim countries).


Edited by Summer3 - 17 May 2015 at 9:45pm
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