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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 10:54pm | IP Logged
I didn't understand what is offensive in that Jesus picture. I only see a crucified guy in yellow against an orange backdrop. Am I missing something? Confused

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 10:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

I didn't understand what is offensive in that Jesus picture. I only see a crucified guy in yellow against an orange backdrop. Am I missing something? Confused

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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 11:17pm | IP Logged
I know I won't be amused, if a guy wants to draw my cartoon with the sole objective of making fun of me or insulting me. I'll consider such behaviour, especially when done repeatedly, as bullying. I certainly can't expect other people to tolerate what I myself in all probability will find offensive, if done to me.

But does that warrant me physically attacking the cartoonist. Maybe not. Depends on the law. If the law permits, I'll certainly would like to show the cartoonist how funny I find it to kick his rear side. But if the law doesn't permit it, I'd most probably just register a case against the cartoonist and depend on law enforcement to stop such behaviour.

The next question is, whose law should be followed? The country in which the cartoonist is drawing the cartoon? Or the country/ countries whose population is being made fun of? The West expects all other nations to follow their code of law, as long as the cartoonist is residing on their soil. Similarly, the Muslim nations want the cartoonists to follow their code of law, when drawing something about them. Neither is wrong IMO.

Btw, I think one should be responsible when exercising free speech. It's not about the fear of consequences, but general courtesy. If Mr. X is a deaf, mute, blind, armless, legless person, doesn't mean I get a free pass to make cartoons mocking him, just because I know he can't get up and punch my face in.


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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 11:22pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

Originally posted by K.Universe.



87 nations have hate speech laws that covered defamation of religion and public expression of hate against a religious group. Even in those developed nations where there is a ban on blasphemy, there could be penalties or retaliation under blasphemous libel or vilification of religion or hate speech. Now, what constitutes blasphemy in Islam depends on the action, speech or behavior. So, those nations which have banned blasphemy still have to deal with libel.

I suppose you mean 'decriminalized blasphemy' when you say 'banned blasphemy'. Otherwise its confusing.




Ban on blasphemy as in there are no laws that deal with blasphemy as in invalidated laws against blasphemy. as in not recognize blasphemy as an offense as in no one will even be prosecuted for blasphemy as in don't even bring such cases to the attention of the court.

Which is why people are getting creative and masking blasphemy as "hate speech" and suing for slander.


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Oh, now I see where the confusion lies. It is ban on blasphemy laws. I thought that was understood, given the context was laws.
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I think in this world people live with their head in the clouds. Agreed. The shooting was totally atrocious.

But please, go by realities. There are unreasonably sensitive people out their. Are you going to lose something if you don't draw something? People speak about "freedom of this n that" ..well, why don't they respect their fellow humans who're too sensitive. Understanding your fellow humans and being a little wise wouldn't hurt. When you can speak about such high things like "freedom of this and that" ..is it difficult to understand small thing like hurting sentiments?
And organising a CONTEST to draw pictures of Mohd? Really? Epitome of foolishness

People these days behave like they'd die without freedom of speech and expression. Reminds me of Einstein's quote, "Two things are infinite : Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe"

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'You want her to die!' Muslim hate preacher and extreme anti-Islam 'Draw Muhammad' activist face off in dramatic Fox confrontation 
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The right-wing blogger who organized the 'Draw Muhammad' event that was targeted by two gunmen at the weekend has had a fierce TV confrontation with a hate preacher, who thinks she should receive capital punishment.

Extreme anti-Islam activist Pamela Geller argued with British-based cleric Anjem Choudary during Fox News' Hannity on Wednesday night,  just days after Elton Simpson, 31 and Nadir Soofi, 34, tried to storm the controversial cartoon event in Garland, Texas.

Geller, 56, who has received death threats since the anti-Islamic exhibition, began by claiming President Obama has 'created an environment that raised the stakes' on terror in the United States



Pamela Geller argued with British-based cleric Anjem Choudary during Fox News' Hannity on Wednesday night, just days after Elton Simpson, 31 and Nadir Soofi, 34, attacked the controversial cartoon event in Garland, Texas
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Pamela Geller argued with British-based cleric Anjem Choudary during Fox News' Hannity on Wednesday night, just days after Elton Simpson, 31 and Nadir Soofi, 34, attacked the controversial cartoon event in Garland, Texas



Host Sean Hannity then reminds his viewers what Choudary believes in - which is imposing Sharia law across all countries, including America. 

The controversial imam then says: 'Let's be clear we are not talking about Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck. We are talking about people who deliberately had a competition to insult the messenger Muhammad.

'If you saw the cartoons that Charlie Hebdo drew, you would understand the anger.'

Rabble rouser Choudary, who once said 'the flag of Islam will fly over the White House', then goes on to talk about how Geller was fully aware that many Muslims consider blasphemy a crime that is worthy of the death penalty.



Host Sean Hannuity then shouts: 'You want her to die!'  

To which Choudary replies: 'She should be put before a Sharia court and tried and, if guilty, face capital punishment.'

Geller says: 'To blame me and say that my cartoons are controversial... murdering cartoonists is controversial.'

The head of the American Freedom Defense Initiative then tries to get Choudary to stop interrupting her, and at one point says: 'I know you're used to stepping over women.'

Choudary then says Geller is worse than a 'Khanzier'- Arabic for pig - and starts ranting about Americans murdering innocent people, prompting Hannity to intervene. 

He ends the conversation by saying the cleric is 'evil and pathetic.' 


The Southern Poverty Law Center, who have designated Geller's AFDI a hate group, condemned the appearance of the pair in an email to the Media Matters blog.

Heidi Beirich, the director of the SPLC's Intelligence Project, wrote: 'We're disappointed, but not entirely surprised, that Sean Hannity would offer a national platform to two well-known haters. Ms. Geller and Mr. Choudary represent nothing more than an extreme political fringe. 

'Their divisive behavior is made even worse by the fact that Ms. Geller is now positioning herself to be a defender of free speech, while Mr. Choudary is purporting to speak on behalf of all Muslims.' 

ISIS quickly moved to claim the attack as its own and has now issued a terrifying death threat aimed at Geller, as well as claiming to have 71 'trained soldiers' operating within America. 

Geller has since expanded her security team in the wake of the death threat she received after the attack and has been in contact with the NYPD's counter-terrorism unit. 

It extended the warning to anyone who dared host her events or give her a platform to 'spill her filth'. The message claimed this would make them 'legitimate targets'.

A message posted online read that the weekend's attack was only the beginning of ISIS' 'efforts to establish a wilayah [province] in the heart of our enemy'.

It went on: 'Our aim was the khanzeer Pamela Geller and to show her that we don't care what land she hides in or what sky shields her; we will send all our Lions to achieve her slaughter.' 

NYPD spokesman Stephen Davis says the threat named Geller specifically. He says investigators from counterterrorism and intelligence bureaus met with her Wednesday and will do a 'comprehensive threat assessment' to decide whether it's credible enough to require security for Geller. 


Geller has hinted that she held the event in response to killings in Paris over the public depiction of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, whom Islam dictates must never be drawn or painted. 

Through websites, books, ad campaigns and public events, Geller has been warning for years about the 'Islamic machine' that she says threatens to destroy the U.S.

She famously led the campaign in 2010 " under a different group, called Stop the Islamization of America " to prevent the opening of an Islamic community center blocks from the World Trade Center site. She called it the 'ground zero mosque.'

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit organization that tracks hate groups, keeps a dossier on her in its 'extremist files,' calling her 'the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead.'

The law center describes her as 'relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam' and notes some of her more sensational claims, including that President Barack Obama is the 'love child' of Malcolm X. 

'I don't think that many Westernized Muslims know when they pray five times a day that they're cursing Christians and Jews five times a day,' she was quoted as telling The New York Times in 2010. She also said: 'I believe in the idea of a moderate Muslim. I do not believe in the idea of a moderate Islam.'

The weekend contest in Garland, Texas, was offering $10,000 for the best cartoon of Muhammad. 

Choudary is current;y on bail in the UK for allegedly being a member of a banned terrorist group. He founded the organization Al-Muhajiroun 20 years ago and is seen as a recruiting sergeant for Britain's radical Muslims. 

He has previously called Americans 'the biggest criminals in the world today.'

He hit U.S. headlines in 2011 after a furious exchange with Hannity on Fox News. The presenter became so enraged with his anti-American comments he ended the interview by calling him a 'sick, miserable, evil S.O.B'.



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