Mahakumbh

India-Forums

   
Mahakumbh
Mahakumbh

Mahakumbh 77-80: Distorting mirrors (Page 4)

sashashyam IF-Sizzlerz
sashashyam
sashashyam

Joined: 04 January 2012
Posts: 13387

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 5:20am | IP Logged
My dear,

Your idea of a hostile takeover by Rao would neatly take care of my main grouse against this sudden twist - why did Rao have to have Shivanand kidnapped and tortured for all of 24 years ?- but not of the others that  I have listed in this  post. The Sector 53 issue, for example.

Then again, Greyerson says that he had never known that there was someone above the Bishop,  more powerful than he was. That would seem to indicate that he had been there all along.

On the other hand,  your hostile takeover idea would explain what the Cardinal (now a mere BishopWink) told Greyerson over the  phone some weeks back, just before Shivanand comes looking for the First Book and beats him up. The Polish boss said then  that there had been many changes at the Polish end, and that there was a lot going on at the Mahakumbh that he, Greyerson, had no idea about. Both might fit in with a takeover by  Rao. If he has actually done that, he has also introduced a new insignia, the one he wears on his sleeve now.

Shubha and Sri (jayaks02) think that he will turn out to be a triple agent, which I  would like, if only to spare poor Shivanand and Tiwari the shock of finding out that their revered guru  was a traitor all along.

It is all very confusing. Let us see if there are any  real clarifications given this week.

MB is of course the primus inter pares, more powerful even than Rudra with all his chakras  opened. Plus she is as hard as nails and as sharp as a new pin, and thus a delight to watch when she is running rings around Dansh and then Drish. I hope we get a lot more of her this week.

Your description of Rudra as "superbly confused" is excellent. You only need to add "clueless"!Wink

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by VERITAS13

I just read your post! Very interesting! Yes the Rao part is a bit off! I always suspected his intentions, but never thought he was the leader of the syndicate? Your right why did he have Shiva abducted and tortured? Could he not have just approached him directly? 
Or is it possible that he only just took over the syndicate by getting rid of the Bishop? Sort of like a corporate takeover? You know hostile takeover? Pretty hostile coz didn't he get the Bishop to commit suicide? Chilling! 

But I just want to see now how they move this forward! What I find most interesting is Bairavi and her dynamic in his story! She is like this all seeing powerful being right now. She plays the major strategy. Not Rudy dearest! :) how superbly confused he looks these days? I feel very bad for Charles! His Nana is a horrible criminal with nefarious intentions! Waiting for his reaction when he finds out who Nanaji really is! 

Yes do PM me the next analysis! Thanks! 


Edited by sashashyam - 04 May 2015 at 5:22am

sashashyam IF-Sizzlerz
sashashyam
sashashyam

Joined: 04 January 2012
Posts: 13387

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 5:25am | IP Logged
Dear Sri,

Your idea, that Shubha shares,  that Rao  will turn out to be a triple agent, is one   that  I  would really like, if only to spare poor Shivanand and Tiwari the shock of finding out that their revered guru  was a traitor all along.

But somehow, I do not think this will play out that way. I would, however, be delighted to be proved wrong!

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by jayaks02

Shyamala Akka,
 
I read one Tamil novel in which an apparently so straight forward and full of Integrity Officer who is actually mentor to the hero is caught in enemy's camp. Hero gets the shock of his life is an understatement. This is IB-RAW etc. And then finally it is revealed that he is going there as one of the enemy camps but is a agent / spy of GOI to find out top military secrets.
 
So may be Rao's final avatar is not yet out !!!
sashashyam IF-Sizzlerz
sashashyam
sashashyam

Joined: 04 January 2012
Posts: 13387

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 5:58am | IP Logged
My dear Shruthi,

As usual, very impressive, and needs to be read with unwavering attention. I  will read it again tomorrow before I respond to it in detail.

But even on a first reading, I have definite reservations about what you have noted @blue.

Firstly, nowhere does Rao indicate  to his followers that he is not interested in the amrit. Far from it. In fact, after the gizmo arrives, what he tells Shivanand that is that with it,  they can track the vilupt  Saraswati and thus "get" the amrit, and Shivanand repeats what he said as his, Shivanand's own desire. Humein amrit milega! At that time, there were complaints in the forum that Shivanand and Rao were now out to get the amrit,and not just to protect it, as the garuds  were supposed to do.

So, it is not as though Rao has ever pretended not to be interested in the amrit. Thus it makes no sense that he would ask the 'Veshes to bribe or murder the kalpavasis in order to clear Sector 53. Shruthi, anyone with any sense would know what would happen if anything like this was attempted. For one thing Tiwari would have the 'Veshes locked up,  and would declare a curfew in the area under section 144 of the CrPC.

Instead of this inevitable mess, why would Rao not ask the DM, who knows all about what his guru  wants to use the Secfor 53 for (and it has already been officially allotted to Rao for the Project Ganga) , to clear the area so that their search for the amrit  could be carried on without any disturbance?  If he shown as choosing the 'Vesh option, it only  goes to prove that the Maya you are always talking about has occupied Utkarsh's brain and addled it!Wink

Secondly, it  is not true that Shivanand has ever hidden anything from his guru. Rao knows that Shivanand in a garud,  and he informs him that Charles and Tiwari are garuds  as well. That is when Shivanand announces proudly that Rudra is not just a garud  but the garud pramukh. I think this was something he found out at the fag end of his researches, and perhaps he did not meet Rao after that till he was kidnapped. If he had, he would have told him that at once, just  as he does  as soon as  he meets Rao again. 

At one point, I had wondered if Shiva was keeping his library a secret from Rao, and if that implied a certain lack of complete trust on his part in Rao, but that was immediately proved to be wrong.

No, Shruthi, this idea that Shiva hid things from Rao and so he had to be kidnapped just will not wash.

Veritas13 has floated an interesting idea, that the Cardinal was eliminated and the whole Secret Society taken over by Rao only recently, in a hostile takeover. This alternative would take care of my main grouse against this sudden twist - why did Rao have to have Shivanand kidnapped and tortured for all of 24 years - but not of the others that  I have listed in this  post. The Sector 53 issue, for example.

Then again, Greyerson  tells the 'Veshes  that he had never known that there was someone above the Bishop,  more powerful than he was. That would seem to indicate that Rao  had been there all along.

On the other hand,  this  hostile takeover idea would explain what the Cardinal (now a mere BishopWink) told Greyerson over the  phone some weeks back, just before Shivanand comes looking for the First Book and beats him up.

The Polish boss said then  that there had been many changes at the Polish end, and that there was a lot going on at the Mahakumbh that he, Greyerson, had no idea about. Both might fit in with a takeover by  Rao. If he has actually done that, he has also introduced a new insignia, the one he wears on his sleeve now.

Shubha and Sri (jayaks02) think that he will turn out to be a triple agent, which I  would like, if only to spare poor Shivanand and Tiwari the shock of finding out that their revered guru  was a traitor all along.

It is all very confusing. Let us see if there are any  real clarifications given this week.

However, on re-consideration, I agree with you that MB would never have activated the powers of the other garuds  so long as Rao was influencing them. In any case, even Rudra the Garuda Pramukh does not, after all his chakras  have been activated,  have anything like  the siddhis  MB  has. What we need at the earliest is her back story.

Your Mahabharata parallels are, as usual, fascinating. More about them soon.

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by shruthiravi

Shymaladi I am going to write a long winding post this time. Part of it I wrote in my stand alone post which you have already read. Part of it I will write here. First of all I agree completely to your analysis of Bairavi Dansh scene. That was a beauty and that dialogue " Mein kitaab dene nahin aayi hoon"Clap phew I was blown away.
 
Now coming to your points on Dr Rao. Do you know what is Dr Rao's biggest strength. Maya or illusion he has created as a researcher, teacher, working for the betterment of society blah, blah. And just like Bairavi if you look he is given play of words which he uses according to his will. You said Charles is with Rudra, Kat and Mai is also with Rudra. But how long. Rudra still trusts Bairavi which represents his heart. Dr Rao by clever play of words have alientated other Garuds from Bairavi and to some extent Rudra himself with that dialogue of Nagon ke saath hai. And if today if he refuse to sacrifice Leela darar badenga. Will live and die for you is one thing, but faced with situations, faced with calamity and their leader not taking the type of decision they want of course Rudra's hold on his team will reduce. Even in Harry Potter fed up with Harry's methods Ron his best friend walks out.
 
You asked Rao knew there was knowledge in the books that could have activated the Garud's power in the book and if Dr Rao had told that when Bairavi was there she would have done it. Really. After seeing Bairavi's deal making with Dansh do you really believe Bairavi would have done it. For me it is a definite no. Not only she wouldn't have done it, she would have found a plausible reason also for not doing it. Dr Rao is shrewd enough to understand the lady. By telling this info after she is gone, he is doing it to get the power back. Power on Garuds. Alientate them from Rudra. Make Rudra alone so that at the appropriate time his team itself will take him down or he can take him down. Understand that Rudra is the only person on whom Dr Rao is unable to put control thanks to Bairavi.
 
Now why take Shiva and put him in a torture if he would give info. Shiva if you look for all the gyaan shared with his guru has kept the info of him being the Garud and his son being the Garud secret from Dr Rao, which is clear from the fact that Dr Rao knows about Rudra only after Shiva comes back. So Dr Rao had a feeling Shiva is hiding info from him and by asking too many questions around Amrit he didn't want to draw attention towards him. If you look he is secretly searching Garuds, teaches about Garuds and Amrit in university but in front of Shiva he appears disinterested in Garuds and more interested in finding Saraswati. Perfect Illusion creation.
 
Now coming to why he didn't ask Tiwari to evacuate sector 53. Why would he. To Garuds he always appears as least interested in Amrit. Yes he knows about Project Amrit, but in front of Tiwari for him it is not a major business, but research of finding Saraswati is.
 
And in one hand if is creating rift among Garuds for which Rudra's actions are responsible too and on other hands he is splitting the Veshes, Nagas unity. In other words infighting among friends. In other words in name of Amrit he wants everyone to fight within themselves so that he can take the opportunity and get Amrit.
 
And Bairavi is using the exact same tactic by going to Nagas. She knows infighting between Garuds is eminent, she is starting infighting among Nagas. By keeping Dansh and Drish at logger heads, by keeping Leela and Dansh at logger heads she is proceeding.
 
Understand that Dr Rao is the biggest Maya or illusion of MK. Or people like him who are in our society who for their own benefits cause infighting among families, cultures, religions, regions and people are so lost in this Maya or illusion unable to listen to their conscience.
 
Rudra is a man with conscience and Bairavi is his conscience and to cut the illusion, you need illusion. Jaise seher, seher se hi kata jaata hai, maya maye se hi kaati jaati hai.
 
In Harry Potter Voldemort has his soul split into 7. The horcruxes and one of the horcrux was Harry himself. Same is the case with Dr Rao. He has cast his illusion over all including Garuda's themselves, especially Shiva the dimaag of Garuds. Now to some extent I can understand what Neelkanth means. Shiva is with Nagas the poision has grabbed the head and Rudra has to ensure it does not affect the rest of the body or rest of the Garuds. He has to ensure it doesn't go beneath the neck. In other words poison that is with Shiva has to be held with him only, one way or other. For that he has to liberate each and every Garud from Maya or illusion, from the rift and bring them together. Each Garud has to come to him willingly with trust on him, just like after running away Ron came back. When they come back their powers will be activated, but not before that. Bairavi will never activate the power of a Garud who has even the slightest belief in Dr Rao or Dr Rao having the slightest control over them.
 
And before I conclude I want to write something about Mahabharath also. Actually seedibaat made me think along this lines. I was so lost in the MB of 2013 that I forgot the real meaning of MB or what MB was all about, which was so very well explained in the title track of 1989 version.
 
" Katha ye purusharth ki hai, swarth ki. paramarth ki"
 
MB is the story of restoring purusharth from the selfish people to the right person by giving them the real knowledge which Lord Krishna does through Bagavad Gita.
 
So what is real knowledge. This is the first part of what I understand it. Understand that the Lord challenges the power and wealth of Kamsa by announcing upfront that as the eighth son of his sister he will kill him. And as expected Kamsa drags to Devaki and tries to kill her. And Vasudev bows in front of Kamsa because of the love he has for Devaki and tells not to kill her. He will give their son to Kamsa. And together they watch the brutal murders of their six babies but at no point Vasudev runs away leaving Devaki's hand leaving her and taking the baby. Nor does he gives her to Kamsa telling he just needs one son and he can kill Devaki. Why Lord decided he will be born as the eighth son of Devaki, not 1st, leave 1st why not 3rd or 4th. Because he wanted to test how far his father will go for protecting his mother because 8th son is possible only with her and without the 8th son there is no dharma. But Vasudev stands by Devaki, his love for his wife and the pain she is taking makes him give away the sons, but not her.
 
And yes the love they had for each other and the faith in Lord finally pays of when the Lord decides to come as her eighth born. Understand that when he is coming as Devaki's son, Lord himself requests Shakthi to born along side him as his sister . Note that Vishnu doesn't order Shakthi, but it is a loving request to come along with him as his sister. Shakthi takes the incarnation of Maya  and goes to protect him. In other words Lord Vishnu comes to the world with Maya because he knows without her, neither can he protect himself , and if he cant protect himself , he cannot protect the world.
 
So what is the knowledge. There are 2 things. One if you respect the woman in your life she will bring fame and glory to you. Just like loving and respecting Devaki, Vasudev became the father of Lord Vishnu himself. Second if you respect her, she will go any extent to protect you, just like Shakthi coming as Maya to protect Krishna. Last but not least Maya of power and wealth can only be broken by Maya of Love. Love is the only and the most powerful weapon against power and wealth. And if you listen to your conscience it will show whom to love and trust.
 
This knowledge Lord Krishna shows by his birth itself and for the world to understand it better shows what happens to a kul which disrespects its woman by Kurushtera war as well know the foundation of that war was laid in the infamous hall of dice where a woman is dragged and humiliated and no one willing to answer her question. The race will be wiped out. Prakriti ka naash Purush ka bhi naash hai. That's why when Panchali calls for help, he comes because he knows without protecting her, dharma cannot be protected. Changing point of MB is Krishna coming to save Panchali which terrorizes Driti and co and frees the bondages of Pandavas. By saving Uttara's baby again he shows by ensuring the marriage of Abhimanyu at the right time he ensures the race of dharma can be taken forward. And unlike the marriage of Ambalika, Ambika , Gandhari or Panchali who were forced to live their life not by choice ,but due to the situation forced on them, Uttara chooses Abhi on free will just like Subhadra who choose Arjun on free will. It is that race he carries forward because love and goodness exists in only that generation or that children where a woman is given the choice on who to be her life partner in true sense. In first part I have covered the importance of respect needs to be given to Prakriti. In second part I will cover what Prakriti or woman also need to do to get the love and respect. But I need some more data points to put that across.
 
I am more or less sure MK will show this message as I said in my earlier post, Triveni Sangamam is the joining point of knowledge, power and wealth.
 

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

shruthiravi

shruthiravi IF-Sizzlerz
shruthiravi
shruthiravi

Joined: 15 March 2013
Posts: 20524

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 6:03am | IP Logged
Shymaladi one question since I have not watched first week of MK as I was watching EHT at that time. When the abduction of Shiva happened was Dr Rao Greyson's boss? Dr Rao didn't know about Rudra being a Garud, but I guess he knew about Shiva being a Garud. Also if I remember right the cardinal was talking that Dr Rao was after Amrit and Shiva being his disciple knows a lot. Somehow I feel Dr Rao after knowing the story from Shiva on Polish group took over it taking power from cardinal as he wanted people running after Amrit under him. If that is the case some slight changes needed in my earlier post of mine in this thread.
 
But another theory that runs contrary to my above explanation is the fact that the cardinal knew Dr Rao was searching Amrit, then why they took Shiva only. That means Dr Rao was the boss then also. Coming to Shiva, Dr Rao knew about the existence of Shiva's library also post his return. That means Shiva was careful, very careful on the knowledge he was accumulating and have only given bits and pieces to his revered Guru.
 
Then why Dr Rao wants to alienate Nagas. Nagas are the powerful of the lot with lot of preparation and he knows by this time they have the info also. Taming Nagas is not in Dr Rao's control, but they have to be tamed one way or the other and their fury has to be taken by someone else. Else he knows in all probability Nagas will take Amrit. And from the preparation Dansh and co is having it is a real threat also. So he is pitting the veshes against Nagas so that he can be at the background and allow Veshes and Nagas to destroy each other.
 
Garuds anyways looks the least problem for Dr Rao minus Bairavi. If he can get past her, well that is it.

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

sashashyam

shruthiravi IF-Sizzlerz
shruthiravi
shruthiravi

Joined: 15 March 2013
Posts: 20524

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 6:15am | IP Logged
Shymaladi a triple agent will be a great idea as said by Jayaks as he can be the Snape. He has those intriguing looks in his eyes.
But coming to his lack of interest in Amrit. How can I say it. I cant explain to be frank. It's the way he tells the dialogues as if he is just supporting the mission as part of a team and he doesn't have any major interest in it. I mean the words he mouths and his eyes are disconnected. I mean very subtle but maybe I noticed it because from the day Rudra ran away from Dr Rao I have been observing him.
 
Also on second thoughts I have to agree to you on abduction part, yes Shiva will give the info and sector 53 clearing. Yes your thoughts again are logical .  Well I will wait on how veshes are going to do it. Will they use faith as a tool to mislead people. I want that and want that badly to be frank, because faith is the biggest Maya after power and wealth used to mislead people. God will be angry with you if you do x,y, z things. Shrap padenga, Ganga Maiyaa krudh hai kyunki ye pavitra sthan aapne apavithra kar diya blah blah by BaliveshLOLLOL. Believe me if such tactics is used no one will make any noise. Tiwari will not have to use one finger. People will evacuate the place on their own fearing Ganga Maiyya's shrapLOLLOLLOL
 
But Bairavi's expressions and her dealings are a treat to the eyes with every emotion including the twitching of the muscles giving it the perfect tone. She is a woman who keeps lot to herself. But when she talks if you look her words and eyes speak the same language. Something like she invokes that kind of a trust, which unfortunately for me Dr Rao or even Shiva doesn't evoke.


Edited by shruthiravi - 04 May 2015 at 6:23am

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

sashashyam

SingaporeFan Goldie
SingaporeFan
SingaporeFan

Joined: 19 March 2014
Posts: 1322

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 6:55am | IP Logged
Wonderful post as usual Shyamaladi...enjoyed reading toor analysis more than the actual episodes! 
There are just too many loopholes and illogical twists that I am not thinking much...Why was the need for MK to be shot in Poland and all those Cardinal, Greyson etc to be shown so extensively if they had no role to play in the future? I don't like the way the rest of the Garuds have been sidelined too '

Loved the Dansh- MB scene... It was the highlight of the week! 

Rao as the Villian!!...at least they could have taken a better actor! He is just so expressionless and unimpressiveCry

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

sashashyam

appukrish Senior Member
appukrish
appukrish

Joined: 09 October 2013
Posts: 740

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 7:06am | IP Logged
Originally posted by jayaks02

Originally posted by appukrish


Wow Shyamaladi, what analysis!

I completely agree with you about Prof.Rao. My thought would be the same as your in the para 'highly implausible' including the Naagbali part. Will wait and see what exactly is Rao and his position. 

Liked your writing here- When she passes his bullet test with flying colours - the shot of  a bullet being moulded to  fit the contours of her unwavering eye  was superb. my thought here was that, the 1st bullet she stops on time and the rest of the bullets seemed like Dansh was doing a target practice..

The MB-Dansh encounter was very good and your explanation made it great. Rahil has grown on all of us as a villainous Naag pramukh,  and He is good. Me too felt the same 'dil maange more'Smile.

Liked Shiva-Rudra scene at the library. MB is not around and has taken the books with her. While the other Garuds are angry I'm very glad Rudra didn't lose his faith in her, his Guru. Also glad that Rudra is at least constantly thinking about something or other. Respect for the Guru and faith in the Guru are of utmost importance, both of which the other Garuds are lacking right now.

At this point the other Garuds I feel are being useless and only dependent on their powers. They are just sitting around and waiting for MB activate their powers. Yes their powers have to be activated, but that does not mean they will just sit around. They can at least start analyzing things and become pro active in some way. This is why MB decided to leave I feel, so that they will put aside their differences, analyze, use their brain. 

And the way MB has dealt with them has shaken the little faith they may have developed in her. So lets see what she does towards that. 




Nice post.

Thank you JayaSmile

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

jayaks02

Arijit007 IF-Sizzlerz
Arijit007
Arijit007

Joined: 18 October 2012
Posts: 19830

Posted: 04 May 2015 at 7:20am | IP Logged
veshes and the secrete socity never knew that shivaaanand was a garud, rao knew. at first, i we thought he wasn't connected but we should have knew by the erliear dialogue of the cardinal/ bishop, that he was like them. but i think we have to see how deep he is with them. sab kaa khulaasaa hogaa aaj hi, par puraa nahi.

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

sashashyam

Go to top

Related Topics

  Topics Author Replies Views Last Post
Mahakumbh Written update 30-Apr-2015

Author: shruthiravi   Replies: 1   Views: 439

shruthiravi 1 439 02 May 2015 at 8:56am by -Swetha-
Mahakumbh Written Update 28th April 2015

Author: Arshics   Replies: 2   Views: 519

Arshics 2 519 29 April 2015 at 10:34pm by .Tanmaya.
Mahakumbh: Sign up for written updates

2 3

Author: mnx12   Replies: 22   Views: 4129

mnx12 22 4129 29 April 2015 at 5:06am by mnx12
MahaKumbh - New Spoiler :D

Author: -Swetha-   Replies: 0   Views: 555

-Swetha- 0 555 27 April 2015 at 4:51am by -Swetha-
who is the most unlucky charecter in mahakumbh?

Author: Arijit007   Replies: 8   Views: 859

Arijit007 8 859 26 April 2015 at 10:26pm by MrDarcyfan

Forum Quick Jump

Forum Category / Channels
Forums

Mahakumbh Topic Index

  • Please login to check your Last 10 Topics posted

Check these Celebrity also

Disclaimer: All Logos and Pictures of various Channels, Shows, Artistes, Media Houses, Companies, Brands etc. belong to their respective owners, and are used to merely visually identify the Channels, Shows, Companies, Brands, etc. to the viewer. Incase of any issue please contact the webmaster.

Popular Channels :
Star Plus | Zee TV | Sony TV | Colors TV | SAB TV | Life OK

Quick Links :
Top 100 TV Celebrities | Top 100 Bollywood Celebs | About Us | Contact Us | Advertise | Forum Index