Originally posted by fqsb
Originally posted by nevah_mind
Originally posted by -Amri-
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I don't think it's a good idea. Especially after how much of goodwill the channel has managed to win with all its shows.</font>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I hhow. I am not so narrow-minded to think that there is only one side to the story. That's why it is said that there is no history, there are histories. I am very well aware that both countries have suffered immensely and are still trying to come to terms with this horrifying, tortuous event, which involved human rights violations and retributive genocides on both sides.</font>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">But sometimes I think- am I really so broad-minded? I do not take offence at the slightest of things, and I am not jingoistic- but there are some things that are soingrained in me that I cannot let go of them- patriotic fervour, for one.</font>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">And the anti-Gandhi rhetoric being spoken of - that makes me very uncomfortable from the word go. I would probably have to summon a lot of courage before I start watching this series, so that I have the objectivity that it demands.</font>
completely agree. I'm very open minded when it comes to religion (my fiance is a Muslim, and I'm not, so that should pretty much show how I am where religion is concerned. Can it be more open minded than that?) But where it is our (his and mine) country, we have very strong feelings about it.
Both of us couldn't take the anti-India stance in Dastaan. It was hurtful and accusing, as though we were the only ones causing the atrocities and they were the only ones who suffered. The few dialogues in between very clearly and strongly indicated that. So covering it up by a Sikh saving Bano and a Pakistani raping her again in the end, is not good enough as appeasement or a cover up for an Indian viewer, by and large.
I doubt that unless someone is a huge huge huge huge fan of Fawad and Sanam, these issues will be overlooked, unless its edited AND it doesn't drive people to go and watch the original episodes online.
Having said that, I will also quote something that my fiance mentioned. That because its India, we're not only considering airing it, but we're also actually airing it (edited or not) which only we will do because by and large, even when there are protests, there are enough people who voice out opinions in support.
The people who protest are unemployed goondas. They know nothing about Hinduism, which is obvious with their actions. To add to this, we don't have top celebs who have huge fan followings spread these negative things.
I was reading Hamza Ali Abbas' FB page and the hatred he has against India is sickening. If SRK or HR or anyone of that stature made comments like that about Pak, they would have got a lot of flak from the vocal ones, whose voices would have been even louder.
For all the protest about PK, there are people who are shouting right back and telling them to stop being bigoted, narrow minded, blind rogues.
You can see that open practical mind right here, in this forum. So many of us are willing to just look at the story of 2 individuals during a historic event. Which IMO, is extremely big hearted and open minded. But that also doesn't mean that people who don't like it are narrow minded. Yes, people who get physically violent and are offensive in their defense are, but not those who decide that its hurtful and voice that opinion.
With all the references made to the movies/series made in India about partition, it doesn't hold any justification in this regard.
Yes, we have made movies, but Pakistan even banned Veer Zara, for reasons best known to them. Not grudging them, I'm sure they have their reasons.
So what I'm trying to say is that just because we also have stories made on partition, is no justification for us to air/telecast/release their version in their movies.
People who have watched Buniyaad, a soap in the 80's about partition will know that we have also made a TV show, which was a love story set in the time of partition. So beautifully and sensitively made, without throwing mud on anyone's face. There are all kinds of things and feelings out there. We should look at all before we beat ourselves up so much over it.
With all due respect, a Pakistani project has no need to "appease" Indian sensitivities by adding any plotlines or characters and it would be arrogant of anybody to imagine so. There is a long list of virulently anti-Pakistani productions from India and "appeasing" Pakistan wasnt their motivation. Pakistanis have the right to tell their own truth and they have no reason to be apologetic about this.
Typical case of not getting the point. Of course you have a right to tell your story, but if your makers are okay with an edit, and change in name of your story for another market, how does it become "apologetic"?
You have missed the whole point in the discussion, and I really don't want to engage with someone who has a tone like yours, which doesn't see another's point of view at all.
Your holier than thou stance about India considering airing such a show is amusing when even the Pakistan Zindabad slogan was edited out of Nurpur ki Rani and at the time of the current PK controversy and the constant tenterhooks on which Indian Muslim actors are placed.
Your words are offensive, and I will say it again that I will not engage with people who are here only to justify their stance without giving the other side a chance.
Not once have I voiced my opinions, without giving due regard to the other side and since you cannot reciprocate the same, you should find yourself another site, definitely not one called INDIA forums for your rants.
Pakistanis have received countless Indian films with negative representations about Pakistan without belligerently setting fire to cinemas. Even in a film supposedly centered on love like Veer Zaara, Pakistan was depicted as repressive and backward as the Rani Mukherjee character went around wearing a dupatta on her head 24/7 while in India people were perpetually dancing and singing songs of love while the fields somehow miraculously produced endless bounties. Pakistanis have long learned to roll their eyes at such hypocrisy and move on, Indian films are shown in Pakistani cinemas and TV channels, Indian dramas and shows on TV and because Pakistanis have had exposure to Indian entertainment ever since 1947, we can see Indua as a more multi-faceted reality despite the hostility that may be directed at Pak.
By all means boycott, ban or whatever you want to do with our movies. Please don't "receive" our movies. Believe you me, our movies are made with us in mind and not you or any other country. No one is doing us any favour by watching our "repressive, hypocritic stories or movies.
I truly wonder that with an attitude and outlook like that for our movies, why you have made an account on this site! Rhetorical question. Don't bother to answer.
The same is not true of India as this exposure to Pakistani stories and art is very limited in India and has just begun. It will take a long time before the humanity of the Pakistani people is fully understood across the border when so much effort has been invested politically in negative representations. I dont buy the excuse that its only the uneducated who back the anti-PK protests. One look at Twitter and the hatred spewed by plenty of English speaking Indians is enough to dismiss that claim.
As for Hamza Ali Abbassi, he has clearly cautioned people on his Facebook account not to hate Indians or Americans as people because of bad policies by their govts. Its funny how you ignored that. There is a long list of hateful comments, pathetically shameful portrayals of Pakistanis and stereotypical portrayals of Muslims in Indian entertainment. Pakistan hasnt produced even a FRACTION of such negativity and you can take as much time as you want to research that.
Food for thought. I'd like your research to tell me how many of your tv shows even show non-Muslims in your day to day lives.
I don't know what you watch, but all the stories I remember showing INDIAN Muslim, show them in very very good light. Lakshya, K3G, KKHH, only to name a few...
P.S. Edited to add: don't bother to respond to my "food for thought"... Am not looking for answers from you. I pretty much get the larger picture
Seems like you follow hatred and stuff, because that's all you can see. There is hatred everywhere, but I look at positivity. Yet another reason, I don't want to discuss this with you.
Having said all this, I dont think Daastaan should be aired in India. The fact that the solution offered is to butcher the show by removing any dialogues that might offend Indians is itself ironic considering the fact that this is supposed to be proof of the "tolerance" involved. How far will the show be edited when the channel doesnt feel comfortable with the mere words Pakistan Zindabad? Its best to not air it because clearly its only too convenient a target for those who dont want the Pakistani narrative to be given any space.
We were discussing this issue here. This is a "discussion" Not a thread for "one man up-ship" or sarcasm or rants to derail it.
Sorry, we're going back on track now.
Have a great day!