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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 10:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Soaps1

All i know is right or wrong, good or bad Sahir as a character makes sense in the context of his past and story ... arzoo doesn't ... she may have a heart of gold or whatever but her character doesn't make sense ... she talks big ... shown as strong ... but she is just impulsive, immature and weak! Who whines and all she thinks about is how she has been wronged! One of our strongest character traits is to be able to look inside us, to see where we are wrong ... and arzoo is so engulfed in her self pity state all the time that she never realizes that her expectations and actions could be wrong too! 
Also i don't agree Sahir is totally ruthless ... yes when it comes to certain things he is ... but he won't bug you until you don't become a problem for him! He was caring towards his family, towards arzoo and her family ... he is only ruthless when it comes to his business ... because that is linked to his promise ,his past, the challenge that turned his life upside down!

Hello Soaps honestly I don't care about  morality here. He might have been good to her in the past but right now he is totally obsessed with his promise. Didn't you see the way he said about keeping promises to Satan and Humans hahahaha Right now Sahir is wrong and that is what keeps me glued and honestly I dont care how Arzoo finds out I just want to see if she is smart enough to catch. And honestly I love it heheheEmbarrassed

I never said Sahir was always bad I am saying is that he is a determined soul. He obviously hates playing with her feelings but the thirst for revenge and the obsession of Zeenat's promise killed the emotional Sahir for the moment. All he cares is to finish it and I am fully supporting him because Arzoo honestly sorry to say is actually a pathetic soul.

cry cry cry cry
hopefully she will get out of it and pick up the rest of her pieces of dignity broken.

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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 10:49pm | IP Logged
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So first of all let me tell you I love Jane Eyre and always cherished it. And honestly I think I was more able to connect with Edward Rochester's character. I think from what I saw Sahir is an
example of the Byronic hero, he like Rochester is a passionate man, often guided by his senses rather than by his rational mind.  


Where was I? Yeah ...

Sahir - He is the epitome of the archetype brooding, ruthless man with a past - which is surprisingly reasonable and dark - to back his behavior. In fact, honestly I didn't expect he was married and that too for the last 7 years (I thought 8 years was the norm . . . but oh well) no matter to a comatose ( evil with a gold digger heart...blah blah - still can't she is his living wife). It tells us a lot about his loyalty and true devotion to his wife Zeenat. I will restrain myself from calling her his first wife because he is only married to her.

@Bold I agree to the loyalty bit and one more thing that I always felt that maybe Zeenat's complete truth is not even known by all members of the family I just have this feeling Ouch don't know why though IMO Confused

He was a dream to me I mean I didn't like him in the beginning considering he is the reason Arzoo and her family lost their only income. (I still don't understand the whole brooding hero concept but whatever they are sexy).

Sahir is not evil but not too good too. He is going to be the troublemaker of her life and he is the only one who is going to be solving it. He has a wife who is in coma - alive. Now let us think about his past. He looked like any young husband who has fallen in love with his beautiful (insert gag) wife but apparently the only flashbacks we see are her taunting his abilities of being a true business. Unfortunately its true in business you are only successful if you are a practical and rational decision maker who doesn't consider emotions . . . just like the way I hear music while doing maths - it makes me feel ration . . . and . . . I don't know why I added this point.

I believe his imperfection is what draws us to him.
 
@Bold you've summed up his character in two lines so perfectly



He is real, truly in the flesh. He is a guy who is insecure, who doesn't trust his emotions. He believes what he sees because reality is what serves before your eyes. Is he actually jealous, is he in love? I dunno really because I think even he loved an image of Arzoo, a perspective that he made out of her. I mean imagine 7 years of celibacy (maybe I dunno) and suddenly he falls in love with this kalki ay chori within a few months? 

To him Arzoo was an innocent women whose life was marred with difficulties. Her father disowned her and its a pretty big thing to me. He has an image of her as a pure woman who is honest, hardworking and cannot stand injustice. A woman who doesn't love money and power but believes in talent and brilliancy. He loved her character of (let us face it she is a pure untouched virgin *rolls eyes* coz having sex before marriage is still a taboo and hence she is no sl*t *rolls eyes again*) And so when suddenly her image infront of her breaks into pieces thus it kills him as to why he believed that his "ideal" woman exists. He thought - how much of an idiot am I? Hasn't Zeenat taught me a lesson already? This is the real word and mataji woman like Arzoo hardly exist (Note: Sahir has not used the word mataji I did) (Another Note: Sorry I cannot be too good like her).

Sahir is everything Arzoo hates. He is a liar, a seducer, a manipulator, the satan of her (mine too) life and also the angel. More like the dark angel. And that is what makes me love his character. He is a wounded hero, according to Merriam-Webster, an anti-hero is 'a protagonist or notable figure who is conspicuously lacking in heroic qualities.' In other words, he is flawed. And that is what makes us love him.


The line above is just Clap it does also makes us relate to him cause we're also flawed no one is a saint


Yes we all can go on hating him, verbally abusing him but at the end of the day we all are hooked we want Arzoo to find out the truth about his intentions and I think we are going to be rewarded with a beautiful independent Lucknow vali Arzoo - hopefully.WinkWinkWink

I so want this track LOL

What makes this story about their love beautiful is the hate. The reasons they can't be together, Zeenat, him being married, Arzoo (hopefully) won't marry him until he divorces Zeenat because it would totally kill Arzoo's character.  I don't even understand why did they give her such a past considering it was supposed to make her strong yet all she does is whine and cry about how her father did this her father did that. Honestly Arzoo my dad used to beat my mom she hasn't left him yet I still live with him but I also don't consider him my father. But I am not whining am I? Self-pity won't help love. I am sorry I got a little personal here but I don't see the justification to her. Really I think all the strong woman in us hates her development. The reason of her factory to be blown and her only source of income. Arzoo has A LOT of reasons to hate him and now the love ploy. Now the story is how she fights it and how and what he does to get to her.

And honestly I think the whole confession plot is a total paisa-vasool.Big smileBig smileBig smile

Clap

I am sorry I got a little personal here but I don't see the justification to her. Really I think all the strong woman in us hates her development. CryCryCry

Star Star Star

Oh well I am sorry to say but I am loving evil manipulative Sahir. 
 
Don't be! I love that too Wink cause one he gets all the more smexy & two unpredictable

 Enough of good guys let us see if Arzoo is smart enough to catch him.

True that Evil Smile



AND I GOT A NEW PHONE!!!!Big smileBig smileBig smile

Congrats for your phone Embarrassed





Thankyou IManam!!! I feel so appreciated hahaha hopefully Humsafars will get us hooked even more yayyy

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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 10:50pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Bujee09

Originally posted by feminist

omggg Bujeee api I just love it when you reply you always make my day hahaha you know you are one of the reasons I always love to come this forum. I feel so weird if I do not see you reply any posts. you are our helper queen thaaank you I really appreciate it

and yeah hopefully she will come to her senses and Sahir down hahaha
Hug welcome ...aur humara naam Raji hain Wink bujee hamari kiddo ka petname hain Big smile

OK Raji apiii!!!! Hahaha bujee is such a cute name!!!! Big smileBig smileBig smile


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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 10:53pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by VD927

Great post as usual feminist! He is certainly the Austen hero personified. There is something very attractive about the 'brooding' types who walk around with a permenant scowl and looking down on 99.9 % of the people they meet. When they hate, they hate but when they love, boy do they love. If Sahir was just 'nice' Sahir, we all certainly wouldn't love him as much and I bet you Aarzoo wouldn't either. She seems like the type to like bad boys LOL
I just love the fact he is mixing stuff up in the current track. He is confessing real feelings but also doing everything in his power to get Arzoo. He certainly didn't sacrifice his love as would be expected of a 'real' hero. And he is still laying games woth Zaki and Rehman. And in all of this nowhere has he mentioned the wife in a coma! The guy is so ruthless! I just love him!!

Great post again!

Hahaha we are cracked on the head lol I don't think we could really love him in reality hehehehe we need doctor EmbarrassedEmbarrassed
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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 11:11pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Junoonian

Originally posted by feminist

NOTE: If you are one of those people who want a man who is ruthless, aggressive but soft-hearted and caring on the inside. Then please you can leave because let me tell you I had enough with "good-guys" bullshit because honestly these so-called nice guys are only nice till you say no to their bed invitation. So yeah hahaha.

I think i can safely read on lol. 
So first of all let me tell you I love Jane Eyre and always cherished it. And honestly I think I was more able to connect with Edward Rochester's character. I think from what I saw Sahir is an
example of the Byronic hero, he like Rochester is a passionate man, often guided by his senses rather than by his rational mind. 
wow . . . I feel like I have written a poetry.
(ignores you all rolling eyes at me)
 Not rolling eyes. Agree. He is definitely a man led by his senses.
Where was I? Yeah ...

Sahir - He is the epitome of the archetype brooding, ruthless man with a past - which is surprisingly reasonable and dark - to back his behavior. In fact, honestly I didn't expect he was married and that too for the last 7 years (I thought 8 years was the norm . . . but oh well) no matter to a comatose ( evil with a gold digger heart...blah blah - still can't she is his living wife). It tells us a lot about his loyalty and true devotion to his wife Zeenat. I will restrain myself from calling her his first wife because he is only married to her.

He was a dream to me I mean I didn't like him in the beginning considering he is the reason Arzoo and her family lost their only income. (I still don't understand the whole brooding hero concept but whatever they are sexy).

Sahir is not evil but not too good too. He is going to be the troublemaker of her life and he is the only one who is going to be solving it. He has a wife who is in coma - alive. Now let us think about his past. He looked like any young husband who has fallen in love with his beautiful (insert gag) wife but apparently the only flashbacks we see are her taunting his abilities of being a true business. Unfortunately its true in business you are only successful if you are a practical and rational decision maker who doesn't consider emotions . . . just like the way I hear music while doing maths - it makes me feel ration . . . and . . . I don't know why I added this point.

Moving on...

I believe his imperfection is what draws us to him. Even though he has truly wronged Arzoo in many ways. When we hear the word 'hero,' certain images come to mind. We might see Superman swooping in to save Lois Lane but he is no superman. No he wears his chuddy inside his pants. I wonder what type. EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed. Not that I mind if he would wear it on top of his pants. I always drool anywhere anytime. Ha.LOL

He is real, truly in the flesh. He is a guy who is insecure, who doesn't trust his emotions. He believes what he sees because reality is what serves before your eyes. Is he actually jealous, is he in love? I dunno really because I think even he loved an image of Arzoo, a perspective that he made out of her. I mean imagine 7 years of celibacy (maybe I dunno) and suddenly he falls in love with this kalki ay chori within a few months? 

To him Arzoo was an innocent women whose life was marred with difficulties. Her father disowned her and its a pretty big thing to me. He has an image of her as a pure woman who is honest, hardworking and cannot stand injustice. A woman who doesn't love money and power but believes in talent and brilliancy. He loved her character of (let us face it she is a pure untouched virgin *rolls eyes* coz having sex before marriage is still a taboo and hence she is no sl*t *rolls eyes again*) And so when suddenly her image infront of her breaks into pieces thus it kills him as to why he believed that his "ideal" woman exists. He thought - how much of an idiot am I? Hasn't Zeenat taught me a lesson already? This is the real word and mataji woman like Arzoo hardly exist (Note: Sahir has not used the word mataji I did) (Another Note: Sorry I cannot be too good like her).
 Nicely analysed Feminist Smile
Sahir is everything Arzoo hates. He is a liar, a seducer, a manipulator, the satan of her (mine too) life and also the angel. More like the dark angel. And that is what makes me love his character. He is a wounded hero, according to Merriam-Webster, an anti-hero is 'a protagonist or notable figure who is conspicuously lacking in heroic qualities.' In other words, he is flawed. And that is what makes us love him. 
 Dark angel... what a lovely description for Sahir. 
Yes we all can go on hating him, verbally abusing him but at the end of the day we all are hooked we want Arzoo to find out the truth about his intentions and I think we are going to be rewarded with a beautiful independent Lucknow vali Arzoo - hopefully.WinkWinkWink
 Hmmm... let us see. I think with a few exceptions most viewers (someone calls them the TRP aunties) like the bloody abala nari act. The victim that makes the hero more heroic. I really hope they have the guts to make Arzoo consistent n courageous and a match for her Gabbar Choudhary.
What makes this story about their love beautiful is the hate. The reasons they can't be together, Zeenat, him being married, Arzoo (hopefully) won't marry him until he divorces Zeenat because it would totally kill Arzoo's character.  I don't even understand why did they give her such a past considering it was supposed to make her strong yet all she does is whine and cry about how her father did this her father did that. Honestly Arzoo my dad used to beat my mom she hasn't left him yet I still live with him but I also don't consider him my father. But I am not whining am I? Self-pity won't help love.  Self pity doesn't help. Ever. No in love. Not in life. And good for you to have the courage to call a spade a spade. Virtual hugs from me darling.
am sorry I got a little personal here but I don't see the justification to her. Really I think all the strong woman in us hates her development. The reason of her factory to be blown and her only source of income. Arzoo has A LOT of reasons to hate him and now the love ploy. Now the story is how she fights it and how and what he does to get to her.
 It will be fun to  see Sahir wooing her. And i really hope he doesn't  become a Devdas. I. Hate. Devdas. LOSER.
And honestly I think the whole confession plot is a total paisa-vasool.Big smileBig smileBig smile
 Totally agree. If i could whistle i would have. But as it was I was too busy drooling and being jealous. 
I am sorry I got a little personal here but I don't see the justification to her. Really I think all the strong woman in us hates her development. CryCryCry
 Ummm i won't say i hate her development yet despite the silent  act and the whole trust Zaki unquestioningly bit... there is still hope. And she does keep redeeming herself every once in a while... but i have to say the girl is thick skinned. Can't she see how much Sahir is into her! Or for that matter Zaki also. 
In the pre cap she tells Sahir about Zaki showing her around mumbai - naivet or insensitivity? No wonder she choked!
Oh well I am sorry to say but I am loving evil manipulative Sahir. Enough of good guys let us see if Arzoo is smart enough to catch him. 
 Me too! LOVING SAHIR. 
P.S: I think they shouldn't have revealed the secret of Zeenat and Sahir's relationship as married. Was too early and now they left it hanging. BTW I loved Arzoo's expression of ignorance when Sahir did the setup drama. Haha she was like Sleepy excuse me! ClapClapClap


AND I GOT A NEW PHONE!!!!Big smileBig smileBig smile

 What did you name your phone? LOL





Thankyou apu!!! yaaay I was waiting for your reply! So nice of you *virtually hugs you back tightly* 
I am scared of trp aunties too they are sooo annoying ugggh. But Sahir oh Sahir sigh I don't blame Arzoo for easily being tempted by him how much experience does she have with the male beauty? 

I did not name my phone anything...CryCryCry Ideas?Embarrassed

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Posted: 22 December 2014 at 11:41pm | IP Logged
Fem You always rock girl !!! I love your posts because they are always so candid and funny Smile Before I comment on your post I want to say that I loved your previous DP, it was just so you Smile N yeah, congrats for you new phone, don;t tell me its an Iphone Tongue
Phew, with personal things out of the way, let me get back to matters at hand. Before I start my tirade, let me say that Sahir totally nailed it yesterday. I wouldn't really call him an anti-hero, because an anti-hero does not have any scruples, but this guy does seem to have some and more. He is manipulative and wicked, but only when he wants something badly enough. Otherwise he is a quintessential suave, man of the world guy who makes a perfect head of the family.

Many people have compared him to Edward, but looking at Zeenat's upcoming track,  I identify him more as Maxim, the protagonist in Rebecca. There are many parallels here, Maxim is a reserved, rich guy, with a past that he hides religiously, has a manipulative nanny like Kurti apa, marries a young girl who later believes that he is still in love in his first wife. But the truth is, he abhors his dead wife due to her taunts and numerous affairs that she flings in his face all the time and ultimately ends up killing her. Whenever I look at Sahir's reaction to Zeenat, I get reminded of Maxim, and understand why there is no love in his eyes when he looks at her and why he is so hell bent on proving her wrong about him. 

Ok enough of the story, let me talk about Humsafars. Let me start with Sahir first, coz he is my fav guy right now Day Dreaming I am terribly enamored by him, not just because he's hotDay Dreaming but also because the guy uses his brain and doesn't mind using emotional blackmail as his weapon to get what he wants. N is he really wrong in doing that? No I don't think so at all. Sahir knows for sure that Arzoo has feelings for him, and he is not immune to her either, so if he can use her admission to keep his brother off who is making a fool of himself by believing that Arzoo loves him, he will kill two birds with one stone. One, he will be able to open Zaki's eyes to the fact that Arzoo isn't in love with him, and two, once Zaki realizes the truth, he might agree to marry Sam, which will help to appease Rehman and seal the deal finally. 

He is being devious only to get her to admit her true feelings for him, if he is sure that she is indeed in love with him, he can go ahead and make his next move. I say this because earlier when he thought that she was preggy with Zaki's kid, he refused to bow down to Rehman's blackmailing tactics even at the cost of losing his deal. Now the tables are turned, Sam is preggy, Arzoo loves him, and Rehman will hand him the deal on a platter if he can get Zaki and Sam hooked together. So its a win-win situation all around, the only catch here is that he doesn't know that Sam is lying and phasoing Zaki. Wonder what will Sahir do when he finds out that Zaki is not the father of Sam's baby. Now this is one track that I am really looking forward to. 

N Fem, your anti -hero has feelingsTongue, don;t think he was lying when he told Arzoo he loves her and later when he comes to her room seeking answers, his unshed tears are real too. I was Clap when Sahir said ki when I told you ki door raho mujhse, you didn't listen, and now when I tell you I love you (meaning you got what you wanted) all you have to offer me is tears ?  I felt like Hug the guy, poor fellow, who wouldn't be confused with a girl like Arzoo around ? She is all around him, touches him whenever she gets the chance, she hugs him tight at the hospital, walks into his room unannounced all the time, behaves like a wife when the coffee falls on him, gets into an eyelock at any given moment, romances him unabashedly on her bday eve and yet when he tells her he loves her, runs like she has seen a ghost ! Really ? You didn't see it coming girl? Not even after he said suggestive things like when the moon's roshni touches you...ahem ahem...

Ok now coming to Arzoo, my gripe is her inconsistency. The girl who was supposed to be a fighter has been reduced to a tearful old bollywood style FL. Though her mahanta characteristic bothers me, what bugs me more is her proximity with Zaki. Her background is of a small town girl who has grown in a family without a man at its helm. So its pretty understandable that she falls for Sahir but her equation with Zaki is unfathomable, especially because she knows she is in love with Sahir. Correct me if I am wrong, but most girls when they fall in love generally tend to draw a line with their male friends because they do not want any misunderstandings to crop up between them. 

Can't understand how Arzoo lets Zaki feed her cake after such a passionate eve with Sahir!  I am pretty open minded and have been there, done it all and yet this bit doesn't go down my throat and for the first time, I am really irritated with Arzoo. How can she let Zaki hold her hand, tell her what she means to him, without correcting him even once. Its like she is enjoying all the attention he is showering on her, and she does it without drawing a parallel to the eve she has just spent with Sahir ? 
Though I have always supported Arzoo and thus my DP, today I am feeling really let down. She may be upset with Sahir but ti doesn't justify her actions with Zaki, she is letting him get away with too many liberties that a normal in love girl wouldn't do.

Sahir is just so Muaahhh the next morning !!! His analogy is just so spot on, he is indeed like the knife that is double edged, but a knife without a sharp edge is nothing. Sahir is likeable because of his sharky streak otherwise he wouldn't be so sexy,  would he?  Clap to the writer for these lines. His apology is just to die for and what does Arzoo do , just nod  her head despite his admission that he will always love her but won't say it to her ever again. Cmon girl, is this how women react when the man of your dream tells you that he is sincerely sorry for hurting u and being out of line ? Cvs please get a better writer for Arzoo. I could write a lot more Fem, but it'll be like hijacking your post, so will vent out my frustration by making a new thread all together. Big smile Yeah, its time to change my DP too I guess Cry





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I am not able to quote n reply :/
If your phone is as important to your existence as mine is - it is my office too - then i wld suggest Humsafar. Insaan humsafar ho sakte hain toh phone kyun nahi?? LOL

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@Fem you can call me "Anam" 
don't kill me but that's my actual name LOL 

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