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Posted: 10 March 2015 at 10:36pm | IP Logged
IMO Trying to understand Islam by cherry-picking verses from the Quran is like trying to understand modern Judaism by looking only at the Torah, and ignoring the Rabbinic interpretation that has made the religion what it is today; or trying to understand Christianity by looking only at the Old/New Testament/Bible. 

Take a look at this:

And this:
Suppose you should hear in one of your cities, which the Lord your God is giving you as a place to live, that some evil people have departed from among you to entice the inhabitants of their cities, saying, "Let's go and serve other gods" (whom you have not known before). You must investigate thoroughly and inquire carefully. If it is indeed true that such a disgraceful thing is being done among you, you must by all means slaughter the inhabitants of that city with the sword; annihilate with the sword everyone in it, as well as the livestock. You must gather all of its plunder into the middle of the plaza and burn the city and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. It will be an abandoned ruin forever - it must never be rebuilt again. (Deuteronomy 13:13-18)

Now, should we judge Christianity based solely on what is written in the books? 

No, because a purely textual based way of interpreting the religion ignores the fact that the writings have to be understood within the cultural context of the times when they were written and that a lot of the writings are simply not applicable today. Cherry-picking verses to argue that a religion justifies violence or intolerance ignores the millennia of interpretation & scholarly analysis and as you pointed out, is exactly what terrorists do to argue that Islam justifies violence. 


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Posted: 11 March 2015 at 7:16am | IP Logged
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My reaction to reading the Quran circa 2012

http://www.returntohades.com/2012/04/08/wrapping-up-the-quran/

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Posted: 11 March 2015 at 2:18pm | IP Logged
Can't they change these words or phrases? Or have they already changed them?

I read somewhere that ISIS trains its members through religious texts. They first teach them through old books on religion and insist that modern Islam is not as pure or as accurate.


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" Or restrictions of how one can't marry non Islamic beings or one shouldn't worship Idols makes the religion sound very narrow minded and not as tolerant''
As far as I know every religion says things like that. In hinduism people arent even allowed to marry outside their caste. Its unfair to call a religion narrow-minded based on these lines only. Yes, worshipping idols is not allowed. Worshipping is also not allowed in  Christianity, Judaism and abrahamic religions. So idk why you only chose Islam. If you actually read Quran then you would know that one of the biggest sin is hurting,insulting someone. According to Islam not even Allah can forgive that person who has hurt someone intentionally. The person who has been hurt is the only one who can forgive. Yes we are not allowed to worship and yes we have to follow Mohammad and Allah because thats the essence of our religion. If we do not follow these rules then we will be punished. Almost every religion has certain rules and if those rules are not followed then the followers will be punished according to the scriptures. If these rules make Islam narrow-minded then all other religions are no different. Although personally I do not think any religion is narrow-minded just because they have strict rules.


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Originally posted by .Sad.But.True.

" Or restrictions of how one can't marry non Islamic beings or one shouldn't worship Idols makes the religion sound very narrow minded and not as tolerant''
As far as I know every religion says things like that. In hinduism people arent even allowed to marry outside their caste. Its unfair to call a religion narrow-minded based on these lines only. Yes, worshipping idols is not allowed. Worshipping is also not allowed in  Christianity, Judaism and abrahamic religions. So idk why you only chose Islam. If you actually read Quran then you would know that one of the biggest sin is hurting,insulting someone. According to Islam not even Allah can forgive that person who has hurt someone intentionally. The person who has been hurt is the only one who can forgive. Yes we are not allowed to worship and yes we have to follow Mohammad and Allah because thats the essence of our religion. If we do not follow these rules then we will be punished. Almost every religion has certain rules and if those rules are not followed then the followers will be punished according to the scriptures. If these rules make Islam narrow-minded then all other religions are no different. Although personally I do not think any religion is narrow-minded just because they have strict rules.


How much of a dept knowledge do people really have on their own religions beliefs? Where do these religion beliefs come from? What unique evidence is there for your religion or worldview on your religion? Can you prove that what you say about your religion  is true?

Just the fact that you believe in God is a narrow minded belief. If there are many gods, then, of course, it is a totally narrow minded belief to pick just one.  But, if there is only one God, it would be foolish to insist on more, right, so which is it, one God or Many? And if it's many which one is real...



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Originally posted by 9tanki

Originally posted by .Sad.But.True.

 In hinduism people arent even allowed to marry outside their caste. Its unfair to call a religion narrow-minded based on these lines only. Yes, worshipping idols is not allowed. Worshipping is also not allowed in  Christianity
I beg to differ, there is nothing mentioned in hindu vedas about restriction on marrying outside the caste because when vedas were written no other religion existed. Infact there are 7-8 type of marriages described in the vedas ( marriages right from mutual understanding to love marriage).

In hinduism people can worship idol or without idol but there is no restriction. There is reason behind idol worship, mind without focus often tend to wonder here and there. With idol people meditate God with a focus and God image comes in their mind and people feel they are directly talking/giving message to the God. Another example is a letter without address will never reach right destination. Thats why hindu worship idol, they think their message is directly passed to the God but its left on individual, they can still worship  without idol too.
I wasnt talking about Vedas. But you cant deny that there  existed (or still exists in some places)caste system in hinduism. . Not only that there are rituals like sati practice and Purushamedha(vedic practice as far as I know) etc. Please understand that I am not trying to bash hinduism. I am just trying to say that there are strict rules, rituals, beliefs in every religion. I am not against hindus worshipping idols. Thanks for letting me know the philosophy behind it. Just so you know Muslims  do not worship idols because for us our creation can't symbolize the power of Almighty and his power is beyond our human imagination but that does not mean we are allowed to insult people who worship idols or believe in such concept. :)Smile

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