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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 8:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .RadhaKrishnan.

Pon Radhakrishnan gave some assurance but actually its eyewash and brought fishermen under their control  ,


still there is no official contact with SL but pon promised them they wont be like congress
he minded Assembly election of TN ..lolz

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 8:58am | IP Logged
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Kachchatheevu was a disputed territory till 1974. In 1921, British Ceylon and British India agreed to jointly administer the region though there are different versions of what constituted administration (Examples: Ceylon only gets to fish while Madras gets ownership, Ceylon gets ownership while Madras retains revenue collection rights). Sri Lankans used the island as frequently as Indians did. Some historians even claim that Kachchatheevu was partly governed by Portuguese Ceylon (Book called 'History of Ceylon' - 1685) or as early as 1855. There are official correspondences stating that Survey Officers of British India treated the Island as part of Ceylon as far back as 1876 though there's evidence supporting Indian administrative claims. In conclusion, both sides have a lot of evidence to show the island belongs to them. 

ONLY In the year of 1920 srilankan govt started to say that katchtheevu belongs to them.
Before independence it was one of eight island under the control of ramanathapuram sethupathu kings
rameshwaram & 11 other island are formed in bay of bengal which are

1 rameshwaram

2 kuthukal

3 punavasal

4 muyal theevu

5 pumarison theevu

6 mulai theevu

7 manal theevu

8 Kachcha theevu/vali theevu

9 appa theevu

10 nala thani theevu

11 uppu thani theevu

12 kudisadi theevu

During A.D. 1605, the clan of Ramanathapuram Sethupathy King was established by the Madurai Nayaks, incorporating 69 coastal villages and 7 Islands, of which Katchatheevu Island is one of the Island.A copper plate plaque issued by King Kezhava Sethupathy who ruled Ramanathapuram during the years 1622- 1635, depicts that the Sea upto Talaimannar belonged to Sethupathy Kings.The earlier map of srilank which was issued by dutch, portuguese and others also doesn't contain any information about katchatheevu.when Zamindari abolished by b.i ,ramanathapuram have 285 acres porampokku land on kachchatheevu
P.P.Peris, who was Srilankan Ministerial Secretary  told Kachchatheevu belongs to king sethupathi  which was published in daily mirror 0n 08-05-1966 

whatever media can told Anybody can wrtie book for their  sake of their own nation but u have to understand the truth,pak claim Kashmir,China claim AP so those territory are belong to them?


British Ceylon officially claimed ownership of Kachchatheevu in 1921 but that doesn't make it the ONLY claim. A book called 'The History of Ceylon' that was presented to the King of Portugal in 1685 mentioned Palk Bay islands, including Kachchatheevu, as part of Ceylon. Historical Chronicles of Kingdom of Jaffna, dating back to 1622, also claim authority over the islet. Certain Dutch records show transfer of the islet from Portuguese Ceylon. Official correspondences state that Survey officers treated Kachchatheevu as part of Ceylon.

I never said that there's no evidence that the King of Ramnad had ownership over Kachchtheevu. I said both sides have historical evidence to show that the islet was administered and belonged to them, with both either falsifying the other's records or simply accepting the islet as a (former) disputed territory. Both Indians and Sri Lankans can say that historians write and media broadcast lies to suit their needs. 

Kachchatheevu has been signed away and that's what matters. The Supreme Court can do nothing but decide whether the cession was legal or illegal. Sri Lanka is a sovereign country so the SC's rulings aren't legally binding. India can ask Sri Lanka to return the islet but Sri Lanka has already refused. Under International law, we cannot retrieve Kachchatheevu for certain reasons:
- Ratification clause doesn't hold valid in a bilateral agreement as the International Court of Justice has made clear.
- The US department of State has a record saying ratification has been exchanged.
- The very fact that India hasn't administered Kachchateevu for 30+ years (Abandonment clause) while the Sri Lankan government has means that the Sri Lankan government is the de facto government of Kachchatheevu under International law.   

Karunanidhi, the then Chief Minister, didn't prevent the cession which he should have. He is voicing his protest now for political glory so Tamilians have been betrayed by Congress and Karunanidhi's government. Why scandalize only one party? India (from Nehuvian times) is willing to hold a plebiscite in Pakistan to decide whether Kashmiris want to be a part of Pakistan or remain with India provided Pakistan withdraws from POK. It is also ready to hand over territories like Aksai Chin to China on certain conditions. If the country signs an agreement, YES they belong to Pakistan and China respectively. We did sign away present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh in 1947. We can't claim ownership of these regions again citing reasons like cultural affinity, historical records and starvation of farmers who deserve jute and cotton fields on the other side for their survival. Their cession did have majority vote but so was Kachchatheevu ratified (going by US records). Even if we assume the records are false, ratification clause in a bilateral treaty doesn't hold valid and abandonment by India for so many years is another deterrent.

So instead of chasing boats that have capsized, we should focus on gaining fishing rights from Sri Lanka. 

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 9:57am | IP Logged
^^ ,u can find thousand n  thousands of books like history of ceylone in old library and book markets ,just written by dutch govt or trader doesnt legal document ,media and newspaper defending modi jee by showing such a baseless argument or tamil nadu bjpian blame only congress
There is a Registered Document
(Registration No. 510/1880, Book 1, Volume 16) evidencing the fact that on 23.06.1880, eight coastal villages and four Island, including the Katchatheevu Island, belong to the Ramanathapuram Sethupathy's were given in lease by the District Collector, Madurai jointly to one Abdul Kadar Marakayar and Muthusamy Pillai. In the year 1822 the east india company signed an agreement with ramanad king to use sixty nine village and 7 island(including katchatheevu) for their trading purpose.(if u have doubt plz go and check it in Sarawathi mahal archives )

if govt want to find a solution for this ,they can but they wont this is true fact of indian Govt

then CM karuna is a monster who still drinking the bloods of innocent tamilian for the sake of his own family ...nothing more to argue about him

For strange reasons Karunanidhi did not resort to judicial remedy to uphold the just claims. He should have challenged the ceding of the island to Sri Lanka on the following grounds. It was Indian territory and there was irrefutable evidence to prove the ownership claims.  Second ceding Indian territory to a nieghbouring country requires constitutional amendment.  It should be pointed out recourse to judicial remedy was successfully pursued by BC Roy, Chief Minister of West Bengal, when Jawaharlal Nehru wanted to transfer Beru Bari to Pakistan.  Karunanidhi could also have insisted that the ownership claims over the island be referred to the Supreme Court for its opinion. It may be recalled that legal luminaries like MC Setalvad were of view that the island belonged to India.
Indira Gandhi pointed out that Katchatheevu Island is being ceded not on the basis of records but for other political reasons,without the concern of tamilnadu (sure Karuna wont interpt it but better to ask the opinion of Tamil fishermen this is so called federalism)Though the island was ceded to Sri Lanka, Articles V and VI of the agreement safeguarded the traditional fishing rights of Indian fishermen and also their right to visit the island for pilgrimage and drying of nets without a visa. Unfortunately the fishing rights were sacrificed in 1976, when the maritime boundary in the Gulf of Mannar and Bay of Bengal was delimited.
.This agreement which makes a mockery of the Indian Constitution, is according to ex External Affairs Minister, Mr.S.M.Krishna, as declared by him before the parliament "a solemn agreement.as far SC in 1960sif any Indian territory is to be handed over to any other country, it should be ratified in the Parliament by way of a Constitutional Amendment under Article 368. But it has not been done and, therefore, handing over of Kachchatheevu is unconstitutional.even the present central govt doens correct the affidavit before the SC.

According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, territorial waters means the area from the baseline on the coast to 12 nautical miles into the sea, she said, adding that as per this definition, the 285-acre, uninhabited Katchatheevu islet, lying at a distance of 11 nautical miles from Ramanathapuram, fell within Indian waters. so SL navy have no right to kill the fishermen ,

but who is real victims of all political drama of BJP,Congress,DMK etc , innocent fishermen



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in 1972 India-pakistan war, Srilanka was supporting PAKISTAN and were allowing PAK aircraft to land at Anuradhapuram Airport its also one of the reason India forcibly recognized the Sri Lankan ownership to the island on a conditional agreement.Karuna silent those time becoz of sarkaria commission

nowadays i m thinking about a manashtan"vaiko" who is ally of NDA LOL
p.s something light joke  abt Vaiko's alliance with a unsuitable person ,no offense

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 10:28am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Naveen_star

Originally posted by .RadhaKrishnan.

Pon Radhakrishnan gave some assurance but actually its eyewash and brought fishermen under their control  ,


still there is no official contact with SL but pon promised them they wont be like congress
he minded Assembly election of TN ..lolz


Naveen u should read ,tamizharuvi maniyan statement abot Pon re Eleam issue
on friendship day special LOLLOL

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 10:46am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Dhanvin-Jayant

Originally posted by Naveen_star

Originally posted by .RadhaKrishnan.

Pon Radhakrishnan gave some assurance but actually its eyewash and brought fishermen under their control  ,


still there is no official contact with SL but pon promised them they wont be like congress
he minded Assembly election of TN ..lolz


Naveen u should read ,tamizharuvi maniyan statement abot Pon re Eleam issue
on friendship day special LOLLOL

nope vinnu what he told,

i thought both in dream to become  next CM of TN Ouch

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 10:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Dhanvin-Jayant


nowadays i m thinking about a manashtan"vaiko" who is ally of NDA LOL
p.s something light joke  abt Vaiko's alliance with a unsuitable person ,no offense


better Vaiko should stand alone ,being with congress or BJP ,DMK &ADMK defame him
now the greatest drawback of him is still in the alliance of BJP

anyway vaiko is only  politician i respect most,i hope he broke the relationship with BJP soon

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Posted: 03 August 2014 at 11:20am | IP Logged
i waiting to see the modi bhakthars reactionWink

by miracle ,if NDA support tamil fishermen (TN assembly election on the way) hopefully  another U turnSmile

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