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Welcome to The Match discussion thread of The 4th Test Match between England v India.




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abhi se hi booking shuru LOL

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abhi se hi booking shuru LOL
Made this for 3rd test but DB already had made that so converted it to 4th.

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Ishant ruled out of fourth Test, Bhuvneshwar worry

The five-Test series is taking its toll on India. Ishant Sharma is all set to miss his second Test, Wriddhiman Saha has gone home with an injury, but another big concern is a swelling on Bhuvneshwar Kumar's ankle.

The India team played a long match of football after their defeat in Southampton, an activity India hardly miss on their playing or training days. Bhuvneshwar and Ishant, though, watched from their balcony. However, at the moment, the team has not considered this serious enough to ask for a replacement. They are hopeful Bhuvneshwar will be available for the fourth Test, and Ishant for the fifth.

MS Dhoni agreed the work out in the first two Tests showed in Bhuvneshwar's bowling. "I think, Bhuvi seemed to be a bit tired," Dhoni said. "But he came back nicely after that first spell. But I thought he was slightly on the shorter side. He got the right length in the first two Tests, but here he was slightly short. Apart from that I am quite happy with the effort put in by fast bowlers. It was a different kind of wicket, where you have to hit the deck hard to get some purchase. That's where I found Pankaj very impressive. He is a tall guy and got fair amount of bounce and was unlucky not to get a few wickets. Overall I am happy with him." 

Dhoni revealed after India's heavy defeat that Sharma will not be fit in time for the fourth Test, which begins on August 7 at Old Trafford. "Definitely he won't be fit for the next game," Dhoni said during the post-match presentation at the Ageas Bowl. "Never really had a discussion with our physio, but as of now he won't be available for the fourth Test match."

India had been forced to leave Ishant out of the third Test at the Ageas Bowl after he suffered what the team management described as a "sore leg". Ishant, who took a match-winning seven-wicket haul in the final innings of the Lord's Test, was replaced by Pankaj Singh, who went wicketless on his Test debut at Southampton.

England wrapped up a 266-run win in the first session of the fifth day, with India adding only 66 to their overnight total for the loss of their last six wickets. Moeen Ali, the offspinning allrounder, picked up a six-wicket haul. Dhoni said India didn't bat with the right approach against Moeen.

"I don't think we played good cricket over here but at the same time I think we played the fast bowlers well," Dhoni said. "Moeen I think he bowled well, but still we let him bowl well. It is very important to be positive against the spinner, especially when there is not much on offer. I think he bowled very good lines. If you keep defending, one odd ball will turn because there is considerable amount of wear and tear on the wicket."

Moeen took two wickets in the first innings as well, when Rohit Sharma and Ajinkya Rahane lost their wickets going for aggressive shots. This, Dhoni said, was a crucial phase in the match that India slipped up in.

"There were quite a few [soft dismissals], the phase where Jinks [Rahane] got out, a couple of other wickets that fell, that really had a big impact on the game. It was not only that half an hour, I think even last night, the last session really had a big impact on the game because we lost quite a few wickets, and quite a few of them were quite soft dismissals, and if we were in a good position last night, not losing those two or three wickets, definitely then you look at it in a different way."

Having gone into the first two Tests with five bowlers, India reverted to their usual strategy of six specialist batsmen and four specialist bowlers, with Stuart Binny making way for Rohit Sharma.

"The reason was we never used the fifth bowler, so we thought maybe we'll be able to use the batsmen who can bowl a bit if needed," Dhoni said, when asked about the selection call. "We just bowled that fifth bowler for eight overs or ten overs so I thought with Shikhar [Dhawan] and Vijay and Rohit being around, we can use that fifth bowler.

"It is not only that, I think once we got in with the four specialist bowlers I still think we need to get a bit more patient on wickets like these where there's not plenty to offer for the fast bowlers. We have to be consistent with our lines and lengths, and be a bit boring at times, hit the fourth stump mark consistently and ask the batsman to come and drive."

Asked whether India had the resources to bounce back from the defeat, Dhoni said they did, provided they played more positively.

"Definitely, when it comes to the talent part, yes. It will just be the mental approach, to be a bit more positive when it is in your areas, go ahead with your shot even if you get out playing that shot, back yourself because at the end of the day, what cricket really is is about the amount of runs you score and the wickets you take. You don't have to survive for long if you are scoring quickly."
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Dhoni defends four-bowler strategy

When Bob Dylan asked who killed Davey Moore, the answer was everyone involved with boxing. Yet they didn't want a finger pointed at them. MS Dhoni, after enduring a Test where everything went wrong, didn't mind pointing that finger. In Ishant Sharma's absence, the bowlers were flat. Forget 20, they didn't look like picking up 10 wickets. India's shoddy slip catching contributed to debutant Pankaj Singh ending up wicketless. The opening partnership is yet to add 50 outside Asia. The middle order got in and fell to soft dismissals. Mooen Ali taking six wickets against accomplished players of spin was the perfect riposte to Ishant's bouncing out of England's batsmen at Lord's.

"That's what international cricket is all about," Dhoni said. "It was not like we were expecting England to win. We knew they would come back strongly at us, and for us also it was a new challenge to keep the momentum going after the Lord's win. This Test showed some areas where we have to improve.

"To win Test matches, we need to take 20 wickets. But in this particular game we were not able to take even 10 wickets, and that was a setback to a certain extent. I thought our batsmen played the fast bowlers better, but we allowed Moeen to bowl his line and length. There was considerable amount of wear and tear on the pitch that went his way, and there were a lot of close-in fielders too. I just felt that we could have been a bit more positive against him."

Dhoni admitted the first two Tests might have taken a lot out of his bowlers. The casualty list included Ishant, who has been ruled out of the Old Trafford Test, and Bhuvneshwar Kumar also looked down on intensity on a pitch that didn't suit his put-it-there accurate bowling.

"I think Bhuvi seemed a bit tired," Dhoni said. "He came back nicely after that first spell, but I thought he was slightly on the shorter side. He got the right length in the first two Tests, but here he was slightly short. Apart from that I am quite happy with the effort put in by the fast bowlers. It was a different kind of wicket, where you have to hit the surface hard to get some purchase. That's where I found Pankaj very impressive. He is a tall guy and got a fair amount of bounce and was unlucky not to get a few wickets. Overall I am happy with him."

In the first innings, everyone in India's top seven, except Shikhar Dhawan, reached 20, but the top-score remained 54. Dhoni was obviously disappointed, but wasn't too fussed. "It will become a bit [of a] concern once it becomes repetitive," Dhoni said. "Let's hope that it doesn't become a habit. But the good thing is that the batsmen are getting good starts and hopefully they will convert those starts into big innings. Getting starts is more difficult that converting starts. Hopefully, they will come back strong."

Rohit Sharma slugging Moeen to mid-off five minutes before tea on the fourth day drew a lot of criticism, but he also had Dhoni's sympathy given India didn't want Moeen to settle. "You will go for your shots and get out at times," Dhoni said. "I am not really bothered about it because the attitude is more important. I think that's why he tried to step out and play Mooen. But you also have to choose your timing because if you have five or 10 minutes remaining for the tea or lunch then slightly curb your instincts. But overall I am happy with the way he [Rohit] went out to play his shots."

Dhoni rubbished the suggestion that picking Rohit and deviating from the new five-bowler strategy was a defensive plan to sit on the lead while Ishant missed the match. "[If playing extra bowlers is positive], then to be positive you should play eight bowlers in the next game," Dhoni said. "You also need to see the combination. You can have a third man and deep point, and that could be an aggressive option against someone like [Virender] Sehwag, and for other batsmen it may not be. It's all about how you look at it.

"In the first couple of games we played with that extra bowler, who was part of the side. But we never really used him to that extent, giving him only eight to 10 overs. That's the reason we thought of making our batting stronger by getting Rohit in. At the same time, he could also give us those eight to 10 overs or more. That was the thinking behind it, and we need to go back and think what's needed to be done according to the wicket for the next two Test matches."

Dhoni defended the opening combination, which could suggest another chance for Dhawan. "Vijay is batting well at the moment, and Shikhar is finding his tune now. It is not easy to come and score runs at every time, you need to work hard sometimes for your runs. The English bowlers were bowling well, especially [James] Anderson. They know exactly where to bowl, which line and length, in their home conditions. It will be a challenge for Shikhar to score runs here. In international cricket, the bowlers will try to find out your weak spot all the time. You need to learn to survive that and try to score runs."

Dhoni expects a stern test of character and fitness in the last two games, which will be played over a period of 13 days. "We have not played a five-match series before, but England have played five-match series earlier. So it will be a test of character for all of us, and our fitness also."
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Kya fayda robin. LOL
Dont we all know what MSD is going to do. Wink

And BCCI is destroying Umesh career. I am sure Ishant is out for series but they are saying next match so that no call for replacement occurs. Sleepy

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England can prepare green track for 4th test now

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Originally posted by sscomp32

Kya fayda robin. LOL
Dont we all know what MSD is going to do. Wink

And BCCI is destroying Umesh career. I am sure Ishant is out for series but they are saying next match so that no call for replacement occurs. Sleepy

its crystal clear now india will lose this series by 2-1
Umesh"s career is already over now.

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2-1?
is rain going to save them in one is it?LOL

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