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Posted: 30 March 2014 at 4:17am | IP Logged
Sorry, I can't help it, doubts keep popping up in my mind like nitrogen bubbles.
So here it begins:

Vasudeva was the son of Shurasena, who had a dozen more sons and five daughters.
(Ancient Indians had a thing with children isn't it? Jise dekho uske kam se kam 6-7 putr aur 5-6 putriya hote hai)

So anyway.
Temporarily throw Vasudeva's brothers into the dustbin.
Look at this chap.
Vasudeva had 14 wives, acc to Harivamsa. And According to both HV and SB, he had tons of sons from each wife.
Now, the question no. one: When he was arrested along with Devaki, he already had all these children. So, where did all these 12 wives and so many children go?? (Rohini was in Gokul).
Oh, and Rohini was in Gokul. And Rohini's sons were Krita, Balarama, Sharana, Gada, Durmada, Vipula, Dhruva, etc etc. So where did the rest of the sons go when she was in Gokul?
Don't tell me Vasudeva had the rest after he came out of jail. (I know for one that Gada was younger than Krishna, so he would have been born after jail, but the others?)
Because Krita was the eldest.
Oh, and qn no 2: Jab Vasudeva ke itne saare bacche the, to phir mathura aur dwarka mein kyu Krishna aur Balaram hi dikhaye dete hai? What happened to the others?)

Now Vasudeva's wives story is kept aside. Take out his brothers from the dustbin.Tongue (What? You already emptied your dustbin in the dump?
K fine. Now Vasudeva's brothers were decent and didn't have as many sons as him. But still they did have children.
So qn No 3: Where did they go? Why didn't they help Krishna in anything? We don't have any story about how Krishna's cousins came to his aid during troubling times...

I hope you all are still awake.Tongue

So thats all. Those who can understand this Cube root of Pi, please try to answer. If you are lost in this soup, really sorry.

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Everyone drowned in the soup?Shocked

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I don't think he had any children before his relation with Devaki.

Look at this from SBP.

Nanda thereafter entrusted the protection of Gokula [the cow village] to his cowherd men and went to Mathur to pay Kamsa the yearly taxes over his profit oh best of the Kuru dynasty.Vasudeva who heard that his [younger step-]brother Nanda had arrived [in the city] - as it turned out to pay his tribute to the king -  thereupon went to his camp.When Nanda all of a sudden saw him before his eyes, he very pleased rose to his feet as if his body had found a new life. Overwhelmed by love and affection he embraced his dear friend. Welcoming him with all regards, he assigned him a seat and informed about his health.Vasudeva, attached as he was, then asked about his two sons, saying the following oh ruler over the world. 'Dear brother Nanda, advanced in age and having no son, you were desperately longing for one. What a great fortune now to have gotten a son! What a great fortune also to see you here today, it is like a rebirth. Despite of being around in this world of birth and death, it is so very hard to meet again your loved ones! Like things that afloat in a river are carried away by the force of the waves, we, intimately living together, do not stay [together] in one place because our karmic ways are diverging. Is everything alright with your cow business? Is there enough water, grass, plants and such in the great forest where you are living now with your friends?Oh brother, does my son who with His mother lives in your house, consider you His father and is He a sweet boy under your loving care? A person's three goals of life as described in the Vedic literatures [the regulation of one's lusts, income and rituals], find their consequence and belief when one is together. But that is not so when that togetherness has become difficult, then they lose their meaning.'

 S'r Nanda said: 'Kamsa killed, alas, the many sons you had with Devak and also the one remaining child, the youngest, a daughter went to heaven. Fate determines the end of all things, providence is elevated above every living being and the unseen is the ultimate truth of all souls. He who knows this will never get bewildered.'


Here Vasudev doesn't refer to any other children except Balaram&Krishna(as Nand's son).

Also he enquired about his son(Balaram) and mother(Rohini) of that child but he wasn't anxious about other women...Even Nand doesn't speak about any other child except those 8 born to Devaki.He even doesn't indicate or question about other women.Why!?!?Perhaps it was only Rohini before Devaki and coz she was childless he went for another alliance and we know what happened from there on.

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I don't think he had any children before his relation with Devaki.

Look at this from SBP.

Nanda thereafter entrusted the protection of Gokula [the cow village] to his cowherd men and went to Mathur to pay Kamsa the yearly taxes over his profit oh best of the Kuru dynasty.Vasudeva who heard that his [younger step-]brother Nanda had arrived [in the city] - as it turned out to pay his tribute to the king -  thereupon went to his camp.When Nanda all of a sudden saw him before his eyes, he very pleased rose to his feet as if his body had found a new life. Overwhelmed by love and affection he embraced his dear friend. Welcoming him with all regards, he assigned him a seat and informed about his health.Vasudeva, attached as he was, then asked about his two sons, saying the following oh ruler over the world. 'Dear brother Nanda, advanced in age and having no son, you were desperately longing for one. What a great fortune now to have gotten a son! What a great fortune also to see you here today, it is like a rebirth. Despite of being around in this world of birth and death, it is so very hard to meet again your loved ones! Like things that afloat in a river are carried away by the force of the waves, we, intimately living together, do not stay [together] in one place because our karmic ways are diverging. Is everything alright with your cow business? Is there enough water, grass, plants and such in the great forest where you are living now with your friends?Oh brother, does my son who with His mother lives in your house, consider you His father and is He a sweet boy under your loving care? A person's three goals of life as described in the Vedic literatures [the regulation of one's lusts, income and rituals], find their consequence and belief when one is together. But that is not so when that togetherness has become difficult, then they lose their meaning.'

 S'r Nanda said: 'Kamsa killed, alas, the many sons you had with Devak and also the one remaining child, the youngest, a daughter went to heaven. Fate determines the end of all things, providence is elevated above every living being and the unseen is the ultimate truth of all souls. He who knows this will never get bewildered.'


Here Vasudev doesn't refer to any other children except Balaram&Krishna(as Nand's son).

Also he enquired about his son(Balaram) and mother(Rohini) of that child but he wasn't anxious about other women...Even Nand doesn't speak about any other child except those 8 born to Devaki.He even doesn't indicate or question about other women.Why!?!?Perhaps it was only Rohini before Devaki and coz she was childless he went for another alliance and we know what happened from there on.

What is SBP?????

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Posted: 01 April 2014 at 10:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Cool-n-Fresh


I don't think he had any children before his relation with Devaki.

Look at this from SBP.

Nanda thereafter entrusted the protection of Gokula [the cow village] to his cowherd men and went to Mathur to pay Kamsa the yearly taxes over his profit oh best of the Kuru dynasty.Vasudeva who heard that his [younger step-]brother Nanda had arrived [in the city] - as it turned out to pay his tribute to the king -  thereupon went to his camp.When Nanda all of a sudden saw him before his eyes, he very pleased rose to his feet as if his body had found a new life. Overwhelmed by love and affection he embraced his dear friend. Welcoming him with all regards, he assigned him a seat and informed about his health.Vasudeva, attached as he was, then asked about his two sons, saying the following oh ruler over the world. 'Dear brother Nanda, advanced in age and having no son, you were desperately longing for one. What a great fortune now to have gotten a son! What a great fortune also to see you here today, it is like a rebirth. Despite of being around in this world of birth and death, it is so very hard to meet again your loved ones! Like things that afloat in a river are carried away by the force of the waves, we, intimately living together, do not stay [together] in one place because our karmic ways are diverging. Is everything alright with your cow business? Is there enough water, grass, plants and such in the great forest where you are living now with your friends?Oh brother, does my son who with His mother lives in your house, consider you His father and is He a sweet boy under your loving care? A person's three goals of life as described in the Vedic literatures [the regulation of one's lusts, income and rituals], find their consequence and belief when one is together. But that is not so when that togetherness has become difficult, then they lose their meaning.'

 S'r Nanda said: 'Kamsa killed, alas, the many sons you had with Devak and also the one remaining child, the youngest, a daughter went to heaven. Fate determines the end of all things, providence is elevated above every living being and the unseen is the ultimate truth of all souls. He who knows this will never get bewildered.'


Here Vasudev doesn't refer to any other children except Balaram&Krishna(as Nand's son).

Also he enquired about his son(Balaram) and mother(Rohini) of that child but he wasn't anxious about other women...Even Nand doesn't speak about any other child except those 8 born to Devaki.He even doesn't indicate or question about other women.Why!?!?Perhaps it was only Rohini before Devaki and coz she was childless he went for another alliance and we know what happened from there on.
@purple bold, He asks about his son with Rohini, so that implies that by that time, only one son had been born to Rohini, so Krita is not the eldest... okay..
So that is the asnwer to Qn. 1
Uh.. And Qns 2 and 3?

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Originally posted by Stalwart.


What is SBP?????
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Originally posted by Surya_krsnbhakt

Originally posted by Cool-n-Fresh



@purple bold, He asks about his son with Rohini, so that implies that by that time, only one son had been born to Rohini, so Krita is not the eldest... okay..
So that is the asnwer to Qn. 1
Uh.. And Qns 2 and 3?

He didn't inquire about ladies other than Rohini.



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Originally posted by Cool-n-Fresh

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Originally posted by Cool-n-Fresh



@purple bold, He asks about his son with Rohini, so that implies that by that time, only one son had been born to Rohini, so Krita is not the eldest... okay..
So that is the asnwer to Qn. 1
Uh.. And Qns 2 and 3?

He didn't inquire about ladies other than Rohini.

Sorry, I don't get you.

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