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Posted: 08 March 2014 at 7:19pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Mr. K, that assertation is made in the Manusamhita.


What is Hindu law?

Manusmriti? Or the Other Dhamashastra smirtis?
Is it in the Vedas or the Puranas?
Is it the discourses in the Itihasas like The Gita in the Mahabharata?
Is it the laws under Hindu Kings?
Is it the Modern Hindu laws of inheritance and property as accepted by the legal system?

Unlike Abrahamic religions or something like Confucianism that are based on doctrine - there is no one universally accepted authoritative doctrine in Hinduism. One can be a Hindu without prescribing to a doctrine.

So to state Hindu law states something specific is quite incorrect.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 at 9:05pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by krystal_watz

Mr. K, that assertation is made in the Manusamhita.


What is Hindu law?

Manusmriti? Or the Other Dhamashastra smirtis?
Is it in the Vedas or the Puranas?
Is it the discourses in the Itihasas like The Gita in the Mahabharata?
Is it the laws under Hindu Kings?
Is it the Modern Hindu laws of inheritance and property as accepted by the legal system?

Unlike Abrahamic religions or something like Confucianism that are based on doctrine - there is no one universally accepted authoritative doctrine in Hinduism. One can be a Hindu without prescribing to a doctrine.

So to state Hindu law states something specific is quite incorrect.



People generally pass it off as "sashtron mein kehte hai". Though talking of "original" authorities, people generally refer to the Vedas and Bhagavad Gita as the formal Holy Books of Hinduism. Manusmriti is a set of doctrines that came in the later Vedic age.

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Posted: 08 March 2014 at 9:16pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Mr. K, that assertation is made in the Manusamhita.



Thanks.

I did go through the translated texts of Manusmriti, before asking for evidence.

The stricture "Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence" doesn't equate to what Rehanism claimed which is "a woman is the property of father before marriage, husband after marriage and son in widowhood."

Abhorrent as some of Manu's ideas are, I am not sure if they can be tagged as "Hindu laws". To do so would be to besmirch a very large group of people who have subscribed to a diverse set of religious beliefs and philosophies.


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Posted: 09 March 2014 at 2:03pm | IP Logged
Woman emancipation, woman suffrage- these are all relatively new concepts across the world. For thousands of years before that, women have been suppressed and treated shabbily. In many cases, women have been the fiercest critics of other women. It's true of most all religions. For the TM to argue that this is somehow just a problem with hinduism is bizarre. It's a world-wide phenomena, has been for ages. To blame it on some questionable interpretations of the texts is simply cuckoo. 
But sure, if someone is the kind of low mental IQ that will misinterpret texts and take the wrong lessons, then they are also the kind of person who should not be watching movies- all that adult/ violent content can lead someone astray!. Heck, you should not even be reading Cinderella. She does not exactly come across as an independent woman libber, does she? Does not sound like the kind of female we want females to be, does she? You should not be visiting all those high-end malls in the Middle East- you'll find women clad in burqas with nothing better to do than spend money on fashion wear just so that they can keep sheik charming from straying on to other wives. I mean talk about emancipation in this day and age. And you should not be reading Henry VIII- you dont want people getting the wrong idea and going about chopping heads because they want a son as an heir. How does that sound?LOL

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@Birdie, since you raised cindrealla's point
a wonderful monologue by kalki 

Kalki Koechlin

In the beginning God made man.

God made man in his own image.

And then that's was it. 'Man'kind, hu'man'ity, wo'man.

Man, man, man.

What chance in Hell did we ever have?

We were sidelined from the Big Bang.

You remember Draupadi?

Draupadi married off to all five Pandavas.

She garlanded only Arjun

But they told her you got to marry all of us.

Five husbands! That can't be fun.

God know I have enough trouble with one.

Or what about Eve and the apple?

Blaming one woman for all mankind's evil?

Soorya and Kunti,

The Virgin Mary

Do you know Gaia?

The Goddess Mother Earth

She's the one we all trample on.

And remember Aphrodite

Goddess of love and beauty

Lest we forget, she was also

The patron of prostituting.

Persephone,

She was less known

Raped by Hades

She became Queen of the underworld,

Not even goddesses were left alone.

You might not know A'isha,

She was one of the wives of Prophet Mohammad

She challenged a Califh for power

It created quite a ruckus,

It led to war in fact,

All because of one woman's fuss,

And so was born the tradition Islamic

That women should not engage in anything politic.

But of course they did,

Thank god they did.

Women have their ways,

As somebody once put it.

The Queen of Sheba, Empress Theodora, Rabia al' Basra,

Cleopatra, The Victorian Era, The Mona Lisa

The Suffragettes, Marilyn Monroe, The sixties and burning bras,

The unpopular Thatcher and our own Indira

Et cetra et cetra and now here we are.

Here we are,

We've survived this far,

Thanks to seduction, perhaps some manipulation,

But mostly thanks to Mother Nature and ovulation.

Now look at all the queens and goddesses of history,

No prince came to the rescue,

No king ever went down on one knee,

No deity was even that trustworthy,

Yet all we've be told since we were three,

Are fairy tales, adverts, and pretty stories,

Telling us to pray, hope,

And wait to be saved.

Here we are today.

Here we are,

On International Women's Day,

With some minor disappointments,

And a few little things to say.

The woman in red,

The girl in pink,

The widow in white,

The Burqa in black,

The colour of lipstick,

Viva Glam, Lady Danger, Fresh brew, Faux, Frenzy, Hot Gossip and Sweetie.

Ramblin, Siss, Creme cup, Paramount and Modesty

Fetish, Spice it up, Naked Paris, Honey love and Odyssey.

Apply, line, smack, seal, pout,

And you're ready to go out.

Ugh!!!

Sometimes I just want an oversized T shirt, boxer shorts, unkempt hair and unibrows.

I want armpit hair long enough to plait,

I want a clean face without a trace of make up

I want to look the way I do when I wake up.

I want to scratch my head,

Dig my nose,

Lick my fingers,

Stretch my legs

And spread my toes.

I want to smile with my gums showing,

Bare my teeth and

Contort my pretty face into wrinkles.

I want my crow's feet to look sexy,

Or my salt and pepper hair,

Or my sun burnt skin,

I want to be George Clooney basically,

But with breasts and a muffin.

Alas,

No...no...shhh...control, control!

Keep it down.

Stuff it up, bottle it in, switch it off,

Cross your legs, wear a bra,

Sit straight and smile sweetly for the camera.

I went to a party,

I went to a party where

I was looking for something real.

Glittering, flashing lights,

Sparkling clean glasses with something bubbly and expensive inside,

Stuck on smiles of painted lips and gorgeous, skinny, beautiful ladies all around,

I craved a touch, a caress,

But my senses were intimidated by cloned perfection.

I thought I could hear muffled wailing,

Nervous giggling,

Intoxicated complying.

I thought I could hear the buzz of millions, screaming out their instructions,

Sit down, stand up, stay,

This way, that way, go away

I can't breathe, I'm choking.

This room is filled with smoke

From regrets and weak, nicely packaged cigarettes.

This room is filled with luxury and fame

And false dreams.

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Posted: 09 March 2014 at 4:26pm | IP Logged
In the spirit of Enigmatic_Zephy post above
Here's a good message for all big and little girls. 



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Posted: 09 March 2014 at 9:53pm | IP Logged
Zephy: Wonderful poem by Kalki. Where was it recited/published?

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Posted: 10 March 2014 at 4:06am | IP Logged
on role of women in society,
i just realized

in any story/plot involving aliens/anykind of aliens...the woman wud always be human..LOL

primarily meant to bring a new race to life...give birth to a baby who inherits daddy 's superpowers..

Meaning,

We don't just consider women weak but also think lowly of human race LOL

( wonder where would women in general be once science finds a way to reproduce children economically with help of machines..end to end process)

LoL..

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