Draupadi or the bad portrayal of Draupadi?? - Page 4

Posted: 10 years ago
if so how should I take it that you dint put interesting inside quotes? 🤣
Posted: 10 years ago
My bad di.
:(
But didnt you find it interesting that Aswatthama is depicted as a complete moron when the real aswatthama is roaming the streets of noida and looking for a way to reach mumbai to do some mass murder.
Hope he will spare the actors,director and the staffs.
Posted: 10 years ago
at-least if they are scared of Aswi watching they might do some justice..

he should spare the actors and staffs.. but looks like the director(s) deserve(s) 🤢
Posted: 10 years ago
i did see the fierceness of star bharat's draupadi in the precap when she was talking to her bro drishtadyumna..

i think this draupadi will change and become fierce when she sees injustice..

i am now wondering what gyann will shri krishna give her though..


Posted: 10 years ago
Looks like Panchali will show a firey side to her today!

But how stupid she shows it to Dhritstadyumna they were close. He never spoke to her the way they show him to speka to her in the precap 🤢
Posted: 10 years ago
I am annoyed at the way they destroyed Drishyadyumn's character 😕
Posted: 10 years ago
Karna was a suta, not a shudra.  A suta was a sub-caste of kshatriyas - a lower order of kshatriyas.  Shudras were not expected to die in war - only kshatriyas were.  Sutas were chariot drivers, and so they risked getting killed even more than combatants.


So the comments below about who Vaisyas or Shudras can marry doesn't apply to Sutas.  A male Suta could marry a Vaisya or Shudra woman.  A vice versa would have been frowned upon.


Originally posted by medha00


Draupadi was a rebel in her own sense too.😆
The way she refused to follow a rule showed her fierceness also. If she is wonder struck with her reflection, it is no big deal since she has seen herself for the first time.
She is intelligent and seems to have a mind of her own which does not just listen and accepts a fact of the society, instead she has her own opinion on it and that is a good thing.

She doesnt need to be fierce, angry  and order around all the time just because she is Draupadi either. We will probably get to see all the famous anger and tongue lashing when the time comes.

@Jhum di

As for the cast thing what makes one think that she cant be nice to a little girl who is not of Kshatriya cast? If she wants to befriend people of lower cast then she can and no where has it been said that Draupadi was a Bigoted person.

The only thing she said to Karna in her Swaymvara was :-

But seeing Karna, Draupadi loudly said, 'I will not select a Suta for my lord.' Then Karna, laughing in vexation and casting glance at the Sun, threw aside the bow already drawn to a circle.

Does this prove that she was a bigot who was strongly partial to people of lower caste? In those times, There was a major difference between a Woman making friends in the Lower Caste and a Woman marrying in the Lower Caste. Like it or not, that is how it was.
All you need to do is read the "Anusasana Parva" in "Bhishma Parva" to know exactly how strict and baffling the Caste System was at that time.

The whole Inter Caste Marriage discussion between Yudhishtira and Bhishma is enough for one to understand that Draupadi refusing to take a man known as a suta-putra is no big deal at all.


'For the Kshatriya, O delighter of the Kurus, two wives have been ordained. The Kshatriya may take a third wife from the Sudra order. Such practice prevails, it is true, but it is not sanctioned by the scriptures. Even this should be the order, O Yudhisthira, of the spouses of a Kshatriya. The property of a Kshatriya should, O king, be divided into eight shares. The son of the Kshatriya wife shall take four of such shares of the paternal property. The son of the Vaisya wife shall take three of such shares. The remaining one or the eighth share shall be taken by the son of the Sudra wife. The son of the Sudra wife, however, shall take only when the father gives but not otherwise. For the Vaisya only one wife has been ordained. A second wife is taken from the Sudra order. The practice prevails, it is true, but it is not sanctioned by the scriptures. If a Vaisya has two wives, one of whom is a Vaisya and the other a Sudra, there is a difference between them in respect of status. The wealth of a Vaisya, O chief of Bharata's race, should be divided Into five portions. I shall now speak of the sons of a Vaisya by a wife of his own order and by one belonging to the inferior order, as also of the manner in which, O king his wealth is to be distributed among those children. The son born of the Vaisya wife shall take four of such shares of his father's wealth. The fifth share, O Bharata, has been said to belong to the son born of the Sudra wife. Such a son, however, shall take when the father gives. He should not take anything unless the father gives it to him. The son that is begotten on a Sudra wife by persons of the three higher orders should always be regarded

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as disentitled to any share of the sire's wealth. The Sudra should have only one wife taken from his own order. He can under no circumstances, take any other spouse. Even if he happens to have a century of sons by such a spouse, all of them share equally the wealth that he may leave behind. As regards all the orders, the children born of the spouse taken from the husband's own order shall, it has been laid down, share equally the father's wealth. The eldest son's share shall be greater than that of every other son, for he shall take one share more than each of his brothers, consisting of the best things of his father. Even this is the law of inheritance, O son of Pritha, as declared by the Self-born himself. Amongst children all born of the spouse taken from the husband's own order, there is another distinction, O king! In marrying, the elder ones should always precede the younger ones. The spouses being all equal in respect of their order of birth, and the children also being all equal in respect of the status of their mothers, the son that is first-born shall take one share more than each of his other brothers. The son that comes next in point of age shall take a share that is next in value, while the son that is youngest shall take the share that belongs to the youngest. 1 Thus among spouses of all orders, they that belong to the same order with the husband are regarded as the first. Even this is what was declared by the great Rishi Kasyapa the son of Marichi.'

The Sudra can take only one wife, viz., she that is taken from his own order. The son begotten by him upon her becomes a Sudra. A son that takes birth under circumstances other than those mentioned above, comes to be looked upon as a very inferior one.If a person of a lower order begets a son upon a woman of a superior order, such a son is regarded as outside the pale of the four pure orders. Indeed, such a son becomes on object of censure with the four principal orders. If a Kshatriya begets a son upon a Brahmana woman, such a son, without being included in any of the four pure orders, comes to be regarded as a Suta The duties of a Suta are all connected with the reciting of eulogies and encomiums of kings and other great men. The son begotten by a Vaisya upon a woman of the Brahmana order comes to be regarded as a Vaidehaka. The duties assigned to him are the charge of bars and bolts for protecting the privacy of women of respectable households. Such sons have no cleansing rites laid down for them. 2 If a Sudra unites with a woman belonging to the foremost of the four orders, the son that is begotten is called a Chandala. Endued with a fierce disposition, he must live in the outskirts of cities and towns and the duty assigned to him is that of the public executioner

A Kshatriya can take two wives. As regards the Vaisya, he should take a wife from only his own order. The children born of these wives should all be regarded as equal. 2 Of the three wives of a Brahmana, she taken from his own order should be regarded as the foremost. Similarly, of the two wives permitted to the Kshatriya, she taken from his own order should be regarded as superior. Some say that persons belonging to the three higher orders may take, only for purposes of enjoyment (and not for those of virtue), wives from the lowest or the Sudra order. Others, however, forbid the practice.


And there also some varying definitions on who a Suta is.🤔

Just read the whole Anusasana Parva.

Bhishmasays that a Women should only take a husband of her own order or higher.

So Draupadi could either marry the Kshatriyas or Brahmanas. It is not like she had a dream that Karna wasnt a Suta.

Doesnt mean she cant make little friends in the lower caste.



Posted: 10 years ago
Thanks Vrish.
Silly of me, it is written just below it that sutas were children of kshatriya man and brahman woman.
So, how come suta men were not to marry ksahtriya women?
And karnas adoptive father was a suta no?Not a kshatriya? Did he have a kshatriya father and brahman mother?
So karna was a suta-putra, not a suta?In which cast they could
Was radha a suta since she was called radha of suta? So suta man could marry suta woman?What was draupadis cast?
So was it out of line for her to not accept karna?Edited by medha00 - 10 years ago
Posted: 10 years ago
Originally posted by divyasn


I am annoyed at the way they destroyed Drishyadyumn's character 😕


... and particularly Drupada's 😡
Posted: 10 years ago
*edited*

Edited by titleepari - 10 years ago

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