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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 8:30am | IP Logged
Ok, lets just discuss AAP 
It was but obvious that he was not going to last considering he didn't win the House Majority. So why did he took the big job ? He was in a Catch-22 , he had Cong on tv saying that they will support him unconditionally while BJP continued egging him to take the big step.  Also the think tanks at AAP would have realized that having govt at Delhi would give them plenty of opportunity for media facetime and announcing popular decisions would win them more public. 


It was but obvious the days of AAP were numbered , with Binny totally sold out and threatening even before the govt proved its majority in Parliament. 

He concentrated on 2 very popular measures and anti corruption helpline. Whatever we might think of it, it has won him a substantial vote bank in Delhi ( Cong pockets specially).

The Dharna did set him back among his core voters but I feel in the bigger picture the party has not lost that base completely. 

Anarchy ceases to be label now, when the Parliament of India saw pepper spray and all the knife drama. 

Binny and few other independent MLA's were asking him to introduce the Jan LokPal bill immediately or else they would withdrew support. Ironically that bill would not have meant Cong support and ultimately dissolving the assembly. 

Though there is legal ambiguity for the right procedure of introducing the bill in assembly , I find it hilarious when I see BJP and Cong protesting the procedure , as in 2002 Sheila opposed centre's right for verifying the delhi bills when NDA was in power. 

This was the only way which provided AK an opportunity for getting out of this minority mess with some integrity. 

Now on governance - lets be fair and see what other states have done during the same time period. It  is too early to form an opinion on it. 

I feel he might just get back Delhi with majority as there is lack of strong leader in both Cong and BJP at this moment. 

He would get around 12-20 seats at LS which would make him an interesting player for long term politics. 

BJP would not be affected much , their vote bank is not breached by him yet, but Cong will severely affected. Notice how Modi is always soft on AK , he knows AK is a small fish when compared to Mamta and Maya.

I won't write off AAP at the state election for Delhi and on LS - will never overhype them, it remains a Modi show through and through.




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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 9:01am | IP Logged
^^Binny was a Congress agent through and through, it was clear from the moment he joined AAP and started throwing hissy fits about not becoming MLA. He's presently busy letting people know how Kejriwal and Co. had never intended to pass the Bill and that the resignation was planned sixty days ago; the circus gets funnier by the second. LOL

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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 9:04am | IP Logged
Originally posted by charminggenie


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Now on governance - lets be fair and see what other states have done during the same time period. It  is too early to form an opinion on it. 

I feel he might just get back Delhi with majority as there is lack of strong leader in both Cong and BJP at this moment. 

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yeah, he sure did a lot in these 49 days. Like bad-mouth bureaucrats and everyone to the point that they will be even more scared taking any decisions, lest a Kejriwal comes along and accuses them of wrong-doing. He paralyzed governance, that's what he did! Given more time, he could have taken delhi back further back to the road-side ways...No one would have ever effed up because they would wait for orders from the top to cover their sorry asses. That's what happens when you create the kind of witch-hunt culture he did!

at best this guy would deserve to be a quality check watchdog in an organization, not the guy you would want running your organization. He is clueless about finances, about "executing". I cant imagine him ever being able to get metro projects, hospitals, schools built. His focus and his interest and his capabilities, if any, lie totally elsewhere, in just pointing out all the things that are wrong, but no workable solutions for any of it!.

we can all agree that corruption is a problem. But so is employment and value-add jobs. When you are starving and poor, what you want are jobs and supply-side economics that reduce inflation. Corruption is at worst an irritant and something that costs maybe half a point of GDP a year. But what gets you through life are jobs and a pay-check! Push comes to shove, what would YOU have? A corruption-free experience or a job?

there's also a very blurry line between corrupt and non-corrupt. Even in the US, there is "corruption" of sorts. Every capitalist economy suffers from that. You don't get growth without providing profit incentives to companies and people. The rockefellers and the warburgs were also corrupt in that sense. They lobbied and they swung projects around to themselves, and they often lied and used favors to do that!  

now like chickens with our heads cut off, we have managed to make corruption our problem number 1. Again, my apologies, but  it's growth, it's poverty, its jobs for the millions of youth. If they don't move up the food chain quickly enough with rapid economic growth for the next few years, they will be consigned to low living standards for generations. Our demographic dividend would have gone up in smoke. All that potential wealth gone to zero, far more than all the scams added together could have cost us. Bottom-line, we cant afford for him to be running any government for even the slightest time! He could be tolerated as an anti-corruption crusader, but he is totally unfit for the kind of roles he is now aspiring for. if he was a true desh-bhakt, he would not try things he is incapable of, given that he is such a loose cannon. He would know he would be an unmitigated disaster for our country! 

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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 1:40pm | IP Logged
for a primer on india's budget spending, read the article below in TOI. It highlights what has happened under the UPA and should indicate what will happen if AAP pursues the populist policies it did in Delhi. We have frittered away the opportunity to lift future growth potential through investments in education, healthcare and infrastructure. Instead, we spent our limited resources on food and fuel subsidies. What happens next year when we have more mouths to feed and more cars on the road, and little extra production to meet that growing need? The huge demographic dividend will turn into a huge demographic time bomb! It's really criminal how seemingly educated people can talk populist nonsense without having the slightest clue about creating productive economies... They are the modern stalin-era demagogue,!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Spending-on-subsidies-surged-education-health-lagged-during-10-years-of-UPA/articleshow/30531251.cms


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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 2:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

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yeah, he sure did a lot in these 49 days. Like bad-mouth bureaucrats and everyone to the point that they will be even more scared taking any decisions, lest a Kejriwal comes along and accuses them of wrong-doing. He paralyzed governance, that's what he did! Given more time, he could have taken delhi back further back to the road-side ways...No one would have ever effed up because they would wait for orders from the top to cover their sorry asses. That's what happens when you create the kind of witch-hunt culture he did!

He went after bureaucrats as in the last 5 years Delhi saw the worst corruption ever. And changing the bureaucrats is not a recent phenomena , its a standard procedure when a change of govt happens. I would agree with you if Delhi was doing any better before him, it needs a major shakeup . For a Captial , it lacks on so many grounds and for that more than investment , administration and a strict CM is required.

at best this guy would deserve to be a quality check watchdog in an organization, not the guy you would want running your organization. He is clueless about finances, about "executing". I cant imagine him ever being able to get metro projects, hospitals, schools built. His focus and his interest and his capabilities, if any, lie totally elsewhere, in just pointing out all the things that are wrong, but no workable solutions for any of it!.

They have kept their economic plans as ambiguous as possible thats what an year old party does. His political value right now is equal or even less than Mulayam , so to ask for his economic policies is overhyping him.
Also if you are reading his financial policies wrt to FDI retain than we know states like Rajasthan have also turned them down. Also Delhi govt needs Centre's approval for all money bills. Hence Centre's game , states the cashier.

we can all agree that corruption is a problem. But so is employment and value-add jobs. When you are starving and poor, what you want are jobs and supply-side economics that reduce inflation. Corruption is at worst an irritant and something that costs maybe half a point of GDP a year. But what gets you through life are jobs and a pay-check! Push comes to shove, what would YOU have? A corruption-free experience or a job?
Inflation and GDP are national issues , need major banking and economic reforms at the top. the investment and lack of interest in Davos was more because of scams and Vodafone case. 
But the biggest bottleneck for investment from abroad remains corruption and bureaucracy. For jobs too , in Delhi , you need to go through lot of red tape. Btw manish Sisodiya mentioned how reinventing the employment exchange is one of the most important steps that they need. But for that too , you need Centre's approval

there's also a very blurry line between corrupt and non-corrupt. Even in the US, there is "corruption" of sorts. Every capitalist economy suffers from that. You don't get growth without providing profit incentives to companies and people. The rockefellers and the warburgs were also corrupt in that sense. They lobbied and they swung projects around to themselves, and they often lied and used favors to do that!  

Lobbying is legal in US hence less corruption and direct investment. But in India it is a crime (Nadia case), the secret relationship polarizes internal investors and the power is solely in tha hands of select few. Take the utilities in Delhi- reliance power has failed to pay its dues to Delhi govt when it is the one courting the price and the value for its commodity. Howz that?  Too much scandal running there, Mr Bird. I would side with Reliance if even a good rate was going towards Delhi development. Can you beleive a private firm making millions was unaudited?

now like chickens with our heads cut off, we have managed to make corruption our problem number 1. Again, my apologies, but  it's growth, it's poverty, its jobs for the millions of youth. If they don't move up the food chain quickly enough with rapid economic growth for the next few years, they will be consigned to low living standards for generations. Our demographic dividend would have gone up in smoke. All that potential wealth gone to zero, far more than all the scams added together could have cost us. Bottom-line, we cant afford for him to be running any government for even the slightest time! He could be tolerated as an anti-corruption crusader, but he is totally unfit for the kind of roles he is now aspiring for. if he was a true desh-bhakt, he would not try things he is incapable of, given that he is such a loose cannon. He would know he would be an unmitigated disaster for our country! 

Inter-related. From a normal challan to getting a job , everything has corruption as its common point. So it will always be the core issue.

I like him in the Indian Politics, for a new comer he sure has changed the game somewhat. I would take him over a Mulayam, Mayawati and Shiv Sena

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On subsidies - we has discussed , he has given 200 Cr for electricity most of which will be recovered from the first CAG report . Also if we clock the entertainment and other miscellaneous expense for other States like MP, UP , TN which give free laptops etc - this subsidiary is nothing  to their thousands of Crs.

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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 8:58pm | IP Logged
^^200 crore can be recovered, but had he been given more time, i.e., not cut short by the Lokpal fiasco, he would've positively run the coffers dry with high deficit from short-term populist investments.
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Posted: 16 February 2014 at 11:55pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

The 'constitutional-unconstitutional' part is confusing though.
Making a bill constitutional is very big thing. for this first of all u need a majority of 2/3rd in parliament. the constitutional amendment is not easy process.

i don't why they are so focussed on Lokpal bill. we have so many laws in our country. Implement is the problem not the laws. bringing a bill won't bring revolution.

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