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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 9:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ..Monica..

Right now Arvind Kejriwal has not only taken Delhi by a storm but also the whole nation. From the looks of it he is an honest politician who can definitely go a long way in the future. If he does become our PM, then India is in the hands of someone good. 


lol already his government is being criticized with much hatred.

his law minister forced two nigerian women to take urine samples because according to him black people commit crimes more often..

it is a bubble which has already burst.

anyway he tends to steal from the gullible, emotional fool votebank of the congress, so its good for bjp.

modi remains the most popular leader of india, and will benefit, as there will be a vote split between socialist pseudosecular votes of AAP and Congress (Indira)


Edited by mr.ass - 17 January 2014 at 9:37am

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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 9:57am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Initially, I was skeptical of AAP but still hopeful. I thought it was a sign of changing times. I assumed that AAP would make a positive impact in creating some corruption free politics.

 

However, now I am beyond convinced that AAP is a band of high handed, big talking fools. During their campaigning they blamed Sheila Dikshit's government for the gang rape/rape culture. Now that they are in power, they wash their hands off it and blame it on the police. The way they washed their hands of the Danish rape case is disgusting.

 

Even worse is their targeting of Africans in their so called raids. They make Sheriff Arapaio look like an angel. Yes, I understand that many drug and prostitution rings are run by Nigerians. But that doesn't mean that all Africans or Nigerians are criminals or drug dealers. To conduct such racially targeted raids, humiliate innocent civilians in the process - including women forced to pee in public for a drug test that came negative - these are all acts that are shameful.

 

I understand you want to serve the people and bust crime. But law and order exists for a reason. There is a reason you need probable cause and a warrant. There is a reason you have to follow due process. Just because you are AAP doesn't mean you ignore the law and racially target an entire community. Imagine how we would feel if US officials started raiding all and only Indian peoples homes without warrants because the stats show Indians have the highest count of illegal immigrants. I'm sorry, no matter how clean and uncorrupt you are - a racist pig is a racist pig and a shame to the nation.


i agree with you in some ways about the AAP but disagree totally with the reasons you stated. Would you want drug peddlers and pimps in your neighborhood? That's what these nigerians were up to. Also, the authorities were called by the residents. The cops had a responsibility to investigate, not use delaying tactics that would allow the pimps to run away. Even in the US, cops will break down doors and enter homes if they are called by neighbors or residents on suspected drug dealing.  

the other aspect is profiling. Now if you find an eskimo in the amazon forests, shouldn't you wonder why?LOL That's how it goes with nigerians in Delhi. Show me a nigerian in delhi and i'll show you a peddling pimp. Show me a beautiful "stan" (krygistan ...) woman, and i'll show you a hooker. Profiling works like a charm. Its what the US does so well with all its wonderful data mining techniques.Wink In our case, we need to be ever more directed and efficient with our data mining, given that we do not have infinite resources to investigate. So yeah, let's find out what the nigerian eskimos are up to.LOL 

i was fine with AAP wanting to root out corruption. But on policies, they are taking the country back to the failed socialist ideologies of the past, the nehru-gandhi charkha-spinning days.LOL Also right now we need less fragmentation in indian politics. With so many parties, that's how we end up with horse-trading and corrupt politicians... 

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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 11:25am | IP Logged
I still won't write off AAP. They are too young and inexperienced to actually be hyped or be expected to change the age-old wheels of Indian politics. The Assembly result would have surprised them too , for all they wanted was to be the opposition and frankly I think few years on the other side would have given them the time to regroup and restructure themselves as a political party. They were and still are struggling with their activist culture.Some of their agendas were too populist and vague , this shows they had no big road-map for governance. 
The thing is their intent is not wrong, I absolutely abhor and feel disgusted how the ministers are taking the vigilante role but I get why they are doing so.

Delhi as a state is a different ball game, the Police is under Home Ministry , so if a crime is committed , people will ask the CM but he/she doesn't have the authority to marshal the forces. Hence these raids are knee-jerk and desperate ways to take action and counter the public response.

Arvind needs to sack the  Minister , yet he should continue pushing for police to be brought under State govt. The nexus that has mentioned here involving certain nationals should be tackled but by right channels.

I will agree with Mr Birdie there, indeed there is a huge sex-drug racket which has proliferated in Delhi under the very knowing eyes of both govt and police, so this crackdown makes sense but not the way nor does the govt has the authority to do so right now. 

The problem with AAP is they have too much on their plate, pressure to deliver, LS polls and the increasing surge of personalities entering their party.They need to firstly go under the radar and make sure few leaders stay away from the press and above all focus on Delhi not LS polls.

I won't read into their economic policies much, they are too new and just want to have a narrative which will appeal to the masses and is different from NaMo . Give them 2-3 years and we might have a different ideology especially with so many industrialists joining the party think-tank.  Having said that I was disappointed by the FDI roll-back. 

Cong is hell bend on projecting them as a political alternative to NaMo so as to shortchange their own political loss. Hope AAP sees through the game and redirect it's focus to governance and continue working towards a long term goal.  They should not take their LS role too seriously. 

I accept AAP has changed the dynamics some what, there is lot more focus on economics , corruption and other issues. I like how both National Parties are realizing the impatience of Indian public, will keep them on the toes. Yet I hope Arvind and his party doesn't meet the VP Singh end , they can make huge contribution to the Parliament by being a constructive political party inside the house.




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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 11:34am | IP Logged
They are basically unable to cope with their newfound status as politicians, is what I feel. They should wake up and realise that a few short-term populism peddling measures can affect their political future in the long run.
About the raid, I don't know much fine details, but it was comically unbecoming of Bharti to do what he did and most bumbleheaded of Kejri to support him. I'm afraid people will stop taking them seriously very soon.

Edit--Birdie: If the police were failing/slow in their job, they should have been pulled up in the proper manner, not the Law minister himself barging in to dole out justice at the spot.

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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 11:41am | IP Logged
^^^^^ Like how people have written of Rahul G, I like how confused is  Cong about how to handle him. He is harmful for them in every way and his speech today was  hilarious,  he keeps on forgetting that it's his party which has been the govt since last 10 years.
Agreed, AAP needs to vanish from the media focus for few weeks or put a gag order on few of it's leaders. Go slow, AK or else the Aam boat will sink!

@Krystal agreed Law Minister should not take it to be streets and be the lone crusader, but Delhi people should now also ,understand that there is no way Delhi CM can control Delhi police , it's with the Lt.Governor/Home Ministry, so blaming the govt. is useless. 



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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 11:54am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

They are basically unable to cope with their newfound status as politicians, is what I feel. They should wake up and realise that a few short-term populism peddling measures can affect their political future in the long run.
About the raid, I don't know much fine details, but it was comically unbecoming of Bharti to do what he did and most bumbleheaded of Kejri to support him. I'm afraid people will stop taking them seriously very soon.

Edit--Birdie: If the police were failing/slow in their job, they should have been pulled up in the proper manner, not the Law minister himself barging in to dole out justice at the spot.

The media and the pseudos will stop taking AAP seriously. But the rickshaw walas, paan-waalas and the retired babus will be more enthu after this. And they vastly outnumber the twitter walas and blog walas.LOL

Also, the pseudo people never took AAP seriously anyway, even during delhi elections. But they got their head knocked off. Basically it's hard to predict the unpredictability of indian voters- they make educated guesses and opinions look very silly later onLOL

ps- you are right that the minister shouldn't have conducted the show himself. He's another Inspector Clouseau. He'll get the results we want, but he'll have to bungle and bumble his way into itLOL.


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Posted: 17 January 2014 at 12:04pm | IP Logged

I didn't expect AAP to deliver any results right away. My expectations were that they continuously apply pressure on Congress/BJP and focus on clean/efficient governance. The frequent loudmouth claims, vigilante raids etc are very unbecoming and tarnishing the image of the party. They have a lot of cleanup to do now and reestablish the image that got them elected. People wanted AAP, not a self proclaimed KhAAP.

 

If Kejriwal is wise, he will advice all his party members to keep mum and no comment inquiries. Apologize for the teething problems and learn from mistakes. Now that they are in power and have governance expectations - the party should get together - define a platform it stands for, define some goals and expectations of leaders/members, prioritize issues and how to address them - and go about things systematically. Haphazardly making claims, trying to address too many issues, random acts like the raids are not the way. It is better to solve one small problem completely - rather than dabble in million problems and make a mess. I'll give them a second chance if they can resolve this mess they are making ASAP.

 

As for the issues with Police - I think the problem is the hypocrisy: Back in the day AAP should have known better than accuse the previous govt of failing to manage police. Now those over the top claims are coming to bite them.  

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Posted: 18 January 2014 at 3:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

As for the issues with Police - I think the problem is the hypocrisy: Back in the day AAP should have known better than accuse the previous govt of failing to manage police. Now those over the top claims are coming to bite them.  

Explains why  the congress supported AAP to form the govt LOL
AAP  was almost pushed to form the govt and made to realise some of the ground realities and their tall claims.
 
They havent got used to the fact that they are the govt now and thus the CM threatens to sit on a dharna outside the Home Ministers office if the police officials are not suspended! Anyone not doing things their way is being labeled as "bhrast' corrupt. At this rate they could soon lose their credibility. If that happens the pressure to fight against corruption that is building  on other  political parties will soon fizzle out.

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