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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 12:21pm | IP Logged
history has always been a mystery even if its for a scholar...professor...any team of research personalities...reason they were not born in that era...noone knows what really happens...how relationship blooms in Akbar's harems...what is the relationship b/w Jodha and her parents...noone really knows what really happened...and they all have a different versions towards it...
the only fact in this history is that Akbar was married to a beautiful hindu princess...he allowed her to follow her hindu religion...customs...rituals...she has the most influence in his life...his true love...she gave birth to his son who was the next Shahenshah...she did a conversion of religion but still remain a true devotee of Lord Krishna...she taught Akbar abt various religion...and even taught him to worship hindu gods...she made the man from Jalalludin Mohammad to Akbar...

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 2:00pm | IP Logged
aaah..they shud follow the real history in tracks that r gud..but in the crap onez...hope they add their own mirch-masala story...but gud mirch-masala haan...Ermm
sab toh kaalpanik hai...Jodhaa-Akbar ki kahani kaa jo karna hai karein !!WinkLOL

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 2:03pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Mages

history has always been a mystery even if its for a scholar...professor...any team of research personalities...reason they were not born in that era...noone knows what really happens...how relationship blooms in Akbar's harems...what is the relationship b/w Jodha and her parents...noone really knows what really happened...and they all have a different versions towards it...
the only fact in this history is that Akbar was married to a beautiful hindu princess...he allowed her to follow her hindu religion...customs...rituals...she has the most influence in his life...his true love...she gave birth to his son who was the next Shahenshah...she did a conversion of religion but still remain a true devotee of Lord Krishna...she taught Akbar abt various religion...and even taught him to worship hindu gods...she made the man from Jalalludin Mohammad to Akbar...

Well put Big smile

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 5:27pm | IP Logged
Even though so far I relied on what Wikipedia was saying. It seems to me now that definitely Jodha Bai or Hira Kunwari (whatever her real name was) must have had a great influence on Akbar.
Akbar was more tolerant of Hindus than any other Mughal, nay any other Muslim ruler. And he did start the religion Din-i-Ilahi which had the good points of both the religions. Obviously he wanted to quell religious intolerance, something he would have witnessed first hand if he had a Hindu wife who he felt for deeply.

Also, Akbar was an unlettered man. He could not read and it's quite impossible that any of his other Muslim begums or many of the other scholars at his court would have told him much about Hinduism and that too favourably. This had to come from a Hindu herself.

Plus when an emperor has a hundred or more wives and thousands of daasis, women in the harem would definitely have to vie for his attention. Therefore for him to have been so sympathetic to Hindus and people of other religious denominations, he must have been very close to her and valued her deeply in so much as to empathise with the struggle that she must have faced at court as a Rajput.

And to have been so close to the emperor who could have any beautiful woman in the land, she must have been considerably beautiful herself and also talented in other arts plus quite capable.

Therefore I reckon that what they depict in the show might be quite close to reality.

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 7:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by merrydock

what i dont get is that Jodha is stated at the wife of salim/ jahangir, 
while HiraBai/ heer kuwar are stated as being Akbar's hindu wife and mother of jahangir.

Hira Kunwari/Hira Bai is Bharamal's daughter and Jehangir's mother and Akbar's wife

Jagat Gosain or Jodha Bai daughter of mota raja Udai singh is wife of Salim/Jehangir and mother of Khurram-Shah Jahan

 
so that would make Jodha Akbar's daughter in law.
 
Yes, Jodha Bai was Akbar's daughter-in-law

so how come Jodha Akbar are shown as husband and wife in movies and seirals.
 
No clue, its is an error that is repeated agian and again

do our movies really disregard history so much???? that they dont even get the names right or is there too many versions of history that things have gotten distorted.
if Jodha was never Akbars wife and this real wife was heer Kuwar 

they they should have made the title Heer Akbar, or Akbar Hira  ???

at least people would not get confused between what the read and see in the serial and movies right.
 
Whole generations are fed with lies and distortion of history, hopefully people will research and know truth. In Akbarnama itself it says Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur his daughter married Salim and Rajputs went to war over this wedding threatening to kill both Mota raja and Salim. So Akbar had to save them sending troops.
 

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 7:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sweet_diksha

u have told all the things right. just one thing missing. once Salim was born, Akbar gave her the title "Marium Uz Zamani' which held next rank to Shehenshah himself. That gave her position and she is said to be the most powerful lady after that. She is said to have the great sence of business, and was given authority over trading. 
 
Mariam-uz-zamani was title given to the next emperors mother always. Hira Bai got it for giving birth to Salim and Jodha bai got that title for giving bith to khurram-shah jahan. It was Salima begum who used the emperor's seal not Hira Kunwari. Salima begum handled court affairs in his absence at agra issuing farmans in his name. Hira kunwari handled pilgimages and owned ships and helped in trades. Hamida Banu was the authority after Akbar on any matter in kingdom as she was Malika-e-azam. Mariam-uz-zamani got prominence only because she gave birth to Salim but as such she was not as powerful as Hamida Banu, Ruqaiah and Salima Begum in Mughal court because the nobels shunned his hindu wives and would not listen to them. Hence Akbar had to issue farmans so that they help her to carry out her work unhindered.  

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 8:12pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Mages

history has always been a mystery even if its for a scholar...professor...any team of research personalities...reason they were not born in that era...noone knows what really happens...how relationship blooms in Akbar's harems...what is the relationship b/w Jodha and her parents...noone really knows what really happened...and they all have a different versions towards it...
the only fact in this history is that Akbar was married to a beautiful hindu princess...he allowed her to follow her hindu religion...customs...rituals...she has the most influence in his life...his true love...she gave birth to his son who was the next Shahenshah...she did a conversion of religion but still remain a true devotee of Lord Krishna...she taught Akbar abt various religion...and even taught him to worship hindu gods...she made the man from Jalalludin Mohammad to Akbar...
 
It is again a myth that Akbar learned about various religions because he was taught by his hindu wife and became more tolerant. Akbar was always interested in philosophy from before. He was brought up in Rewa palace and his best friend was Prince Ram Singh I of Rewa. Akbar was appointed same tutors as Ram Singh but he could not read/write as much as teachers tried. When Akbar was young(before marrying jodha) he learnt about Meera Bai from Tansen and went to mewar to listen to her bhajans in krishna mandir inside the fort in disguise. Tansen was that time in court of his childhood friend Ram Singh I. Akbar was so mermerised and lost himself in her bhajan that he gifted her his necklace which he placed at feet of Lord Krishna as per her wish.
 
Akbar even visited Allahabad-prayag with his friend Ram Singh I and after that wanted to drink water from only ganges river all life. So the fact that he became tolerant after marrying hira kunwari was just a myth created by people. He was always inclined to philosophy just that since Maham anag and Bairam khan handled power he could not begin his broad minded reforms earlier. But he was always open minded from childhood and liked philosophy. The only class that Akbar attended without bunking in childhood was philosophy.
 
It was a coincidence that he married Hira Bia and both Biaram Khan and maham anga went out of his life same time and he became independent to bring liberal views into affect. Jiyaza the tax on other religious pilgrimage was also abolished because Prince Ram Singh I his childhood friend requested him to abolish it as it was causing inconvience to all citizens(of Rewa). Yes Akbar became more liberal after marrying Hira Kunwari but the credit lies with his childhood friend whom Akbar was very close all life. Akbar who never went to any function of Rajput relatives(wives family) attended his friend and his sister's weddings although was adviced that it may be risky to go there as threat to life from other kings. Akbar considered Ram Singh more than a brother and the citizens of Rewa were never threatened by mughal forces.
 
Similarly Ram Singh I was always invited for any ocassions of Akbar and his family be it wedding, funeral etc. Ram Singh was appointed foster father to his son and daughters which itself showed how much he trusted him. Only Akbar's foster parents and brothers could have lunch with him along with few trusted minsiters ocassionally. None of the rajputs ate with him exception being Ram Singh I and his family. Indeed the only members allowed into Akbar's harem(men) was Ram Singh I and not Man Singh as shown in serial. Akbar who had not allowed Adham Khan and Sharifuddin in harem allowed Ram Singh to the harem. He was so close and trusted his friend and his family very much. Its much later that he started trusting Man Singh and jodha's family. The ulemma who often made issue on Jodha and his other hindu wives in court dared not speak against Ram Singh as they knew Akbar would not tolerate a word against his childhood friend and his family.
 
Indeed Jehangir who had a bad temper, would not listen to anyone after becoming emperor he still allowed rewa kings to rule independently as under akbar. It was because of Akbar's relation with Ram Singh I.
 
The problem is many people want to romaticize history and hence they link Akbar's liberal policy to Hira Kunwari marrying him.
  
 


Edited by myviewprem - 07 November 2013 at 8:50pm

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Posted: 07 November 2013 at 8:51pm | IP Logged
There is no unanimity in these historians notes so whom do we trust??? But I am sure inspite of the disclaimer that the serial announces at the beginning of the episodes, they must have done some research atleast. And who can blame the CVs for these sugar coated romance, aren't we all addicted to the show alreadySmile.

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