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Did the Holocaust really take place?

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Posted: 17 October 2013 at 7:20pm | IP Logged
Or was it a Holohoax. Your opinions please!

The gas chambers WERE NOT DISCOVERED by the Western Allies and the Red Army. Where the hell did they come from then?

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One thing unfortunate about history is we can't take whatever told to us as truths. History is always written by winners. Afterall the Western allies had to have some justification for the World War II.  Therefore it is quite possible, they may have made exaggerated figures about the holocaust.
We all know at the end of the World War 1, Germany was terribly humiliated. I still could not accept was Germany the cause of both the World wars? We all know that the other colonial powers were also very much greedy. One reason they attribute to World War 1 was, Germany also competed for colonies apart from England and France. England had the need to check Germany. And in the end of the World war 1, the German colonies were taken away by the allies.

When Hitler asked, 'How is Britain entitled to rule the whole World?' I strongly believe every Indian would resonate with that statement. Definitely based on what we read about Hitler's behavior, he did commit a lot of atrocities. But what about the atrocities British committed in India? How could British  assume to have moral authority   , if they themselves committed atrocities in the whole World?

Perhaps instead of accepting some written history to be truth, people could do better to analyze what could all be the possibilities based on certain situations. I don't claim much knowledge in history. All I am saying are my views in this area.  
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Posted: 18 October 2013 at 6:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Roshan-

Or was it a Holohoax. Your opinions please!

The gas chambers WERE NOT DISCOVERED by the Western Allies and the Red Army. Where the hell did they come from then?


If the holocaust did not take place then what happen to the 6 million Jews who disappeared?  The piles of bodies left to rot outside the death camps are proof. The millions of articles of clothing in storage at camps like Auschwitz are proof. There is enough proof and documentary which proves that the holocaust did take place.

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Umm how are you saying that no gas chambers were discovered? Do you have actual scholastic citation for it? Did you know you can actually tour the former gas chambers like Madjanek and Auschwitz? How do you explain these gas chambers? Were these gas chambers were created later to promote tourist interests and shock value?

Personally, I've found holocaust denial to be an extremely anti-Semitic statement.

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Posted: 18 October 2013 at 8:55am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Umm how are you saying that no gas chambers were discovered? Do you have actual scholastic citation for it? Did you know you can actually tour the former gas chambers like Madjanek and Auschwitz? How do you explain these gas chambers? Were these gas chambers were created later to promote tourist interests and shock value?

Personally, I've found holocaust denial to be an extremely anti-Semitic statement.



There's a difference between being a holocaust denier and disapproving some parts of it. And to label everything anti-Semitic isn't very wise and erudite either. There are survivors who have denied the existence of the gas chambers too. Historians have doubted their existence at some point or the other. Some have believed that they were built AFTER the camps had been liberated.

Personally, I feel they existed. Yes, the people were exterminated. Yes, there were massacres taking place. However, since history and its pages are decorated by men (and women) themselves, I am a bit incredulous of certain claims like the big 6 million figure of the exterminated Jews. One such research redirects me to this: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t790421/. Since I didn't live through those times (and thank God for that!), I am only skeptical, to say the least.
 
Yes, I am well-aware of the tours and I am planning on visiting Poland in March. You're more than welcome to come join me! Let's do it together.
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Although this is more or less a conspiracy theory video (I'd call it a rebuttal video), it does provoke a thought or two.


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Posted: 18 October 2013 at 9:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by maha2us

One thing unfortunate about history is we can't take whatever told to us as truths. History is always written by winners. Afterall the Western allies had to have some justification for the World War II.  Therefore it is quite possible, they may have made exaggerated figures about the holocaust.


The holocaust was not a justification of World War II, the holocaust was a factual discovery of World War II. The German invasion of sovereign nations like Poland, Austria and France was justification of World War II. Had Germany just conducted an internal genocide, most nations would not have intervened.

Originally posted by maha2us

We all know at the end of the World War 1, Germany was terribly humiliated. I still could not accept was Germany the cause of both the World wars? We all know that the other colonial powers were also very much greedy. One reason they attribute to World War 1 was, Germany also competed for colonies apart from England and France. England had the need to check Germany. And in the end of the World war 1, the German colonies were taken away by the allies.


Your mention of "German colonies" reflects a lack of historic understanding. There was no such thing as German colonies. The colonizing European nations were Britian, France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium and Netherlands. During the colonization era German rulers had an isolationist policy. They never colonized. Kaiser William II tried to change that by having an expansionist policy. The trigger for WWI was the assassination of Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Serbia. This caused Austria-Hungary and its ally to declare war against Serbia and Serbian allies retaliated. Germany being the biggest power in the Austria-Hungary-Germany alliance took center stage.

 

The treaty of Versailles which ended WWI was a very unfair treaty which heavily punished Germany financially. The problem was that the civilians of Germany had to pay the price for the ambitions of Otto Van Bismarck and Kaiser William II. Germany was in deep recession with high unemployment. It was the aftermath of the treaty that gave rise to Nazi socialism and the Third Reich.

Blaming Germany or acquitting Germany are both extreme oversimplifications of complex reasons for war.

Originally posted by maha2us

When Hitler asked, 'How is Britain entitled to rule the whole World?' I strongly believe every Indian would resonate with that statement. Definitely based on what we read about Hitler's behavior, he did commit a lot of atrocities. But what about the atrocities British committed in India? How could British  assume to have moral authority   , if they themselves committed atrocities in the whole World?


India was mighty lucky. We were lucky it was Britain that colonized us and not Spain. The Spanish inquisition was horrifyingly cruel and wiped out entire civilizations. We were lucky we were India and not Africa which got exploited for slave trade. Actually, we Indians bought African slaves from the colonizers. And the genocide of Jews isn't even remotely comparable to British colonization. I find it very irksome when people compare colonization to genocide. It isn't the same, and it isn't comparable.

 

Most importantly two wrongs don't make a right. British colonization doesn't justify German genocide, nor does it make British retaliation wrong. Moreover, reducing WWII to a moral argument is another false simplification.

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Posted: 18 October 2013 at 9:23am | IP Logged
This was one of my first research tools that really put me to thoughts. This documentary was filmed and produced by a Jewish man himself.

No, I am not a Holocaust denier - I never was! But then, when you are presented with alternative facts, your mind and soul will oscillate between accepting the facts and reviewing the other side of the coin.




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