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George Orwell has a great write up on nationalism'. http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

 

Some amount of national pride is good and even necessary. However, nationalism is different from patriotism. Nationalism is more on par with a feverish blind faith on behalf of a nation. Unbridled and uninhibited, it can become myopic, obsessive and even oppressive. Nazi Germany is an extreme example of how nationalism can easily escalate and get derailed into something much more sinister.

 

Not all Hindu nationalists are bad people. Many are simple people who have pride in their religion and country. Many genuinely want progress for India. But many times they lack an objective viewpoint and unfairly favor the Hindu majority. This is the same of the Muslim leader, the Dalit leader, the Labor leader. They are all obsessively blinded by their cause and lose sight of the big picture. It would be impossible to find a human being who doesn't have a slight partial inclination. However, I think it is in the best interest we persuade and demand that our leaders shed the divisive undertones like Hindu nationalist, Muslim League etc and focus on simply being "Indian"

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 2:21pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ramjaane

1. I am saying on facts read again 
It is wrong  to think that these are byproduct of partition horror if that is so then the most volatile should be the region which not only witness but majorly suffer the partition religious horror like West Bengal or in Punjab. If we look at history than Infact west bengal have no history of riots during 1992 when India witnessed riots all over. where i make it a congress  propaganda infact read again where i said congress specially rajiv gandhi  is the main igniter of all these mandir masjid conflict. 


who says Punjab is not volatile? Look at Pak Punjab- it is the bedrock of Paki terrorism! Remember, Kasab came from there. Yes, Indian Punjab has been more stable but i believe it has also seen volatile times- case in point being the period around the 1984 riots. But then that's something we can thank the congress Gandhis for. 

also, i am not sure why we have to confine this to Punjab and Bengal. The bigger point is that riots have been with us since partition. They didn't just come about after 1992. And in almost every case, they have been in congress-ruled states. 

in fact, we can take your point about punjab being stable and ask- why have other states undergone communal tensions, many before 1992? I am sure Congress will have us believe that all this started only after 1992, but that's not true by any shot. 

look, the fact is that plenty of minorities in India have not integrated themselves into the fabric of India... whether it's flying Paki flags during cricket matches or demanding special rights for themselves, they stick out like a sore thumb. Which majority on earth will tolerate that? That said, i think the majority in India has been a pretty tolerant crowd and it's high time their interests were represented too... you have various clerics and the congress party speaking up for the minorities, why resent someone for just trying to level the playing field?

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

George Orwell has a great write up on nationalism'. http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

 

Some amount of national pride is good and even necessary. However, nationalism is different from patriotism. Nationalism is more on par with a feverish blind faith on behalf of a nation. Unbridled and uninhibited, it can become myopic, obsessive and even oppressive. Nazi Germany is an extreme example of how nationalism can easily escalate and get derailed into something much more sinister.

 

Not all Hindu nationalists are bad people. Many are simple people who have pride in their religion and country. Many genuinely want progress for India. But many times they lack an objective viewpoint and unfairly favor the Hindu majority. This is the same of the Muslim leader, the Dalit leader, the Labor leader. They are all obsessively blinded by their cause and lose sight of the big picture. It would be impossible to find a human being who doesn't have a slight partial inclination. However, I think it is in the best interest we persuade and demand that our leaders shed the divisive undertones like Hindu nationalist, Muslim League etc and focus on simply being "Indian"


unfairly favor the Hindu majority? You mean by just trying to level the playing field so that everyone's treated equally? Now that's favoritism for sure, of the Orwellian kindsLOL

One needs to evolve, cant be tied down to static viewpoints. The need of the hour is nationalism. Japanese had that spirit after WW2 and they've been better off for it.

it's really sickening to have people talking of special rights for certain segments when the government cant get economic policies right, policies that would lift generations of Indians out of poverty. it's criminal to be speaking of all the pseudo stuff when we have people who are dirt poor... Folks should try being poor and then see what's important. Remember, we are not yet at the highest stages of evolution where we can get cute with fancy issues such as lesbo/ gay marriages etc. Our issues are more primeval currently! 

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Posted: 10 September 2013 at 2:34pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by apoorvaarnav

what i feel is.. ayodhya was originally a ram mandir ! and it should have stayed that way... but politicians brought in religion..they created riots.. and we people suffered.
advani will be a good PM.. then comes modi ..rahul gandhi etc is a big no !

rajiv gandhi was a good man.. but he should not have interfered with the sri lankans and also bangladesh pakistan war!

yes agreed RG had his merits..

but then call it politics skillss immaturity or whatever, couldn't deliver much..ofcourse..had he been alive..who knows story might have been different..who knows!

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Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

Originally posted by return_to_hades

George Orwell has a great write up on nationalism'. http://orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

 

Some amount of national pride is good and even necessary. However, nationalism is different from patriotism. Nationalism is more on par with a feverish blind faith on behalf of a nation. Unbridled and uninhibited, it can become myopic, obsessive and even oppressive. Nazi Germany is an extreme example of how nationalism can easily escalate and get derailed into something much more sinister.

 

Not all Hindu nationalists are bad people. Many are simple people who have pride in their religion and country. Many genuinely want progress for India. But many times they lack an objective viewpoint and unfairly favor the Hindu majority. This is the same of the Muslim leader, the Dalit leader, the Labor leader. They are all obsessively blinded by their cause and lose sight of the big picture. It would be impossible to find a human being who doesn't have a slight partial inclination. However, I think it is in the best interest we persuade and demand that our leaders shed the divisive undertones like Hindu nationalist, Muslim League etc and focus on simply being "Indian"


unfairly favor the Hindu majority? You mean by just trying to level the playing field so that everyone's treated equally? Now that's favoritism for sure, of the Orwellian kindsLOL

One needs to evolve, cant be tied down to static viewpoints. The need of the hour is nationalism. Japanese had that spirit after WW2 and they've been better off for it.

it's really sickening to have people talking of special rights for certain segments when the government cant get economic policies right, policies that would lift generations of Indians out of poverty. it's criminal to be speaking of all the pseudo stuff when we have people who are dirt poor... Folks should try being poor and then see what's important. Remember, we are not yet at the highest stages of evolution where we can get cute with fancy issues such as lesbo/ gay marriages etc. Our issues are more primeval currently! 


I am not in favor of special rights for any segment. Rather I am stating that every citizen should be considered equally.

India is not Japan. There is a staggering number of diverse religious, cultural, social, economic, ethnic, linguistic backgrounds in India. That cannot be ignored.

The playing field is not level. Historically, minorities have always been oppressed by majorities and not received their fair shot at economic growth. India  attained freedom in this uneven playing field. Instead of trying to level the playing field, the government decided to rig some games in the favor of minorities or gave them performance enhancement drugs.  Opponents of such reservation and special privileges are revoking these rigged games and exceptions, and rightly so they are unfair. But that still brings us back to square one, the uneven playing field democratic India inherited. No one has ever focused on actually making the field level. Minorities will end up being at a disadvantage and we need to find a way to change that without rigging the game or cheating.


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Look what Rajiv Gandhi family has done to the institutional post called PM: LOL

http://www.fakingnews.firstpost.com/2013/09/manmohan-singh-becomes-ms-office-assistant-to-rahul-gandhi/


After Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh declared that he was willing to work under Rahul Gandhi, Microsoft has come forward to help Dr. Singh realize his dreams.

Microsoft has turned MMS into an MS Office Assistant. Remember that paper clip, cute dog, the wizard, and other assistants? MMS will be a similar personal assistant to the youth icon.

Faking News tried this special version of MS Office, which is brilliantly personalized for Rahul Gandhi, and we found that the assistant was working really well:

MMS Office Assistant

MMS will welcome Prime Minister Rahul Gandhi to work

MMS Office Assistant

The Office Assistant will know what is the best for Rahul Gandhi

MMS Office Assistant

Prime Minister Rahul Gandhi will benefit from the experience of MMS

MMS Office Assistant

The assistant will try best, but even the best technologies have limitations

MMS Office Assistant

MS Office is all about files, and MMS is all about missing files.

MMS Office Assistant

However, some files are just too precious and important to go missing.

MMS Office Assistant

The office assistant showed some signs of frustration too

MMS Office Assistant

And if one assistant fails, there are always more who are happy to help.

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Additionally, on Congress 


a) Between 1950 & Jawaharlal Nehru's death, 243 riots were documented in 16 states... and for this governance' he got "Bharat Ratna"

b) During Indira Gandhi's rule (66-77 & 80-84), 337 riots were documented in 15 states... and this 'governance' got her "Bharat Ratna". Indira by far takes the shield for being the worst administrator of India when it comes to domestic security of its citizens

c) During Rajiv Gandhi's rule, 291 riots documented in 16 states, including the barbaric Sikh slaughter by his party's goons... and this governance' got him "Bharat Ratna"! And he gets another trophy for having the 2nd largest number of riots "under his belt", even though he ruled for just 5 years!

d) There were 1,194 communal riots documented in India from 1950-1995. Out of these 871 or 72.95% were during Nehru, Indira & Rajiv's PM-ship!

e) And for those who were stuck like broken gramophone in 2002, between 1950 and 1995, 245 (yes Two Hundred and Forty Five) riots were documented in the state of Gujarat. Yes, long before Narendra Modi!

Now over to the hall-of-shame worst 18 (apart from 2002) using info someone already computed for us:

WORST riot: 1947 Communal riots in Bengal | 5000-10000 Killed | Ruling party happened to be Congress

Riot 2: 1969 | Communal riots in Ahmedabad | More than 512 Killed in the city. 3000 to 15000 range in the entire state | Riots for 6 months | Ruling party happened to be Congress

Riot 3: Oct 1984 | Communal riots in Delhi | 2733 Killed | Ruling party Congress | Almost 100% casualty were Sikhs, which makes this a Rajiv Gandhi led genocide on India's minorities | Followed by "Big Tree falls" justification too from the Prime Minister!

Riot 4: Feb 1983 | Communal violence in Nellie, Assam | 2000-5000 killed | PM - Indira Gandhi (Congress party) - India's worst slaughter of Muslims in any single riot (just 6 HOURS)

Riot 5: 1964 Communal riots in Rourkela & Jamshedpur | 2000 Killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 6: August 1980 | Moradabad Communal riots | Approx 2000 Killed | Ruling Party Congress

Riot 7: October 1989 | Bhagalpur, Bihar riots | 800 to 2000 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 8: Dec 1992 - Jan 1993 | Mumbai, Maharashtra riots | 800 to 2000 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 9: April 1985 | Communal riots in Ahmedabad, Gujarat | At least 300 Killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 10: Dec 1992 | Aligarh, UP | At least 176 killed | Ruling party Congress (President's rule)

Riot 11: December 1992 | Surat, Gujarat | At least 175 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 12: December 1990 | Hyderabad, AP | At least 132 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 13: August 1967 | 200 Killed | Communal riots in Ranchi | Party ruling again Congress

Riot 14: April 1979 | Communal riots in Jamshedpur, West Bengal | More than 125 killed | Ruling party CPIM (Communist Party)

Riot 15: 1970 | Bhiwandi communal riots in Maharashtra | Around 80 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 16: May 1984 | Communal riots in Bhiwandi | 146 Killed, 611 Inj | Ruling party Congress | CM - Vasandada Patil

Riot 17: Apr-May 1987 | Communal violence in Meerut, UP | 81 killed | Ruling party Congress

Riot 18: July 1986 | Communal violence in Ahmedabad, Gujarat | 59 Killed | Ruling party Congress



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