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Posted: 11 September 2013 at 1:58pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by karandel_2008



Sure I am talking about long term solutions, what is the problem with long term solutions? They are slow, but whats the harm if we try them too along with your short term solutions?

What are your solutions to better policing? If you are in favour of just better policing then your own stats contradict your point LOL We have better policing in many western countries, but then why are your stats showing things in very bad light?

Policing is not scalable in the sense that you cant expect police to stand next to the door of every house or every girl. With relatively low number of police people, how do we solve the problem of unreported rape cases and the juvenile problem that in Asia men become rapists at young age like 14-16?

About moral education, its not about just knowing, but its about molding small kids to become better citizen. I am talking about good upbringing that itself will lead to better policing too. As a good citizen can also become a better policeman.

About deterence, I agree and myself pointed it out before.

LOL to your point above in bold, that' simple STAT 101. Among other things, western countries do have more females venturing out, staying out late, going out on dates etc. Keep the conditional variables the same and you'll see what better policing can do. So this is where one shouldn''t be looking to do cross-sectional analysis, for the simple reason that factors change from one country to the next. Within a country, better policing would help. And that's another thing. Start with a good hypothesis, that's the other thing one needs for STAT 101.LOL.

so what are you offering anyway? A long-term solution that's fuzzy. Should women feel happy knowing you're working up some moral literature in the long-run, and they have to make do with getting raped between now and then? LOL Do people even have to be taught that rape is immoral/ criminal? If your answer to that is yes, then you're being very cynical about the state of affairs, all the more reason why one needs to start with cop-work. Cant be having an entire generation of women getting raped while you work up your moral theories..

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Posted: 11 September 2013 at 2:06pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

Originally posted by karandel_2008



Sure I am talking about long term solutions, what is the problem with long term solutions? They are slow, but whats the harm if we try them too along with your short term solutions?

What are your solutions to better policing? If you are in favour of just better policing then your own stats contradict your point LOL We have better policing in many western countries, but then why are your stats showing things in very bad light?

Policing is not scalable in the sense that you cant expect police to stand next to the door of every house or every girl. With relatively low number of police people, how do we solve the problem of unreported rape cases and the juvenile problem that in Asia men become rapists at young age like 14-16?

About moral education, its not about just knowing, but its about molding small kids to become better citizen. I am talking about good upbringing that itself will lead to better policing too. As a good citizen can also become a better policeman.

About deterence, I agree and myself pointed it out before.

LOL to your point above in bold, that' simple STAT 101. Among other things, western countries do have more females venturing out, staying out late, going out on dates etc. Keep the conditional variables the same and you'll see what better policing can do. So this is where one shouldn''t be looking to do cross-sectional analysis, for the simple reason that factors change from one country to the next. Within a country, better policing would help. And that's another thing. Start with a good hypothesis, that's the other thing one needs for STAT 101.LOL.

so what are you offering anyway? A long-term solution that's fuzzy. Should women feel happy knowing you're working up some moral literature in the long-run, and they have to make do with getting raped between now and then? LOL Do people even have to be taught that rape is immoral/ criminal? If your answer to that is yes, then you're being very cynical about the state of affairs, all the more reason why one needs to start with cop-work. Cant be having an entire generation of women getting raped while you work up your moral theories..


Ya lol about STAT 101 LOL

Point is that sure lets try some of your (edit: fast) solutions like hanging a few rapists. But, at the same time we have to think about much deeper causes and have to find long term solutions for them. Moral education and good upbringing is one of them. It was on the same line with your one liner on failing society.


Edited by karandel_2008 - 11 September 2013 at 2:07pm

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Posted: 11 September 2013 at 2:15pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by karandel_2008

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About stats from UK, Sweden, etc: I know, but you have to consider the factor that their society is on the other side of the openness scale, whether good or bad. Girls roam around freely at night, sometimes drunk, and in general are very easy targets for criminals. Whereas in India rapes happen even when girls' mobility is very restrictive and protective.


Above is what I too said on STAT 101.

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Posted: 11 September 2013 at 6:04pm | IP Logged
It is all about power. Education has nothing to do with rapes. Many teachers, high ranking officers and businessmen also rape.

Men think of themselves as superior. And physically they are too (for most of the time).

Women are weaker and are treated as sex objects. So any female who is "within their reach" is "available" in their eyes.

They want sexual gratification, they think of overpowering women as a sign of masculinity and power and rape, especially gang rape is an activity of entertainment for them.

Rapes with poorer women and kids go less reported or unpunished so that gives them more "confidence" and they feel they can target anyone and not get caught.

Rape has been there since time immemorial and it is considered a routine. Nobody takes it seriously.

For men, especially Indian men, if a woman is outside or if she even responded to them, then it implies she is available.

Warped mentality! Dead

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Posted: 12 September 2013 at 1:43am | IP Logged
Rapes happen because of the patriachal system that does NOT consider women as "three-dimensionally human" as men.

I have to dig for details, but I'd come across a newspaper study which mentioned that a majority of men surveyed tended to view women who dress "skimpily" as "objects". Silly


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Posted: 12 September 2013 at 7:37am | IP Logged
Skimpily dressed is an excuse. Even women in burqa are raped. And recently there have been cases when teens have raped even 80+ old women who are grannies!

It's all about power and control for them. Violence, deviant behaviour and forcing/overpowering women makes them feel more "manly" and good.

Given so many incidences of rapes, they think it is common occurence and that it would go unreported or they won't be discovered.

Even these Delhi gang rape perpetrators had shamelessly said they did not know it would escalate to this!

They think woman will cry or die and they'd go scot free.

Mumbai ones had "successfully" raped many poor women and never got caught so they decided to pounce upon that journalist too.

Deviance gives a certain kick to those who indulge in it. They feel great that they hoodwinked the system and showed a middle finger to society and so called law. And their thinking is, as Anupam Kher said in Special 26, "Yaar koi bada haath maarte hain".

Males are very casual about rape. No wonder many of them said in a recent survey that they had raped out of boredom/for fun, to release stress or because they felt they had right to have sex with any female whenever they wanted. The animal instinct is always there even if we pretend to be superior as humans! They know they are physically stronger and can overpower a female, so they'll do it, giving in to their instinct!

For many of them forcing themselves upon a woman is as easy and routine as say, watching TV or having a drink.

Frankly, when these discussions and reportage of rape cases takes place, people get intrigued. And they do not feel scared or disgusted, rather the perverts feel there are many like them and they are not alone and they feel more eager to "try" committing one rape themselves.

Reportage and debate about crime does not just inform people. It also serves as an observation/learning tool for others who are attracted by idea of violence/crime.

Incidents of rapes, acid attacks and honour killings have only increased since the media coverage around them increased.

As people debate about Mumbai/Delhi here, a 2 year old has been gangraped in Ludhiana and a 4 year old was raped by a neighbour and her rectum was pulled out - she was thrown in a well and her rectum was hung outside the well. Her rotting body was found few days later (this is also some village in Punjab).

Nothing has stopped. It is only worsening and rising.

Rather the mothers of the accused in Mumbai and Delhi rape cases are shouting to media that their sons are innocent and could never do "such" a thing.

Blame the blind mothers also who keep batting for their kid till the end. As if pampering them rotten earlier and overlooking their bad habits was not enough earlier. Dead

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Have a question:
iN india, at present,

do you think its wrong if public nabs even one rapists and sets him on fire?


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Posted: 12 September 2013 at 9:00am | IP Logged
Originally posted by enigmatic_zephy

Have a question:
iN india, at present,

do you think its wrong if public nabs even one rapists and sets him on fire?


Any act of lynching anywhere in the world is wrong - however wouldn't object to Bobbitizing a few

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