Debate Mansion

   

Is the lack of education/awareness causing rape? (Page 6)

Post Reply New Post

Page 6 of 15

moomin4455

IF-Dazzler

moomin4455

Joined: 08 March 2012

Posts: 4211

Posted: 08 September 2013 at 7:44am | IP Logged
Originally posted by asha_parekh

Name calling and coloring all men in the same color will not solve anything but make things more complicated. We must remember that the daughters who are raped are some father's daughter and some man's love. Repeatedly we have seen helpless fathers and beaten up men. Father's running on the streets to the Police or the Hospital, helpless. The male lover or friend, blood soaked and beaten, in critical condition on a hospital bed.

While I agree that mother's must teach their son's and become more strict, enforce limitations on TV and not compromise on the basis of false sexist beliefs; it is also important to educate girls on moderation in their attitude, lifestyle and dress manners.

It cannot only be the responsibility of the family, but also the media and the community as a whole.

Why is it so funny that this decay of our society might be a foreign conspiracy?

It is important to educate girls on their dress, behaviour etc etc? I'm suspecting most of the women, actually forget women, ALL the children who were raped were not sexually provoking their rapist. I hope you are not implying that the victims were dressed to provoke? 

Frankly, I could be walking buck naked down the road. If I say 'NO!' I mean no. The way a woman dresses has nothing to do with the justification of rape. Saying that it is would be passing the buck and absolving men who cannot control their urges and behave like animals.

The previous post to which you refer is not name calling all men I suspect, but men who cannot distinguish between behaving like a human and behaving like a deranged, psychotic animal. The lack of respect for women in general in India is also demonstrated by the law, with one of the rapists convicted in the Dehli rape case being given just a paltry 3 year sentence. That lack of respect for women and for the poor or average middle class woman is rife in India. That is not a conspiracy.

However I would say one thing: to say rape is the most prevalent in India is laughable. The US and UK rape statistics are pretty high too. 

As for decay in our society...well that implies that it was once better. I truly believe that it's always been this bad. The world has become smaller with social networking, almost everyone having access to Smart phones: victims and their peers no longer have to keep quiet. Now we're seeing how bad the situation really is.


Edited by moomin4455 - 08 September 2013 at 7:51am

The following 4 member(s) liked the above post:

Bazigarsub_rosaRehanism-Purva-

Dear Guest, Being an unregistered member you are missing out on participating in the lively discussions happening on the topic "Is the lack of education/awareness causing rape? (Page 6)" in Debate Mansion forum. In addition you lose out on the fun interactions with fellow members and other member exclusive features that India-Forums has to offer. Join India's most popular discussion portal on Indian Entertainment. It's FREE and registration is effortless so JOIN NOW!

srutyhc

Senior Member

srutyhc

Joined: 13 October 2011

Posts: 814

Posted: 08 September 2013 at 11:00am | IP Logged
Iliterate humans only not involve in this ilegal kind of gesture...but even the EDUCATED humans also involve there hand of support..
why why ??? only girls/women have to bear all these indoloence towards society ie..not going out all alone, after 7 back up, dress manners...
what is this ..i mean is this the way we girls have to live our life according to the rights framed by these mens...
oh common..we arent the puppets in these[man] hands of luxury...
the preamble  of our country says
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a 
SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its 
citizens: 
JUSTICE, social, economic and political; 
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; 
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; 
and to promote among them all 
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the 
Nation;

and do you think in this era of living do these apply to our society naa...

rather it has to be the saying of SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE...

U GIVE ME BLOOD I GIVE U RESPECT...

apoorvaarnav

Goldie

apoorvaarnav

Joined: 10 April 2012

Posts: 2397

Posted: 08 September 2013 at 11:04am | IP Logged
wanna curb rapes.. then stop your sons ..dont lecture your daughters !

The following 2 member(s) liked the above post:

-Purva-atominis

karandel_2008

IF-Rockerz

karandel_2008

Joined: 09 December 2008

Posts: 5756

Posted: 09 September 2013 at 4:24pm | IP Logged
I think its a very important issue and I think that some of these criminals are a friend or a family members of some politicians. However many others are usually a result of bad parenting, bad schools and bad colleges, where the culture is already rotten. These guys treat women as objects, but contrastingly their sisters and mothers are their honour.

Talking about parenting, some of their parents even encourage them to steal small things like fruits etc. Parenting for these moms and dads is just about earning money, feeding them, beating them or leaving them out to play or out to school. Forget about sitting with the kids, having dinner conversations or solving their issues in a right way.

These kids will start to go to rotten schools and will meet bigger criminals. First, they will start eve-teasing that may be inspired by some bollywood heroes. Gradually they grow up to become sexually starved guys. Most of them will lack in good personality. Forget about getting a gf, most of them cant even hold a conversation, as all their knowledge is limited to girls, sex and perveted jokes.

Sometimes one of them will get a gf and invite her to some isolated house. It will be a hell for the girl as his friends will outnumber the girl and take their turns! After that once a criminal, always a criminal will mostly hold. They will remain undeterred crime after crime. The girls who are aged 14-15 never speak up, being young and subservient used to being dominated at their homes. Also how will they answer why did they go there?Other bigger criminals are already murderers or robbers who frequent some isolated places like those under construction. From time to time a couple will come their looking for privacy. These guys will beat up the guy and molest the girl.

Thus, if we look at these things, then good moral education, good parenting and good upbringing is missing here. Also, may be if whole society learns to respect women then may be they will too. Our cultural fabric is also over stressed. On one hand sex is a taboo, many people want to be a part of our old culture that was also about renoucing material things, but on other hand sex is just in our face with item songs, pretentious richer people, and what not. Talking about sex education, it just makes the matters worse by making sexually starved people more desperate. Talking about movies, some of them even have heroes doing eve-teasing!

Although its a diff topic, with some good points in favour some not, but for the moment our India does not have any sexual freedom. Couples still have to look for that isolated place! As for girls, they should just be prudent while it is dangerous out there. Most girls cant single handedly take on 3-4 guys so should stay out of isolated places. They should not tolerate eve teasing etc and should raise the issue immediately.

We need good policing too. Police usually catches some genuine couples rather than some criminals who have connections with politicians.

The following 3 member(s) liked the above post:

LovelyPlanet-Purva-atominis

LovelyPlanet

Goldie

LovelyPlanet

Joined: 03 October 2009

Posts: 1854

Posted: 09 September 2013 at 4:44pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by karandel_2008

I think its a very important issue and I think that some of these criminals are a friend or a family members of some politicians. However many others are usually a result of bad parenting, bad schools and bad colleges, where the culture is already rotten. These guys treat women as objects, but contrastingly their sisters and mothers are their honour.

Talking about parenting, some of their parents even encourage them to steal small things like fruits etc. Parenting for these moms and dads is just about earning money, feeding them, beating them or leaving them out to play or out to school. Forget about sitting with the kids, having dinner conversations or solving their issues in a right way.

These kids will start to go to rotten schools and will meet bigger criminals. First, they will start eve-teasing that may be inspired by some bollywood heroes. Gradually they grow up to become sexually starved guys. Most of them will lack in good personality. Forget about getting a gf, most of them cant even hold a conversation, as all their knowledge is limited to girls, sex and perveted jokes.

Sometimes one of them will get a gf and invite her to some isolated house. It will be a hell for the girl as his friends will outnumber the girl and take their turns! After that once a criminal, always a criminal will mostly hold. They will remain undeterred crime after crime. The girls who are aged 14-15 never speak up, being young and subservient used to being dominated at their homes. Also how will they answer why did they go there?Other bigger criminals are already murderers or robbers who frequent some isolated places like those under construction. From time to time a couple will come their looking for privacy. These guys will beat up the guy and molest the girl.

Thus, if we look at these things, then good moral education, good parenting and good upbringing is missing here. Also, may be if whole society learns to respect women then may be they will too. Our cultural fabric is also over stressed. On one hand sex is a taboo, many people want to be a part of our old culture that was also about renoucing material things, but on other hand sex is just in our face with item songs, pretentious richer people, and what not. Talking about sex education, it just makes the matters worse by making sexually starved people more desperate. Talking about movies, some of them even have heroes doing eve-teasing!

Although its a diff topic, with some good points in favour some not, but for the moment our India does not have any sexual freedom. Couples still have to look for that isolated place! As for girls, they should just be prudent while it is dangerous out there. Most girls cant single handedly take on 3-4 guys so should stay out of isolated places. They should not tolerate eve teasing etc and should raise the issue immediately.

We need good policing too. Police usually catches some genuine couples rather than some criminals who have connections with politicians.
Agree with most of your points. However, a large number of individuals in many countries grow up parentless. So good parenting is not so much applicable to these people. Some individuals don't receive any education good or bad. Given the scale of country its nearly impossible for any government to educate entire population anytime soon even if they want to. Largely I don't think there is anything hugely wrong with our society except some sections. But then rapes and other crimes happen all over the world. Guess no country has yet discovered how to not create criminals except draconian lawmakers in places like Singapore where they fine you for chewing gum or cane you for splashing some paint.

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

karandel_2008

karandel_2008

IF-Rockerz

karandel_2008

Joined: 09 December 2008

Posts: 5756

Posted: 09 September 2013 at 5:25pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lonely0planet

Agree with most of your points. However, a large number of individuals in many countries grow up parentless. So good parenting is not so much applicable to these people. Some individuals don't receive any education good or bad. Given the scale of country its nearly impossible for any government to educate entire population anytime soon even if they want to. Largely I don't think there is anything hugely wrong with our society except some sections. But then rapes and other crimes happen all over the world. Guess no country has yet discovered how to not create criminals except draconian lawmakers in places like Singapore where they fine you for chewing gum or cane you for splashing some paint.


Mostly we need good moral education and good personality development. One way to do that is good parenting. Otherwise there has to be other ways to become a good citizen.

About rapes and crimes, we can never eliminate them, but we can hope to make them a rarity. When it happens rarely then we can call it as anamoly, but if it starts to happen more and more then it looks like corrosion.
 

 

The following 1 member(s) liked the above post:

-Purva-

BirdieNumNum

Senior Member

BirdieNumNum

Joined: 07 October 2012

Posts: 967

Posted: 10 September 2013 at 10:25am | IP Logged

i don't think the incidence of rape has much to do with education/ lack of awareness. Whoever doesn't already know that it is criminal/ immoral, hasn't been born yet. Tongue Also if it was lack of education, you wouldn't have the incidence of rapes that exist in the developed countries of the west, from date rapes in great institutions of learning to workplace harassment in classy firms. 

Now in case folks did not know, the incidence of rape per capita is higher in a lot of countries than it is in india. Sheet of shame is in the link below, in case one needs a reference:


so why is there rape? I believe it has to do with any/ all of following- sexual entitlement, entertainment, punishment. These aspects don't correlate with education- they are human failings. Rich/ poor, educated/ uneducated, cultured/ uncouth- they all have propensity for evil (as they do for good). (A good question then can be what makes some people go off the deep end, all else equal... while others choose the right path?)

what can we do about it? How about strong policing/ deterrence for starters. And yeah, women need to be careful themselves- i know it's not a popular thing to say, but it's like defensive driving. Even if it's not your fault, it doesn't help you one bit if you get run over.Smile


Edited by BirdieNumNum - 10 September 2013 at 10:27am

The following 4 member(s) liked the above post:

punk666devashree_hmoomin4455enigmatic_zephy

karandel_2008

IF-Rockerz

karandel_2008

Joined: 09 December 2008

Posts: 5756

Posted: 10 September 2013 at 6:16pm | IP Logged
What do you think about this study that is saying that 1/4 men in Asia are rapists?

http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-1-in-4-asian-men-rape-they-think-sex-is-their-right-1097315.html

"A new UN study in selected Asia and Pacific countries shows that violence against women by men starts at much younger ages than previously thought, and the most common motivation of rapists is their belief that men have a right to have sex with women even without their consent.

...

Nearly half the men interviewed for the study reported using physical and/or sexual violence against a female partner - ranging from 26 percent to 80 percent. And a quarter of the men admitted that they have raped a woman or a girl."


Edited by karandel_2008 - 10 September 2013 at 6:17pm

Post Reply New Post

Go to top

Related Topics

  Topics Topic Starter Replies Views Last Post
Interesting read: Education system in India enigmatic_zephy 1 260 15 May 2013 at 6:15am
By Zairean
Bollywood celebrities and Education!!! be-happy-always 9 659 05 November 2012 at 5:52pm
By be-happy-always
Education gives girls a purpose to live!

2 3

-Dee- 20 883 17 October 2012 at 10:30am
By LeadNitrate
World Autism Awareness Day Today!

2

corvette 11 641 05 April 2008 at 4:34am
By Connie
Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week

2 3 4

Antlers 28 1582 07 September 2007 at 3:04pm
By mermaid_QT

Forum Quick Jump

Forum Category

Active Forums

Debate Mansion Topic Index

Limit search to this Forum only.

 

Disclaimer: All Logos and Pictures of various Channels, Shows, Artistes, Media Houses, Companies, Brands etc. belong to their respective owners, and are used to merely visually identify the Channels, Shows, Companies, Brands, etc. to the viewer. Incase of any issue please contact the webmaster.