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Posted: 13 September 2013 at 8:57pm | IP Logged
"Why don't people first control their daughters? I'd burn my daughter alive if she was having pre-marital sex,roaming around with her boyfriend at night"

 - Delhi gang rape case defense lawyer A.P. Singh on the victim.

I think this would be enough to prove that lack of education or dire economic status is not the problem. Patriarchy is.


Edited by Rehanism - 13 September 2013 at 9:04pm

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Posted: 13 September 2013 at 10:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

"Why don't people first control their daughters? I'd burn my daughter alive if she was having pre-marital sex,roaming around with her boyfriend at night"

 - Delhi gang rape case defense lawyer A.P. Singh on the victim.

I think this would be enough to prove that lack of education or dire economic status is not the problem. Patriarchy is.
wow, so this guy is basically saying that if you have pre-marital sex, then you deserve to get gang raped and killed? I think this is exactly how all the rapists think. This psycho should not be a lawyer, he should be in a mental institute.


Edited by punk666 - 13 September 2013 at 10:44pm
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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 10:20am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

think this would be enough to prove that lack of education or dire economic status is not the problem. Patriarchy is.


I understand you are incensed. Rightly so.

However it doesn't prove anything (from a debating perspective)

You took the statement of an ass to conclude that the problem is that of patriarchy.

In a logical format, your statement is akin to "If it is a patriarchal society, then people issue statements such as these" or "if people issue statements such as these, then it is a patriarchal society".

The truth value behind both such conclusions is false.

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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 11:28am | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.

Originally posted by Rehanism

think this would be enough to prove that lack of education or dire economic status is not the problem. Patriarchy is.


I understand you are incensed. Rightly so.

However it doesn't prove anything (from a debating perspective)

You took the statement of an ass to conclude that the problem is that of patriarchy.

In a logical format, your statement is akin to "If it is a patriarchal society, then people issue statements such as these" or "if people issue statements such as these, then it is a patriarchal society".

The truth value behind both such conclusions is false.

true. Every defense anywhere in the world will try to make the woman out as a s**t. It's like a hail mary they are throwing, doesn't prove what they think or even what societal attitudes are. They are just hoping the jury/ judge will be messed up enough to acquit on those crazy grounds which almost never is the case...

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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 11:29am | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.

Originally posted by shalini1323

So a 23 year old photojournalist got gang-raped in Mumbai today. What's going on with this country? Is it the lack of education/awareness - how a boy brought up at home, the morality (or lack of) that's cultivated since young? Is it the lack of fear - no fear of consequences or law? There is something severely disturbing in constant rape news every single day.  Horny men? Are these men or animals... is it an ego/empowerment issue... what do you think is the root cause behind all these alarming gang rape cases? 


Possibly these are the causes; possibly there are more. Unless we do a case by case study, it's hard to enumerate an exhaustive list of causes behind rapes.

And even if we manage to compile such a list, I am not sure if we could come up with viable solutions to each problematic cause.

Short of a "Minority Report" kind of a scenario, where offenders are apprehended based on foreknowledge of the crime, I doubt there is a cure-all for this crime (or any other crime for that matter). There are too many variables and too much free-will.

My best solution, which I already suggested in another thread, is mandatory "gene therapy" for all. Our technology is not there yet but the hope is one day we will be able to isolate the "bad" gene in us and fix it.



So what does one do till that technology gets developed?
When the best solution is unavailable should people refrain  from looking  for other alternatives?
While we may not be able to come up with an exhaustive list of causes we can surely come up with the causes that account for majority of such cases. Even if we do not have a cure -all for the crime it would be some  relief if the numbers could be brought down.
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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 11:38am | IP Logged
Originally posted by _Angie_

So what does one do till that technology gets developed?
When the best solution is unavailable should people refrain  from looking  for other alternatives?
While we may not be able to come up with an exhaustive list of causes we can surely come up with the causes that account for majority of such cases. Even if we do not have a cure -all for the crime it would be some  relief if the numbers could be brought down.


Oh, I am fine with whatever solutions (short term, long term) the rest of the posters proposed so far. And then there are existing laws for various sexual offenses (abuse, battery, assault and so on). It's just that I am wary of identifying the "root" causes and and in that process chasing the wrong problems.




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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 11:43am | IP Logged
Originally posted by maha2us

I am still trying to explore why rapes take place. Still there are relevant questions which are not answered.
why the photo journalist was sent to a mill abandoned since 1985 that too around 6 PM in the evening? That place has poor lighting. In that case how is photography possible?If her employer has sent her to such a place, why no media or Govt: agency is talking about this action by her employer in which she was sent to a risky place at odd hour? Clearly something more is there in this case which we all don't know.
Classic ! First it was 11.30 PM that was considered late in the Zee journalist's case then it was 8.30 Pm that was late in Nirbhaya's case and now 6.00 Pm is being considered as odd hour! Odd hour, risky place, poor  lighting...and so on are mere excuses...is that so difficult to understand? What about the recently reported cases where people barged into women's own houses to commit the crime? Arent you the same person who a few months ago was saying that a phD or a post graduate woman could easily find a job and need not complain on that account. What sort of jobs do you suggest where these women get employed and at what even hours would you recommend and with how many escorts?

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Posted: 14 September 2013 at 11:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Universe.

Originally posted by _Angie_

So what does one do till that technology gets developed?
When the best solution is unavailable should people refrain  from looking  for other alternatives?
While we may not be able to come up with an exhaustive list of causes we can surely come up with the causes that account for majority of such cases. Even if we do not have a cure -all for the crime it would be some  relief if the numbers could be brought down.


Oh, I am fine with whatever solutions (short term, long term) the rest of the posters proposed so far. And then there are existing laws for various sexual offenses (abuse, battery, assault and so on). It's just that I am wary of identifying the "root" causes and and in that process chasing the wrong problems.


I think the root cause would be dissatisfaction with one's miserable life that could manifest in different ways.

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