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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 9:35am | IP Logged
Hi shyamala,

What an awsome post. Didn't get the time to see Yday's episode but just managed To read your take on it and your splendid analysis. 

On your points 1,2,3 I agree completely. In fact I see it as something of a certainty that jalal and jodha should both behave in such a way. They certainly would, till they find the courage to face their own feelings. You see none has ever challenged them or changed them so effectively and in such a cataclysmic way. For jalal, he may have the advantage of a witty companion in the form of ruqaiya but not a companion he desires to such an extent who is so openly oblivious to his charms. Which to his mind is actually an impossibility. After all he is the shehenshah but more than that he is a man above who consider. Himself better than the rest. It goes beyond the Fact that he is the shehenshah. It is a yardstick he measures all makes against. He just happens to be the superior of them all.. Who then is this new maharani who is immune to it all?? How dare she?? On the surface of it, it's his ego playing. But if you look deep enough, you just see a childlike want and need to be as desired by jodha as he does her. It's as simple as that. Everything he does provokes her to acknowledge him in some way. You want to hate me - fine. But dare you be indifferent to me. That I will not allow. And my ego allows me only to be cruel to you to do so, then so be it! 

Jodha on the other hand seems to have her emotions completely helter skelter. She veers so quickly between anger and fear, so deeply between admiration and rejection that she resembles more like a horse with its head chopped of. She doesn't know what to do. For the first time in her life the proud princess is lost. Here is a person who affects her so deeply and yet she cannot fathom as to exactly what he makes her feel. She hates him, true. But the depth of her hatred stems rather from the fact that she doesnt understand, than any true malice. It's actually a delight to watch her inner struggle between a warrior princess and a dutiful wife. To incur his wrath would be foolish for her, to insult him would be against her duty as his wife, but to allow him the liberties he takes, would be against the pride of her being. That she cannot allow. What then must she do?? 

You caught me. I happen to be a Scarlett fan. Completely and totally bewitched by her. I donot think there was ever a role written with as much contradictory Emotions as Scarlett o hara. You are left confused as to whether you admire her or detest her. And although superficial, selfish and negative you find that you are captured by her much more than the somewhat s straightforward but the drab Melanie. 
Coming to the political angle of it all, I get your point but I stand by what I said. In that jalal gained much more by marrying jodha than he ever could have, had he conquered Amer by force. It might have been a very small place, otherwise obtuse in the shine of the mewar palace e, but had he taken it by force, he would have unified the rajput nations against him. Even now, the mansubedari that he placed on the head of bharmal was a very well thought out plan. India then was not just divided by the Royal clans but was divided by strong cultural and religious backgrounds. Winning against Hindus or mughals wasn't just winning, but it was proving your religious superiority. A mughal, which they would consider of a different mazhab was more dangerous than a Raja of the same mazhab. Being conquered by him would be a bigger offense and an affront than paying allegience to someone of the same cultural backgrounds. And akbar knew that very well. That's why he started this. Putting one king against the other was similar to the divide and rule employed by the British

What akbar has effectively done is made bharmal his servant. Even if bharmal doesn't agreewith what akbar says, he will have to follow him because his daughter jodha is matried to him. Although an out and out victory would have led to the same consequence, atleast he would've had the ability to show his true Feelings. Here he would have to as they say swallow this bitter pill and ifs left with no outlet, no chance to complain. Plus the other kings might feel a touch of sympathy towards bharmal, while now he attains the position of the most haTed Raja in the rajputani. Effectively,  akbar has alleniated him from everything familiar and everything friendly isolating him from all but himself. 

My battery is down so well cut of here. But will edit shortly. 

Shalmali.


Edited by shal1983 - 16 August 2013 at 12:38pm

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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 11:05am | IP Logged
aunty as brilliant  and summed up including every single scene as always. But I have a complain.I searched for your post last night and thought that you have taken a break from posting for your infected eye.So this time I am very late in replying. Any way I always admire your writing ability and this time no exception. 

Just one thing to say regarding Jodha's non realization about her husband's presence despite of the essence of itr, well that time she was decorating her god with flowers, and may be there was agarbattis too, an important ingredient for worshiping of god, so the essence of lit agarbattis and flowers might have taken a toll over the scent of itr. My assumption. I may be wrong.Smile. Anyway keep posting aunty as its always a treat to read your post, 

But along with posting must take proper care of your eye too.Smile

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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 12:49pm | IP Logged
My dear Priya,

When you can  make such delightful collages, you do not need any words! Thank you so much, my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by yoga23priya

Hello Aunty Hug

Hope you are doing fine...Embarrassed

Thank you very much for sending PM.Embarrassed




I don't know what to write, when you had already written everything. Star

I do agree with your every words and it's a treat to read ur analysis.



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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 12:56pm | IP Logged
No, Pallavi, you are not late at all, for I posted this only  this afternoon, as I could not write it in the morning. I know that it is a bit late for an episode of the previous evening, but I could not help it. I had PMed you just after I posted it, and you must have recd. the message. It would be best for  you to go by the PM (or the absence thereof) and that way  you will never have to hunt for my posts!

I am truly flattered by the fact that you actually hunt for  them!

Yes, the agarbatti scent is usually  very strong and your explanation would fit quite well. But Motibai should have done  a better job of alerting Jodha in some way, would  you not say? She jsut scoots after one look at the Shahenshah's face and leaves Jodha to cope as best she can!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by PallaviDas003

aunty as brilliant  and summed up including every single scene as always. But I have a complain.I searched for your post last night and thought that you have taken a break from posting for your infected eye.So this time I am very late in replying. Any way I always admire your writing ability and this time no exception. 

Just one thing to say regarding Jodha's non realization about her husband's presence despite of the essence of itr, well that time she was decorating her god with flowers, and may be there was agarbattis too, an important ingredient for worshiping of god, so the essence of lit agarbattis and flowers might have taken a toll over the scent of itr. My assumption. I may be wrong.Smile. Anyway keep posting aunty as its always a treat to read your post, 

But along with posting must take proper care of your eye too.Smile

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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 2:55pm | IP Logged
Thanks a lot, my dear!

You see, Ela,  you are looking at the situation the way one would with a regular marriage, where  one does not discuss one's wife/husband with anyone else.

But this marriage does not fit into that framework. For one thing, both Jalal and Jodha resent each other deeply, and feel no loyalty to each other. Thus Jodha discusses Jalal all the time with Motibai, and complains about him non stop. Then why can Jalal not discuss Jodha with Ruqaiya? If one gives Jodha a pass on venting her anger against her husband to a maid-cum-confidante, so can Jalal discuss his begum Jodha, and plot her undoing, with another begum-cum- very old friend.

As for treating all his begums equally, that is a nonstarter. In Islam, a man  is permitted to marry up to four wives on the express condition that he treats all four wives equally. It is  honoured mostly in the breach. So how would Jalal be any different?

Shyamala

Originally posted by elasingh

Syamala I know you have written in ur post that Jalal has no other friend than Rukaiya and that is why he discusses Jodha with her but I dont like this...I find it crude and cheap...as I have stated in another of ur thread too...

I also feel that he should not team up with Ruku against...Jodha...Somehow  it shakes the very foundation of their marriage...

For him all his begums should be equal...

Superb post once again.

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Posted: 16 August 2013 at 10:12pm | IP Logged
Dear Shalmali

It is a pleasure to read your take on things, and this one is no exception. My sore eye is acting up again, so I will keep this short, but this deserves a lengthier response.

I agree  with you  in toto about Jodha, with one minor reservation. You have said: Here is a person who affects her so deeply and yet she cannot fathom as to exactly what he makes her feel. She hates him, true. But the depth of her hatred stems rather from the fact that she doesnt understand, than any true malice.

I would modify the last, underlined part to read from the fact that this hatred has now become  a  habit, almost an axiom, that she will  not either analyse or question.

As you will see if you read my latest on Episode 44, of last night, I have noted that

"Jodha is still in the same Shahenshah bahut bure hain... zaroor mujhe peedha pahunchane ke liye kuch karenge groove, like an LP stuck in one place. So much so that  even  when she sees that the banjaras,  whose cause she was advocating so vigorously that morning,  have not not only been freed but have been invited to perform at the jashan, she does not think even for an instant that it was well done of Jalal. Instead she is off at once looking around for clues to what he might be planning next against her."

I too love Scarlett,  and  always preferred her by far to the (literally and  figuratively) anaemic Melanie. Just as  I loved Rhett, and here I would any day opt for a Jalal, however difficult he might be, than a placid, dull as ditchwater Suryabhan.

I agree with your last para too. But devious as it was, it was also good for the Rajputs in the long run. They were otherwise endemically disunited and frittered their strengths away in internecine warfare, self-destructive bravery, and occasionally in base treachery, as with Jaichand.

Also, there was always a difference between the divide-and-rule of the wiser of the Mughal emperors and that of the British, despite the superficial similarities. The Mughals were here  to stay. The British were not, they were only interested in exporting  the wealth of India to their homeland, blatantly as with Clive and some others, and more subtly as with all the post -Wellesley rulers.They  deliberately crippled Indian industry and handicrafts to benefit their own wares, like the mill cloth of Lancashire. The Mughals became Indian. The British never did.

Thanks again for a very interesting discussion.

Shyamala


 
Originally posted by shal1983

Hi shyamala,

What an awsome post. Didn't get the time to see Yday's episode but just managed To read your take on it and your splendid analysis. 

On your points 1,2,3 I agree completely. In fact I see it as something of a certainty that jalal and jodha should both behave in such a way. They certainly would, till they find the courage to face their own feelings. You see none has ever challenged them or changed them so effectively and in such a cataclysmic way. For jalal, he may have the advantage of a witty companion in the form of ruqaiya but not a companion he desires to such an extent who is so openly oblivious to his charms. Which to his mind is actually an impossibility. After all he is the shehenshah but more than that he is a man above who consider. Himself better than the rest. It goes beyond the Fact that he is the shehenshah. It is a yardstick he measures all makes against. He just happens to be the superior of them all.. Who then is this new maharani who is immune to it all?? How dare she?? On the surface of it, it's his ego playing. But if you look deep enough, you just see a childlike want and need to be as desired by jodha as he does her. It's as simple as that. Everything he does provokes her to acknowledge him in some way. You want to hate me - fine. But dare you be indifferent to me. That I will not allow. And my ego allows me only to be cruel to you to do so, then so be it! 

Jodha on the other hand seems to have her emotions completely helter skelter. She veers so quickly between anger and fear, so deeply between admiration and rejection that she resembles more like a horse with its head chopped of. She doesn't know what to do. For the first time in her life the proud princess is lost. Here is a person who affects her so deeply and yet she cannot fathom as to exactly what he makes her feel. She hates him, true. But the depth of her hatred stems rather from the fact that she doesnt understand, than any true malice. It's actually a delight to watch her inner struggle between a warrior princess and a dutiful wife. To incur his wrath would be foolish for her, to insult him would be against her duty as his wife, but to allow him the liberties he takes, would be against the pride of her being. That she cannot allow. What then must she do?? 

You caught me. I happen to be a Scarlett fan. Completely and totally bewitched by her. I donot think there was ever a role written with as much contradictory Emotions as Scarlett o hara. You are left confused as to whether you admire her or detest her. And although superficial, selfish and negative you find that you are captured by her much more than the somewhat s straightforward but the drab Melanie. 
Coming to the political angle of it all, I get your point but I stand by what I said. In that jalal gained much more by marrying jodha than he ever could have, had he conquered Amer by force. It might have been a very small place, otherwise obtuse in the shine of the mewar palace e, but had he taken it by force, he would have unified the rajput nations against him. Even now, the mansubedari that he placed on the head of bharmal was a very well thought out plan. India then was not just divided by the Royal clans but was divided by strong cultural and religious backgrounds. Winning against Hindus or mughals wasn't just winning, but it was proving your religious superiority. A mughal, which they would consider of a different mazhab was more dangerous than a Raja of the same mazhab. Being conquered by him would be a bigger offense and an affront than paying allegience to someone of the same cultural backgrounds. And akbar knew that very well. That's why he started this. Putting one king against the other was similar to the divide and rule employed by the British

What akbar has effectively done is made bharmal his servant. Even if bharmal doesn't agreewith what akbar says, he will have to follow him because his daughter jodha is matried to him. Although an out and out victory would have led to the same consequence, atleast he would've had the ability to show his true Feelings. Here he would have to as they say swallow this bitter pill and ifs left with no outlet, no chance to complain. Plus the other kings might feel a touch of sympathy towards bharmal, while now he attains the position of the most haTed Raja in the rajputani. Effectively,  akbar has alleniated him from everything familiar and everything friendly isolating him from all but himself. 

My battery is down so well cut of here. But will edit shortly. 

Shalmali.

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Dear Shyamala Aunty,
 
it was so wonderful to get your pm.. I have been following all of your JA post and I just love the way you describe and analyse the episode!!!!!!!
 
I always look forward to your posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 

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