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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 2:43am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hooked

Originally posted by yanks28

for some people it's very hard to accept gifts.
..my mom is unable to accept gifts...even if she takes gifts from someone she immediately starts planning what to give that person in return. when ganga has nothing to give in return, she is better off not taking anymore.money will come and go...

You are exactly defining my mom here too Clap. Being a daughter too - it is so hard for me to give her something even on her birthday coz I can see how uneasy it makes her. She is happiest giving. She just doesn't accept things easily. And its not coz of the daughter or son thingy, my brothers have an equally hard time with her Wink.

Ganga doesn't take anything she can do without. Here too, she feels she is already indebted and even if she plans to pay off her course fees to Jagya from her salary later on - we have seen, she will always feel indebted for the help they provided and the emotional support and love and acceptance and understanding when she was a nobody with zero possibilities.

Ganga types don't come along very often - she is a very rare and precious person with a very noble soul and very high personal standards. 

For all those who have berated her so long for "loving" Jagya - did they notice how easy she was yesterday with his engagement news ? She truely does not see him as someone she can aspire for. She did have a hard time of it on his b'day when Saanchi came into her room and taunted her and the news was so sudden. But she worked on herself and told herself this was ridiculous and she won't let herself feel bad for something good happening with Jagya's life.


bravo hooked...
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@blue bold... aise imp things... kissi ko nahi dikhta... Ouch but u be sure... that if she had accepted the money there wud have been dozens of posts on that... LOL
*facepalming*


thank you cvs for not showing inconsistency in ganga's character...  Embarrassed

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 2:53am | IP Logged
Originally posted by KiranlovSriti

Ganga is a needy persone not laalchi person. What Jagya is doing for her is "help" to make her selfdepenent, he is not giving her mony directly. He is carefull about her selfrespect. May be Ganga earn little mony from hospital. DS chosed a wrong situation to gift her that mony. Plus Ganga is not in that condition to take a big amount as a gift from DS or from anyone.
 
But gifts don't hurt self-respect.  Gifts are given freely with open heart particularly from old lady.  But ganga immediately turned it down.  She didn't turn it down after she realized that it was a bribe.  She turned it down immediately even before knowing it was a bribe. How will it hurt her self-respect ?
 
I fully agree with yanks28 that often people feel a sense of strong obligation to repay and so will avoid any gift if they cant repay.

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hooked

 
For all those who have berated her so long for "loving" Jagya - did they notice how easy she was yesterday with his engagement news ? She truely does not see him as someone she can aspire for. She did have a hard time of it on his b'day when Saanchi came into her room and taunted her and the news was so sudden. But she worked on herself and told herself this was ridiculous and she won't let herself feel bad for something good happening with Jagya's life.
 
 
I think at this point after the rattan singh incident and sumitra's behaviour, she knows that even if she marries Jagya she will always be unwelcome in the house. 
 
Even if she aspires to marry him, Ganga is a gharelu type and wants to lead a family life in a joint family.  She would only marry Jagya if sumitra accepted her as daughter in law  unhesitatingly without reservations.  She is also sensible and realizes that not only she herself, but even Manu will not be accepted there.   She realizes that life with sumitra and co. would be a living hell.
 
The only option after marriage is then to separate and live a nuclear family of three. That would involve yet again tearing Jagya away from his family, and she has enough loyalty to not do that to the singhs particularly after learning about his past.
 
So all in all, I think even if she had aspirations, she had the foresight to think a few steps ahead and realize that it just could not be.  She made her peace with the situation.
 
But somehow, I have never found ganga's love to be either emotional or physical or material towards Jagya.   It has always been a sort of deep spiritual partnership she feels with him -- that he is the avatar of devi maa in her life.   I doubt marriage was on her mind at any given time.
 
 

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:03am | IP Logged
she wants only the ashirwaad...not money...yaar...

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:16am | IP Logged
Sectoreight me too agree wid Yunks thats why I said Ganga is not in that condition to take that big amount as a gift. And she returned it very respectfully, and said she only want ashirwaad. She has only love and respect to give so she can only take love and ashirwad in return. But as a viewer for me that mony was not gift coz DS went there for her own resion, not for her love towards Ganga Mannu.

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sectoreight

Originally posted by hooked

 
For all those who have berated her so long for "loving" Jagya - did they notice how easy she was yesterday with his engagement news ? She truely does not see him as someone she can aspire for. She did have a hard time of it on his b'day when Saanchi came into her room and taunted her and the news was so sudden. But she worked on herself and told herself this was ridiculous and she won't let herself feel bad for something good happening with Jagya's life.
 
 
I think at this point after the rattan singh incident and sumitra's behaviour, she knows that even if she marries Jagya she will always be unwelcome in the house. 
 
Even if she aspires to marry him, Ganga is a gharelu type and wants to lead a family life in a joint family.  She would only marry Jagya if sumitra accepted her as daughter in law  unhesitatingly without reservations.  She is also sensible and realizes that not only she herself, but even Manu will not be accepted there.   She realizes that life with sumitra and co. would be a living hell.
 
The only option after marriage is then to separate and live a nuclear family of three. That would involve yet again tearing Jagya away from his family, and she has enough loyalty to not do that to the singhs particularly after learning about his past.
 
So all in all, I think even if she had aspirations, she had the foresight to think a few steps ahead and realize that it just could not be.  She made her peace with the situation.
 
But somehow, I have never found ganga's love to be either emotional or physical or material towards Jagya.   It has always been a sort of deep spiritual partnership she feels with him -- that he is the avatar of devi maa in her life.   I doubt marriage was on her mind at any given time.
 

@Bold Red

I completely agree with the statement that she sees something very pure and almost divine in the support she has received and is continuing to receive via Jagya. 
I do not think she has EVER assumed Jagya will want to marry her etc. Hero worshipped - YES. Idolised him - YES, lusted for him - a big NO.

@blue
All this is simply conjecture as we have not been privy to her private emotions or her self analysis. 

The most we have seen is on the night of his B'day when his out-of-the-blue-rishta with Saanchi was proposed and accepted. That day - YES - she really struggled with herself to keep away her tears and she was trying hard to reason with herself and understand why instead of being happy for him - she was feeling so teary. And on that very day - she had told herself very sternly that this will not do. DoctorSa was her benefactor and nothing more and she had to pull herself together and behave.

In fact when Anandi accosted Ganga with this very fact  and her brealkdown in front of LalSingh when she brought in Jagya - Ganga was very clear about how her indebtedness to Jagya and his family is the root cause of her caring and feeling for him. She had never been shown to have even a second's moment of fantasy about being his wife or being accepted/rejected by his family.


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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:36am | IP Logged
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bravo hooked...
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@blue bold... aise imp things... kissi ko nahi dikhta... Ouch but u be sure...
that if she had accepted the money there wud have been dozens of posts on that... LOL
*facepalming*


thank you cvs for not showing inconsistency in ganga's character...  Embarrassed

ROFL I  SO hear you. She'd have been a cheapo and an ingrate and  without morals and an unfit parent and some thirty other adjectives in a similar vein.LOL

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Posted: 15 August 2013 at 3:57am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hooked

Originally posted by sectoreight

Originally posted by hooked

 
For all those who have berated her so long for "loving" Jagya - did they notice how easy she was yesterday with his engagement news ? She truely does not see him as someone she can aspire for. She did have a hard time of it on his b'day when Saanchi came into her room and taunted her and the news was so sudden. But she worked on herself and told herself this was ridiculous and she won't let herself feel bad for something good happening with Jagya's life.
 
 
I think at this point after the rattan singh incident and sumitra's behaviour, she knows that even if she marries Jagya she will always be unwelcome in the house. 
 
Even if she aspires to marry him, Ganga is a gharelu type and wants to lead a family life in a joint family.  She would only marry Jagya if sumitra accepted her as daughter in law  unhesitatingly without reservations.  She is also sensible and realizes that not only she herself, but even Manu will not be accepted there.   She realizes that life with sumitra and co. would be a living hell.
 
The only option after marriage is then to separate and live a nuclear family of three. That would involve yet again tearing Jagya away from his family, and she has enough loyalty to not do that to the singhs particularly after learning about his past.
 
So all in all, I think even if she had aspirations, she had the foresight to think a few steps ahead and realize that it just could not be.  She made her peace with the situation.
 
But somehow, I have never found ganga's love to be either emotional or physical or material towards Jagya.   It has always been a sort of deep spiritual partnership she feels with him -- that he is the avatar of devi maa in her life.   I doubt marriage was on her mind at any given time.
 

@Bold

I completely agree with the statement that she sees something very pure and almost divine in the support she has and is continuing to receive via Jagya. 
Do not think she has ever assumed Jagya will want to marry her etc. Hero worship YES. Idolised him - YES, lusted for him a big NO.

@blue
All this is simply conjecture as we have not been privy to her emotions or her self analysis. 

The most we have seen is on the night of his B'day when his out-of-the-blue-rishta with Saanchi was proposed and accepted. That day - YES - she really struggled with herself to keep away her tears and she was trying to reason with herself and understand why instead of being happy for him - she was feeling so teary. And on that very day - she had told herself very sternly that this will not do. DoctorSa was her benefactor and nothing more and she had to pull herself together and behave.
 
Well said, hooked Clap!
Even I have never seen Ganga's love as being the romantic sort where she would have dreams or aspirations of spending the rest of her life with him. Her mind has never gone down that track. Even now if Jagya were to propose to her, it might come as a shock and her reaction would be to refuse him. It is just plain hero worship for the person who has given her new life and hope for a better future.
 
As for the original topic, Ganga is basically a woman of very strong principles. She doesn't like to take or accept anything that she wouldn't be able to give back. It was so apparent when she first moved into Badi Haveli, she immediately took on the house work despite the Singhs' protests. In her mind it was a little something she was giving back to them for providing a shelter and a safe haven to her. She wanted to leave the Haveli much earlier because of this, but it was their insistence that made her stay back.
 
She is already so indebted to them for all that they have done that it might bother her that she has no way of paying them back. So in no way would she accept money from Ds, no matter so much of a gift it may be.

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