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Blast from the Past Thread #13, pg 119, epi 149 (Page 115)

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 6:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Horizon

 
Issp.. those places so much remind of the old world charm, a certain flavor.. lost now??
But, perhaps for those familiar with local dialect, his Punjabi accent may have become obvious. But for majority, his low key almost mumbling accent (was that deliberate for ASR?) certainly added extra dimension to ASR.. a reluctant speaker... that BS brought to life! Agree with you that can't see ASR saying "itta" as much as he came off guard. I am sure it is the "delhiite" in Indi who heard that..:)
 
Indi, That Aug 1st scene, one of those which brought of the flashes of brilliance very much back.. just like the "jaa rahi ho" of 8th Nov!
 
Loved the talk ladies!
 
 


hi horizon,

ja rahi ho.

even saying these words gets me sort of close to tears... and i don't get there easily. and then that terribly pertinent question, what if all of this were true, would you just walk out on me? a question worth pondering in general, and when someone asks it like that, worth swooning over and dying. Embarrassed
glad you enjoyed itta talk. possibly just a slip of tongue. Embarrassed but about the mumbling... why did i think of what they used to say of marlon brando doing godfather? yes, no idea if that was also a barun thing, but worked like jalebi for asr. the first few episodes when his voice was rather flat? oh i like. that "phenk do" with inert eyes,,,, me again passed out.

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Originally posted by indi52

episode 140


"phone karoon ya na karonn..." should i call or not...
felt like a whole confession of deep abiding forever sort of love to me...

i have never seen asr in this quandary. he does what he wants to... since when does he wonder and fret... that too about making a call? but she was crying, she hadn't completed her sentence... then she'd upped and left with a cryptic..."hume jaana hoga."

he ran after her, well he tried not to let it be obvious... glided smoothly (i was half dead at the sight of course, needing to rewind several times to catch the scene) into the living area following khushi... but asr doesn't chase after departing girls with incomplete sentences... yet this asr does. people talk about arnav and asr and the difference and as if he is his own doppelganger. and it's an either or situation... asr or arnav. i have always thought of him as one single person, a side of him choked by tragedy. leaving a hard, stony, surface to view, not too many chances to peak within. a fort as it were with reinforced ramparts and a very wide mote, drawbridge usually up.

the arrival of khushi, the connect with her, begins to bring down this fort... let us peer in. she released his withheld side... he grew back into all of him... in my way of thinking... he never really changed and became someone else...he was always this man. the potential was a given. the catalyst came along.

Indi agree, 
i adore asr with his good, bad, indifferent... he feels complete and real. there will always be inexplicable sides to him, and that gussa, that is his. but now, the tenderness trickles in when he least suspects and a need to listen carefully to someone, look for signs... he wants to give a damn... he wants to be the one she says everything to... only he still doesn't know why.

asr is beside himself with worry, when his girl friend makes a face at his indifference and complains all he can ask is " lavanya, khushi kahan hai?"


when she's taken aback and replies, she's left and she said as much, he is still not out of that sensation... "par woh bahut hi..." when an actor gets his character the way barun got asr, you come to these indescribably beautiful moments, impossible to put words to. he was at a loss for words himself, just knew she was not good and wanted to make sure she was ok... an overwhelming need in him... he even asked his sister in an unguarded way about khushi. then of course, at her curious gaze, had to pretend, it was because of all the pending work. anjali picked something in that tone of his... not so easy to fool this girl... alas, we all meet our waterloos, hers had to be the man she loved the most in the world. in anjali's story i always sensed a tragic vein. look at her life... a birth defect (possibly) that made her depend, complicated things, parents taken on her wedding night, all the fears of being alone, never looked at... then along came shyam... and she let her personalty become completely dependent on him. a fine, educated, sharp girl... yet the adversary sensed the weakness and moved right in.

in the process, anjali slowly allowed herself to become less and less, till nothing of her practically remained visible... without him i am nothing. what a position to have. this was perhaps anjali's fortress, this retiring from herself... letting someone else become everything. strange how humans cope. there was tragedy in her life... so when there was a clamour for her to meet someone, i was a bit what the... she needed to digest the horror first, didn't she... slowly away from any interference or manipulation find her way back again? ... badi sayani... needed to get to her mind again.

sorry to digress, but every time i see anjali minus shyam, she seems like another person altogether. some relationships actually suffocate and kill people. we may think marriage is symbiotic, two equals equally nourished by each other.

but what if it's between a parasite and a host? where the former saps the latter of all strength.

la's look again said so much... she is not being able to deny the facts anymore. her man has another woman on his mind... all the time. happens, and every time it does, hearts break... we are going steadily toward one. in this episode, adroit direction of a couple of moments says more than hours might have. that look in la's eyes... she wants him, she is upset with his indifference, then the thing she doesn't want to see is right before her eyes.

he knows la looks askance, but is too worried to really be able to mask it.

khushi had been crying.. "par woh bahut hi..."

khushi is in the heart of a storm. the man she was engaged to is anjali's husband. that in itself is enough reason to shatter and never trust a soul again. but here are deeper issues. and the entire episode builds these... sometimes the writing is too insistent, heavy handed... as though making sure the viewer gets the point... huge amounts of lines on how important the relationship is to anjali... nani ji, mama ji, mami ji, then anjali... in quick succession all bring it up. for god measure some blessing the couple and praying for their continued happiness is also called for.

we are shown how much he is loved by all.

then comes shyam's deadly road runner act. he will use every ploy he can... usually that involves sensing someone's weakness and cashing in on it big time... in this case, khushi's love for her family... "kin haalaat," under what circumstanes they got engaged... he even tries to win the gentle khushi's mind with stories of not getting love in that rich people's home... everything he can think of, he manages to convince her that he had actually wanted to tell her before their engagement... but finally, a little surpise. khushi walks off. enough.

the constant harping on the issue of anjali's dependence and shyam's evil, which together writers hope will convince us that khushi needed to conceal the truth... is frankly tiring.

when your proposition is weak, i guess you must convince much.

abhaas's acting, fairly un-nuanced really didn't help either... nor the overuse of the shyam creepy music.



one dialogue stood out though...
"yeh zaroori nahin khushi ji ki jo hume dikhe wohi sach ho..." not necessary what you see is in fact the truth. asr will see something which will seem to be one thing but be in fact quite another. and this inability to suss the truth beyond the visual will lead to extreme injustice at one level.

but could we equally say, had khushi not been swayed by anything and divulged the truth to him... we wouldn't have needed to come to the terrace that night?

was there a sense of krishna here again... was khushi somewhere responsible for that wedding in a temple? her action set it off. somewhere an acknowledgment that see it how you will, but hiding the truth was incorrect and led to the hell it did. if only, there is mention of that later, especially the night he goes to apologise to her.

a wrong notion, that strong people do not make mistakes and acknowledging they've made a big one will tarnish them somehow. we forgave asr his relationship with la... we didn't call him lech and creep because he was falling for khushi while still with another woman. why? because the character was real and honest... my belief. making khushi unreal was the biggest disservice to her. smacked of a male dominated, fuzz creating television world where we are fed a completely wrong notion of female power... again keeping us prisoners of "culture" completely without voice.

in this milieu... to have given us lavanya... please will the writer who got away with it, stand up and accept a long ovation from an old woman.

shyam was evil. he was inclined to unholiness.

khushi was not. yet... she hid evil... no matter for whatever good she may have deemed it was justified. was she right?

ah these questions... 

something i just didn't get the meaning of.

that shyam standing in the middle of the road, about to be run over... not moving. why? was he really lost and completely unfocussed... or was it his game to force khushi to acknowledge him...

did not understand the significance of the scene at all... maybe just his sick mind assessing how far khushi can be played... he needn't have worried, the real game had been played by writers already... i bet they knew most intelligent viewers would not agree with that holding back...



Indi, Yes Arnav and ASR are always the same, but in an attempt to soften the initial hard mask, some times the writers went too far away from their initial portrayal, I call it arnavification,  that sometimes he became unrecognizable like the one who would thank Khushi  bringing back Shyam, the one who would let  Khushi  handle the guy who snatched everything from his Di away, there are a few during the remarriage perhaps a directorial glitch (we heard they were directed by Aman when Arshad Khan was on Ramadan break) , that I preferred to see these two avatars separate. There was nothing wrong with the initial ASR except that he was being judgmental about this one girl and in his own inner  conflict he hurt her knowingly/ unknowingly.  In an attempt to make him too goody- goody, unfortunately IPK in later days some what lost its edge and resembled a typical clichd TV serial!

But this is the Arnav, that we all waited ASR to turn to, the one who wouldn't hesitate to show his concern for her (comparing to his inner turmoil after the Guest House incident) yet would n't make it obvious.. just perfect.. like you aptly pointed "with tenderness ticking in"!

Loved all that about Anjali. Her financially parasitic husband made her an emotional parasite!

Khushi and Guptas hiding the truth was horrendous becos it DIDN'T belong to them, but rightly to Raizadas! In an attempt to make her mahan, some basic principles were safely forgotten. Always wondered what justification Khushi/ Guptas would have had for not being equally culpable if Anjali indeed succumbed to one of Shyam's murder plots later on!

Thoroughly enjoyed the ride!


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@indi & IssPkaur for 141
I saloot you guys for interpreting ASR's state and viewer's mind so well. Great lucid way with words! So full of life, so overwhelming ! For the same reason, I found ASR's dialogue during their remarriage (at the Mandap) too structured for the character, but maybe that was the need for the specific moment. The character's complexity and simplicity feel like delicately intertwined in this soliloquy and also in the scene where he is practicing to say sorry.
Whenever I visit the thread, I click the last page. So glad I stumbled into it.


Talk about a lucid way with words! Nice turn of phrase there...above in red!! Clap


looking at that exchange above, and after a word popped into my head and i checked its meaning, think i am getting closer to a word aptly summing up barun's performance. chiaroscura... a study in contrasts, where each tone heightens the other, and the shading is subtle yet striking. dark/light, complex/simple, cold/simmering, ruthless/innocent... i could go on.

unless, the artist is skillful, the whole thing can become a mess...

between the artist and the internalised character, they made sure that never happened. not even when they took away the character and tried to turn him into a sweet tv damad.

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Episode-146

 

The sherni(tigress) turns to the laad Giovernor with a big grin on her face.

Payal is asking Akash what's the matter, why Arnav didn't do the engagement with La. Akash can't answer her as he is also doesn't know the reason. Loved their conversation, seemed like a perfect couple.

 

Arnav sees Khushi is acrimonious to him. She comes towards him to assail him. He asks her why she is behaving like this?

"Aap harbar humari nazro mein ye sabid kardite hai ki aap Arnav Sing Raizada hai"

"You always proves me that you are Arnav Sing Raizada. What did you do with La, you are smiling, but did you see her condition?"

Arnav says her that he must not make her judgment, as she doesn't know what happened?

Khushi retorts him immediately,

"If you are with someone, then it's not difficult to understand what's happened."

She points towards his imperative nature. Arnav grabs his hand and drags her to the poolside, his personal den, where he can speak to his Khushi from his heart.Big smile

 

Arnav says her that if she doesn't know about the situation, she is not supposed to say about it.

But Khushi is Khushi, the great intruder thinks she needs to know. Or moreover she is La's mentor, how can she see her student's heart break like this?

She needs to know what is the reason to break La's heart this time? Or does he think nobody will not ask him anything?

Again Khushi made her judgment without thinking. His family already prosecuted him big time, lady!

Arnav though says Khushi doesn't mean a thing, but he always ponders her queries. He is ready to make her understand. So he says with acquiescence to listen to him carefully.

 

Khushi starts her monologue.

"You said it right, you don't understand emotions. You only know the language of money and power. Now tell me what did you gain by breaking the alliance and by breaking Lavanyaji's heart?"

He looks at her with a veiled and thoughtful expression. Kash he could see, not money or power, I broke her heart as I carried away by my emotions, my feelings for you made me break her heart..Clap


Khushi resumes,

"Do you know how it feels when a girl's alliance breaks, a guy whom she wants to make a part of her life and her family. When his true face reveals, what it feels, he shatters your trust, how can you trust anybody then?"

She looks at him

"You will not understand, when a relationship breaks, how it hurts? And if trust and reliance breaks, how it feels?"

Arnav says grimly, "So you understand?"

Khushi retorts,

"Yes I understand, cause, my alliance is broken and my heart broke as well."

Arnav looks a little perplexed, but happy at the same time. A spark of smile glints his face. But I couldn't get Khushi's emotion. Khushi's trust is broken, but did her heart break?. She never wanted to marry Shyam and she is in love with Arnav. Then how her heart can break? It's true that they were beguiled. She supposed to be happy that her unwanted alliance has broken. It's definitely the writer's mistake. Kushi's heart broke because for the sake of her family she made a commitment.  She put trust in Shyam and he broke that trust so she feels bad.  I do believe what hurts the most is the break up itself whether you love the person or not it still pains when a break up occurs.  your heart is definitely involved.She also feels bad because of Anjali and the betrayal to her even though it wasn't her fault.  Yes she cares for Arnav but I don't think she is so sure of this feeling right now.  She is committed more to doing what is right than following her own feelings.

 

"Khushi" he says her name tenderly,

"When and how did it happen? Why didn't you tell me before?"

Intricate mix of emotions in his voice, concern, sorry and also happy at the same time.

Khushi doesn't want to talk. about it. She runs away from him.

 He is calling her "Khushi, Khushi."

He seems happy. Isn't he? Absolutely

 

Guptas are back in the house after the party. They carefully lay babuji on the bed. It must be a big day for him. Bua gets infuriated while talking about Shyam, how he was roaming around as if nothing happened.. She wished to swivel the neck of that rascal. Amma also can't believe his effrontery, no repentance in his eyes, nor hesitation in his moves. His wife also doesn't aware of his misdeed.( If his wife would knew, would they show him so much reverence!) Finally bua realizes her mistake, that how she compelled Khushi to get engaged with him,Angry

"Hath dho kar piche par gayi hum, achcha larka hai, sagai kar do.Matibhrast ho rahi thi hamri. Chodo uss girehuye ghatia admi ki bade mein bath nahi karoto achcha.

Translation: I was coercing so much, get her engaged with him. I lost my mind. Just leave it, its better not to talk about that shabby, wicked fellow. She comes to Payal and cares her that it's time to get happy for our Payalia. (Cum on feel sorry for titliya too.) Amma feels sad that Arnav's engagement couldn't happen. Payal also feels sad,
don't know why Arnavji broke the engagement?"

Bua says that for so long Khushi trained Lavanya to fit to the family and now the engagement broke. She also feels bad for La. She is glad that Khushi stayed back with her. At least she can talk to alleviate her grief.

 

Khushi is unpacking La's luggage. La comes and put the clothes back in the luggage. They do this back and forth for couple of times. They fight with the hanger. Finally Khushi has to let it go. They share a friendly smile. Khushi requests her no to go.

"kiske liye roku , for whom I should stay back?" La answers gloomily.

Khushi again asks her what's the matter. But La can't answer her.

 

In the hall anjali again is insisting Arnav to know what happened between him and La. But Arnav is obdurate, he can't answer. This has become an nonplus situation for him Anjali gets emotional that he is not giving her importance and ignoring her wish.

"itni asani se koi rishta tor dete hai kya.(how can anyone break a relationship so easily?)"

The camera focuses on the swindler. Perfect shot.

She tries to make her understand that last time they fought and he changed his mind.

But Arnav says this time the matter is not that. He and Lavanya, this alliance can't be happened.

Anjali is adamant, she needs to know the reason.

 Arnav retorts, he just can't.

"Just don't force me."

 He turns back.

(Gosh what a family! Too much!)They want an answer he can't give it or admit to it openly

 

Back in La's room Khushi is telling La why arnav got her in the house against everybody's wish? Why did he agree for engagement? Why is he now walking back before the engagement?"

La just sighs, she knows the answer. But she can't say it to her.

"unhone aapki saath galad kiya hai Lavanyaji, He did wrong with you, Lavanyaji."

La answers, "shayad, may be."

She just controls herself,

"I'm alright, but I have to go. You are crying like this, as if we will not meet you ever. I'll come on your wedding. I have to meet your Shyamji. I want to see with which idiot you are marrying?"

Khushi perturbs. She stands up and says her that she will not gonna come.

La gets incredulous,

"it means you are not gonna invite me on your wedding."

Khushi laughs, "It means, there will be no wedding. What do you say? same pinch."

La comes near her, confused.. Khushi shows her finger.

 "tumhare ring?"

La understands that her engagement also broke. She wants to know, how and when. Why didn't she tell her? Khushi retorts, as you told me!. You still are not telling me the reason. La looks down, how can she say?. But she is very sorry for her. T alleviate her mood Khushi says,

"So what if our alliance has broken. The world is not finished here. There is someone, somewhere has made for us. He will come on a horse back and take us with them. Now let's see whose prince charming comes first, your or mine? If I got my prince charming first, then you will sure come on my wedding. Won't you?"

Khushi is saying her merrily. But La looks upset. She recollects how Arnav was concerned for Khushi, said sorry to her and how he amusingly starring at her on the dance floor. She knows who is Khushi's prince charming.

La moves towards her and says that she won't be able to come. But she wants to tell her something before leaving. She holds both of  her hand .

"Thank you so much,

 Thank you to teach me the family values.

Thank you to teach me the way how to win people's heart by love."

Khushi says her that she already knew this. She just made her realize it.

La asks Khushi to do one more thing for her. She says ASR.

 Khushi jolts to hear this.

"you have to take care of ASR"

Khushi embroils to hear this. She extricates her hand from La's hand

La continues,

"You are the only one who can tell ASR everything what he doesn't want to listen"

Khushi looks at her ambiguously. La say that ASR himself doesn't know what does he want.

"But you, you are intelligent Khushi."

Khushi is still confused,

La says "today or tomorrow, you will understand it Khushi. If ASR understand or not."

La takes Khushi in a big warm hug.

 

In the hall, nani is inexorable, she needs the answer from Arnav..

"Why don't you want to marry Ms. Kashyap? You stood for this relationship, for this girl you fought with us. The girl who changed herself so much, did so much for us, just became a part of our family, you want to leave her like that?"

. All the family members agree her. This is not palatable to her.

"No chote, there should be a big reason behind this. tell me, I want to know."

Akash is also telling him not to break the relationship like that and rather to fix it. Anjali says again that La is preparing to leave and you are not retaining her, nor let us do that.

 Mama also shows his sadness. Anjali tells Shyam to make Arnav understand. Shyam assents that it's Arnav's life, if he thinks it's not right then they should agree. Shyam  will definitely agree, cause he also wants to get rid of his unwanted relationship with Anjali. But as she is his ATM machine, so he can't do it. All the family members agitate to hear his comment. Anjali tells him that he is the one who brought Lavanya. Shyam again says with prudence if Saale sahib thinks he can't be happy with Lavanya, then why to stay together? Arnav got some courage at Shyam supporting words. He is still incorrigible.he says
"Lavanya did so much for this family, so it's not right to deceive her. If I myself not sure of this relationship, then, how can I give her such big commitment? That's why I told her the truth."

Anjali and nani are still insisting to retain Lavanya. Nani can't let him ruin his life. She wants him to go right now to stop her.

 "uske koi zaroorat nahi hai, naniji"

La comes holding Laxmi in her hand.

(plz don't get me wrong, this scene made me laugh. La carrying Laxmi seemed OTT to me. I know the CVs wanted to show La as great as possible)

Arnav again looks at her ruefully. La says he and ASR decided it together. She begs to everybody not to put the blame on ASR only. La kisses Laxmi bye, what makes nani emotional. Anjali who once was confused of Arnav's relationship with La, now is coercing her to stay back.

"It's ok di, kuch rishtey meant to be nahi hote. There are some relationship which are not meant to be. No one is to blame. No one is at fault. But it just does not happen. What if I'm not married to this family. You are still my family, my own."

Suppressed emotions in her voice. Again the divulge of guilty feelings gnaws at his heart.. Nani gets enamored. La takes blessings of elders one by one. When she comes near Arnav she just gives him a sad smile, what make Arnav remorseful.  Excruciating pain in her eyes.

La again tells Anjali not to blame ASR. And she makes the most significant remark.

"ASR will marry. When he will think, he is ready."

Arnav and Khushi both jolt to hear this.

La gives her final hug to Anajli

credit goes to Zoha

Plz ignore typo and grammatical mistakes.

ClapClapClap great job Sohara my comments in red.

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 6:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by indi52

Originally posted by Horizon

 
Issp.. those places so much remind of the old world charm, a certain flavor.. lost now??
But, perhaps for those familiar with local dialect, his Punjabi accent may have become obvious. But for majority, his low key almost mumbling accent (was that deliberate for ASR?) certainly added extra dimension to ASR.. a reluctant speaker... that BS brought to life! Agree with you that can't see ASR saying "itta" as much as he came off guard. I am sure it is the "delhiite" in Indi who heard that..:)
 
Indi, That Aug 1st scene, one of those which brought of the flashes of brilliance very much back.. just like the "jaa rahi ho" of 8th Nov!
 
Loved the talk ladies!
 
 


hi horizon,

ja rahi ho.

even saying these words gets me sort of close to tears... and i don't get there easily. and then that terribly pertinent question, what if all of this were true, would you just walk out on me? a question worth pondering in general, and when someone asks it like that, worth swooning over and dying. Embarrassed
glad you enjoyed itta talk. possibly just a slip of tongue. Embarrassed but about the mumbling... why did i think of what they used to say of marlon brando doing godfather? yes, no idea if that was also a barun thing, but worked like jalebi for asr. the first few episodes when his voice was rather flat? oh i like. that "phenk do" with inert eyes,,,, me again passed out.


I would certainly buy that in red Indi. Yes, one those those factors when playing iconic characters! 
You might know this already, but  I read it only last Dec that Barun actually took "personality grooming classes" for 4/5 weeks to enact ASR! so some of it was certainly deliberate.  I did find his voice a bit flat in that first scene, but from his looks to the sharp dialogues to those eyes.. everything else about it made up for that! Yes that "phenk do" was some thing, super cold!

Forgot to mention, that "ja rahi ho" scene, a briallint flash just when we all thought the magic has gone into oblivion. It is also special, as that episode was the first time I saw your post on the main forum. I guess you were mostly hiding inside threads!:)


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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 6:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sohara

Originally posted by Horizon

Originally posted by Katelyn

Thanks Sohara!!  Happy 4th to you and all!!  Have a fun and a safe celebration!!
 
 

Thanks Kate. Wish you the same. My little one is all so much into flags. He holds American flags in both hands, waves them and sings Indian anthem.. LOL true globalization!!

Yes, waiting for the fire works to start... NEXT Monday!!!
 Thanks Kate.
 Horizon, it's awesome.
 Now holding American flag, i have to sing both India and Pakistan's national anthem.Cause my dad is from India and my mom is from Pakistan.

Wow.. thats great to know Sohara. 

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 8:16pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Horizon

Riddle No. 14Big smile
Why is a cold ASR better than a hot ASR?! Wink
 
Ok, here are my lame attempts!
 
1. Hot ASR preferred to be in denial where as cold ASR made some really "cool" confessions.. "biwi hai ye meri.. koi rokega mujhe"..
 
(For me ASR's cold phase was the brief period post their first marriage, March/ Apr) one of most fav scenes.. he always exercised that haq on her.. but this is the first time he openly proclaimed it and lifted her up in his arms.. ... worth a 1000 watches..I can very well slip into a rambling.!!!
 
2. Guttery: Cold ASR may seek some warmth.. one never knows which chamkili may get lucky!!!LOL
 
PS: Wiwy, your riddle fondly reminded of a crazy ASR clan I used to a part of "Blow HOT Blow Cold".. BHBC gang...Khushi finally figured out to switch one to the other and vice versa... unknowingly!!!

 

 




Hey HorizonStar
Thanks for answering! I posted a reply to you last night but it seems it has vanished into thin net!Ouch
Anyway, thanks to cold ASR, the hot one hasn't evaporated yet! Yes, the cold one did say some cool things after marriage with 'haq'! A pity he himself forgot to be the hotwa he was as a bachelor!Cry Would love to hear your ramblings on Mr Cool!
2. Cold ASR seeks warmth. LOL Yes, for sure there would be no dearth of chamkilis to keep him warm!! He he he!!
Hey BHBC gang sounds fun!Big smile
Waiting for your next  set of brilliant answers!!Heart

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Posted: 04 July 2013 at 8:25pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by indi52

episode 140




Indi, Yes Arnav and ASR are always the same, but in an attempt to soften the initial hard mask, some times the writers went too far away from their initial portrayal, I call it arnavification,  that sometimes he became unrecognizable like the one who would thank Khushi  bringing back Shyam, the one who would let  Khushi  handle the guy who snatched everything from his Di away, there are a few during the remarriage perhaps a directorial glitch (we heard they were directed by Aman when Arshad Khan was on Ramadan break) , that I preferred to see these two avatars separate. There was nothing wrong with the initial ASR except that he was being judgmental about this one girl and in his own inner  conflict he hurt her knowingly/ unknowingly.  In an attempt to make him too goody- goody, unfortunately IPK in later days some what lost its edge and resembled a typical clichd TV serial!

But this is the Arnav, that we all waited ASR to turn to, the one who wouldn't hesitate to show his concern for her (comparing to his inner turmoil after the Guest House incident) yet would n't make it obvious.. just perfect.. like you aptly pointed "with tenderness ticking in"!

Loved all that about Anjali. Her financially parasitic husband made her an emotional parasite!

Khushi and Guptas hiding the truth was horrendous becos it DIDN'T belong to them, but rightly to Raizadas! In an attempt to make her mahan, some basic principles were safely forgotten. Always wondered what justification Khushi/ Guptas would have had for not being equally culpable if Anjali indeed succumbed to one of Shyam's murder plots later on!

Thoroughly enjoyed the ride!



thanks for reading, horizon. i so agree about that in pink... unrecognisable... what were they thinking. i remember all the claims from writers that the knew their characters well and we weren't getting it.

really?

that shyam thing was chaotic. why would khushi do such a stupid, in fact dangerous, thing? why would asr even think of reassessing his initial anger? why would he apologise? and really, he'd let that guy hang around his sis? all it said ultimately was that women are woolly headed fools. and accepted, in life anything can happen... so one can justify and say, seen it all and this might happen, but here we have the intervention of a writer... a writer who has some responsibility to something? if not the audience at least to his or her story? you are right, what if shyam did succeed in killing anjali after khushi kept quiet? was highly possible, right? this unthinking writing... ufff.

i was shocked at what khushi did... that not telling anyone about shyam led to its own mayhem. and had anjali died... how right or "mahaan" would khushi have been? then she calls him back... a man who has tried to blow her husband up, molest her sexually, and finally left her to die trussed up on the road. this man, the "bahu" khushi with duty responsibility devotion to her "parivaar" decided to bring back... again without consulting anyone.

what was the writer smoking? or maybe the badgering of channel and ph had messed up all creative instinct and like automatons anything and everything was written.

barun somehow hung on to asr and kept him alive. khushi i felt just melted away and became someone i neither knew nor wanted to. sad.  especially, since ipk had all the signs of greatness, and will despite the flaws remain a classic. what an opportunity the channel/ph/creatives missed.

the further we move away, chances are these glitches will magnify in impact... distancing the audience...  and one of the greatest performances ever, anywhere, will perhaps just be remembered by some of us whose dhak dhak got permanently adjusted by it. 

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