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Krani

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 10:54am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ChocoBoyBarun..

This post in not about whether what is right or wrong
Its about how does a hijabi or someone who prefers herself covered become less modern?
Being modern= New and better perspective of life or exposing your skin?

People are mixing two definitions here. 

Being fashionable and being modern. 

Being fashionable is to wear what's in trend right now. 

Modern comes with the values, beliefs, actions, and what kind of a life you lead. Some people who wear fashionable clothing can also have some very unmodernised views, just like some people who wear traditional clothing. The same can be said for the opposite. 

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Edited by Krani - 13 June 2013 at 10:54am

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 11:09am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by ChocoBoyBarun..

This post in not about whether what is right or wrong
Its about how does a hijabi or someone who prefers herself covered become less modern?
Being modern= New and better perspective of life or exposing your skin?

People are mixing two definitions here. 

Being fashionable and being modern. 

Being fashionable is to wear what's in trend right now. 

Modern comes with the values, beliefs, actions, and what kind of a life you lead. Some people who wear fashionable clothing can also have some very unmodernised views, just like some people who wear traditional clothing. The same can be said for the opposite. 

~K

Yep, being modern is being mixed up with what one does but in reality it has to do with how one thinks...coming to terms with the fact that we live in a do diverse world and will come across different people, and letting them live without forcing down your own ideas.

@TM as far as fashion, I don't think it has anything to do with skin. I judge a modern lookbased on how put together, chic, and en vogue they look. If I see two women wearing a black blazer...and one's has shoulder pads, saggy one while the other is wearing a tailored, single breasted one...I would find the latter more modern. It's just a generalization that modern equals skin, and one that doesn't make sense at that. 

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 11:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

whats to judge ? exposing is wrong .

You are taking an absolutist stance with regard to a relativistic question. May be exposing one's body is wrong as per you, but it may not be so from others viewpoint. Further, how much exposing is wrong and who would decide it? Is exposing navel and midriff wrong? Or exposing cleavage wrong? Or exposing ankles, hands, neck, etc is wrong? Since you are speaking in context of India, I hope you are aware of many of the 'traditional' dresses expose all of the above, or even more!! And I also hope that you are aware that 'traditional' Indian art has documented female nudity in its full glory well before the advent of Islamic and Victorian moral polices! And one more thing - is exposing wrong only for women or are the same moral codes applicable to men as well? Because as I see almost all of the times, the paragons of morality and champions of Indian culture reserve their exclusive attention to women's supposed lack of morality and loss of values.


ok , fine , i might , just this once , try to understand ur/nudist point of view .LOL
go ahead ... educate me in what kinds of freedom do u enjoy when u expose ?
freedom for ...oh lemme guess ...cloth burn ??? or cloth tan ???/ or too much cloth restricting yer lungs ??? would ya die if ya cover up yer ass ??Wink

on a serious note - yes people have a right to do what pleases ! whilst being in sync with modesty . specially the way u outwardly present urself ! 
i think u have taken me in the wrong meaning ! maybe bcoz of my poor phrasing . if so i would rectify that now . 
i only think people should cover -
men - whats with the superman style? nobody wishes to see their calvin kleins 
women - i do not want them caged , as u make me sound , just conserve ur modesty . a normal dress length should vary from - not revealing cleavage and should be well below the buttocks 
BUS ! asking too much ??


There are two types of morality - one is universal and other one is personal. Things that directly harm others or violate others rights, life, property and liberty are violations of universal morality - eg rape, assault, murder, theft, fraud etc..We call them crimes and have got laws/penal codes to check them. Personal morality - or things that concern an individual's own body, life, career, tastes or preferences - on the other hand, varies from person to person and is unique to each individual. For instance, one might feel that eating non-veg is immoral, but how would you feel if that person issues a blanket statement "All those who consume non-veg are barbaric brutes. Period"? Personal ethics cannot be dictated through monolithic codes. What is acceptable to one person may be objectionable to other. That's why moral policing is an example of ignorance and bigotry and a violation of individual freedom and is in contrast with the idea of democracy.

Remember this simple statement - Their Body, Their Life, Their Choice.

Oh yes, bikini beaches DO exist in India at multiple places across the Western banks..And they don't experience any major rape epidemic compared to the much more conservative North India..

Edit: And also I read that you said something like "Constitution doesn't grant any freedom with regard to wearing clothes"...Were you f**king seriously serious?

that back there was a joke ! i just went with the context , which between urs and mine isnt applicable .
 Because a FACEPALMROFL   i'd like to see u try ! 
wouldn't be enough to express my reaction. Right to wear clothes, have sex in any position, have piercings/tattoos, eat, drink, party, dance, sing etc etc - are all inclusive in personal freedom - Right to Life, Personal Liberty, speech and expression..In 2009 Delhi High court affirmed the same with respect to homosexual relations and in 2010 once again the same court passed a similar statement with respect to live-in relations..I don't think BR Ambedkar had foreseen that geniuses like yourself would grace this land or else he would have certainly created an explicit fundamental right for each of these endeavors and all other personal behaviours that you might object to..


look , as i had mentioned b4 , i do not wish to cage anyone .  jsut follow a modest dress-code whilst in  public . they can display their asses and torso and blah with people they know and trust . 

ps - u sound cathartic , do u know that ?LOLLOLLOL


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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 11:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

One more thing that I would like to say about is the "seeking attention" part. Even if someone dresses up in a particular way to seek attention, I don't thing there's any harm in that...Even I buy expensive clothes, beef up muscles and leave two buttons open to seek attention - never thought I was committing  crime. Its but a normal and natural evolutionary instinct to seek attention/admiration of the opposite sex, or even same sex. Why is 'seeking attention' something obnoxious or something to be stopped by moral policing is something beyond me...Sexual attraction is a natural thing for both the sexes and only societies that see sex with disgust and contempt, something to be feared and avoided, try to enforce dress codes, sexually repress women and practice s**t shaming.

whats wrong with seeking attention ? how do u know u wont be getting the wrong kind ? 
why would u want attention , unless u are insecure urself ? are ya ?
@ bold ROFL are u male ??? u sound as cathartic as an offended 15  year old girl gone defensive ! 


walking around unclothed is like rolling naked in manure , sure u will get attention , but also for the wrong reasons 

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 11:52am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by ITrustMyHeart

Originally posted by ChhanChhan

normally a girl tends to wear exposed dress due to the latest movies and fashion shows which actually make that girl think... if they can do then y not me???? espicially if that girl has a perfect body shape!!! secondly her friends...!! they play a major role in this...influence by the friends can also make a girl wear all this kinda stuffs...!!!! nowadays people think (very bad mentality) that if a girl does not wear THE SO CALLED MODERN (exposed clothes) she is an OLDYY... OR A PAKKA 1960's ka women...!!!! which actually makes a person dull and have second thoughts about her attire...!!!

@Blue Bold- So does that mean movies and fashion shows inspire girls to wear modern clothes or exposed dress as you say. Doesn't a girl have her own sense of dress, the freedom to dress how she wants. Is it that  particular that you wear those clothes only when you see celebrities sporting them? So why not everyone follow whatever the movies show us. Hero kills thousand guys with a single hand, does it not give idea to boys of today's generation to do the same. if yes, then why don't I see any of them doing that...? You're making it sound as if girls should need some sort of consultancy before they wear modern clothes, they are stereotyped to wear salwar and clad saree all their life. 

@Bold Red-Man, you amaze me. So it's the friends who influence to wear modern clothes? LOL Couldn't girls have their choice? What's wrong if they prefer some revealing clothes over some traditional ones? They might want to wear something different or they feel comfortable in those outfits. You're making it sound as if wearing modern clothes is a crime? or it's against some culture. I wouldn't agree to it, until you show me any law or book that says so. 

@Bold Violet- When you can resort to people wearing modern clothes as "exposing", then why can't the same person call you "Oldyy" when you wear some traditional clothes? Clothing is one's choice, making it ones moral forte to call other people "bad", "vulgar" based on their clothing is barbaric. 

Having said that I want to hear, why is modern clothing considered to "exposing"? Who are we to comment on ones clothing..?




I think ChhanChhan and hit_homerun is the same person Tongue MID's much? LOL
i cant elaborate here , but for the time being , know that we are not the same person 
i have a definite id now - hit_homerun .
if u really wish to know , thers always  PM 

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 11:59am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ITrustMyHeart

Originally posted by ChhanChhan

normally a girl tends to wear exposed dress due to the latest movies and fashion shows which actually make that girl think... if they can do then y not me???? espicially if that girl has a perfect body shape!!! secondly her friends...!! they play a major role in this...influence by the friends can also make a girl wear all this kinda stuffs...!!!! nowadays people think (very bad mentality) that if a girl does not wear THE SO CALLED MODERN (exposed clothes) she is an OLDYY... OR A PAKKA 1960's ka women...!!!! which actually makes a person dull and have second thoughts about her attire...!!!

@Blue Bold- So does that mean movies and fashion shows inspire girls to wear modern clothes or exposed dress as you say. Doesn't a girl have her own sense of dress, the freedom to dress how she wants. Is it that  particular that you wear those clothes only when you see celebrities sporting them? So why not everyone follow whatever the movies show us. Hero kills thousand guys with a single hand, does it not give idea to boys of today's generation to do the same. if yes, then why don't I see any of them doing that...? You're making it sound as if girls should need some sort of consultancy before they wear modern clothes, they are stereotyped to wear salwar and clad saree all their life. 


yes movies do influence people in a certain , formidable way . dont we deem the attire of a heroine as the ''latest fashion'' ? and dont we have a b-wood forum ? u know how crazy people can get when it comes to stars . so they obvio will have a direct impact on the way one presents oneself . 
@ bold - that honestly doesnt mke any sense . 

@Bold Red-Man, you amaze me. So it's the friends who influence to wear modern clothes? LOL Couldn't girls have their choice? What's wrong if they prefer some revealing clothes over some traditional ones? They might want to wear something different or they feel comfortable in those outfits. You're making it sound as if wearing modern clothes is a crime? or it's against some culture. I wouldn't agree to it, until you show me any law or book that says so. 


never heard anything about peer - pressure ? 
yes friends do influence people , @ times not even knowing that they are !
@Bold Violet- When you can resort to people wearing modern clothes as "exposing", then why can't the same person call you "Oldyy" when you wear some traditional clothes? Clothing is one's choice, making it ones moral forte to call other people "bad", "vulgar" based on their clothing is barbaric. 

Having said that I want to hear, why is modern clothing considered to "exposing"? Who are we to comment on ones clothing..?
speculating philanthropists !TongueLOLLOL


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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 7:14pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by ITrustMyHeart

Originally posted by ChhanChhan

normally a girl tends to wear exposed dress due to the latest movies and fashion shows which actually make that girl think... if they can do then y not me???? espicially if that girl has a perfect body shape!!! secondly her friends...!! they play a major role in this...influence by the friends can also make a girl wear all this kinda stuffs...!!!! nowadays people think (very bad mentality) that if a girl does not wear THE SO CALLED MODERN (exposed clothes) she is an OLDYY... OR A PAKKA 1960's ka women...!!!! which actually makes a person dull and have second thoughts about her attire...!!!

@Blue Bold- So does that mean movies and fashion shows inspire girls to wear modern clothes or exposed dress as you say. Doesn't a girl have her own sense of dress, the freedom to dress how she wants. Is it that  particular that you wear those clothes only when you see celebrities sporting them? So why not everyone follow whatever the movies show us. Hero kills thousand guys with a single hand, does it not give idea to boys of today's generation to do the same. if yes, then why don't I see any of them doing that...? You're making it sound as if girls should need some sort of consultancy before they wear modern clothes, they are stereotyped to wear salwar and clad saree all their life. 

@Bold Red-Man, you amaze me. So it's the friends who influence to wear modern clothes? LOL Couldn't girls have their choice? What's wrong if they prefer some revealing clothes over some traditional ones? They might want to wear something different or they feel comfortable in those outfits. You're making it sound as if wearing modern clothes is a crime? or it's against some culture. I wouldn't agree to it, until you show me any law or book that says so. 

@Bold Violet- When you can resort to people wearing modern clothes as "exposing", then why can't the same person call you "Oldyy" when you wear some traditional clothes? Clothing is one's choice, making it ones moral forte to call other people "bad", "vulgar" based on their clothing is barbaric. 

Having said that I want to hear, why is modern clothing considered to "exposing"? Who are we to comment on ones clothing..?




I think ChhanChhan and hit_homerun is the same person Tongue MID's much? LOL
i cant elaborate here , but for the time being , know that we are not the same person 
i have a definite id now - hit_homerun .
if u really wish to know , thers always  PM 

Umm your other post with the Indian inferiority complex, you say that you are the TM (ChhanChhan)

~K

Krani

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Posted: 13 June 2013 at 7:16pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Rehanism

One more thing that I would like to say about is the "seeking attention" part. Even if someone dresses up in a particular way to seek attention, I don't thing there's any harm in that...Even I buy expensive clothes, beef up muscles and leave two buttons open to seek attention - never thought I was committing  crime. Its but a normal and natural evolutionary instinct to seek attention/admiration of the opposite sex, or even same sex. Why is 'seeking attention' something obnoxious or something to be stopped by moral policing is something beyond me...Sexual attraction is a natural thing for both the sexes and only societies that see sex with disgust and contempt, something to be feared and avoided, try to enforce dress codes, sexually repress women and practice s**t shaming.

whats wrong with seeking attention ? how do u know u wont be getting the wrong kind ? 
why would u want attention , unless u are insecure urself ? are ya ?
@ bold ROFL are u male ??? u sound as cathartic as an offended 15  year old girl gone defensive ! 


walking around unclothed is like rolling naked in manure , sure u will get attention , but also for the wrong reasons 

So you mean to say that people who cover from head to toe do not get the wrong kind of attention at all?




Edited by Krani - 13 June 2013 at 7:18pm

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