Originally posted by Rehanism
whats to judge ? exposing is wrong .
You are taking an absolutist stance with regard to a relativistic question. May be exposing one's body is wrong as per you, but it may not be so from others viewpoint. Further, how much exposing is wrong and who would decide it? Is exposing navel and midriff wrong? Or exposing cleavage wrong? Or exposing ankles, hands, neck, etc is wrong? Since you are speaking in context of India, I hope you are aware of many of the 'traditional' dresses expose all of the above, or even more!! And I also hope that you are aware that 'traditional' Indian art has documented female nudity in its full glory well before the advent of Islamic and Victorian moral polices! And one more thing - is exposing wrong only for women or are the same moral codes applicable to men as well? Because as I see almost all of the times, the paragons of morality and champions of Indian culture reserve their exclusive attention to women's supposed lack of morality and loss of values.
ok , fine , i might , just this once , try to understand ur/nudist point of view .
go ahead ... educate me in what kinds of freedom do u enjoy when u expose ?
freedom for ...oh lemme guess ...cloth burn ??? or cloth tan ???/ or too much cloth restricting yer lungs ??? would ya die if ya cover up yer ass ??
on a serious note - yes people have a right to do what pleases ! whilst being in sync with modesty . specially the way u outwardly present urself !
i think u have taken me in the wrong meaning ! maybe bcoz of my poor phrasing . if so i would rectify that now .
i only think people should cover -
men - whats with the superman style? nobody wishes to see their calvin kleins
women - i do not want them caged , as u make me sound , just conserve ur modesty . a normal dress length should vary from - not revealing cleavage and should be well below the buttocks
BUS ! asking too much ??
There are two types of morality - one is universal and other one is personal. Things that directly harm others or violate others rights, life, property and liberty are violations of universal morality - eg rape, assault, murder, theft, fraud etc..We call them crimes and have got laws/penal codes to check them. Personal morality - or things that concern an individual's own body, life, career, tastes or preferences - on the other hand, varies from person to person and is unique to each individual. For instance, one might feel that eating non-veg is immoral, but how would you feel if that person issues a blanket statement "All those who consume non-veg are barbaric brutes. Period"? Personal ethics cannot be dictated through monolithic codes. What is acceptable to one person may be objectionable to other. That's why moral policing is an example of ignorance and bigotry and a violation of individual freedom and is in contrast with the idea of democracy.
Remember this simple statement - Their Body, Their Life, Their Choice.
Oh yes, bikini beaches DO exist in India at multiple places across the Western banks..And they don't experience any major rape epidemic compared to the much more conservative North India..
Edit: And also I read that you said something like "Constitution doesn't grant any freedom with regard to wearing clothes"...Were you f**king seriously serious?
that back there was a joke ! i just went with the context , which between urs and mine isnt applicable .
Because a FACEPALM i'd like to see u try !
wouldn't be enough to express my reaction. Right to wear clothes, have sex in any position, have piercings/tattoos, eat, drink, party, dance, sing etc etc - are all inclusive in personal freedom - Right to Life, Personal Liberty, speech and expression..In 2009 Delhi High court affirmed the same with respect to homosexual relations and in 2010 once again the same court passed a similar statement with respect to live-in relations..I don't think BR Ambedkar had foreseen that geniuses like yourself would grace this land or else he would have certainly created an explicit fundamental right for each of these endeavors and all other personal behaviours that you might object to..
look , as i had mentioned b4 , i do not wish to cage anyone . jsut follow a modest dress-code whilst in public . they can display their asses and torso and blah with people they know and trust .
ps - u sound cathartic , do u know that ?