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hit_homerun

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Posted: 11 June 2013 at 12:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

[QUOTE=King-Anu] 




In my personal opinion, you aren't any better than those people calling the people who cover up as those of "stone age" 

From your posts it's pretty evident you are highly judgmental of those who do not cover up, yet you expect people to be tolerant of those who do cover up. 

How about being tolerant overall?


hmmm , did i ever call them stoneaged ? did i resort to name calling ? highly judgemental ? im merely telling what the eyes show me !

and all im trying to figure out is how people find it liberating to expose !
if u can prove the sentiment behind nudity to me , then i will apply ashoka formula - tolerance 

till the time being i will call nudist nanga punga attention seekers 

By your "logic", they are merely name-calling because that's how they see it. 
The argument is not about how liberating it is - it's about a person having the choice to dress in whatever they want without them being name-called, or perceived as being less moral than those who cover from head to toe.

Funny how you say you do not resort to name-calling, yet you do that exact thing in the ending of your "argument"


oh , um , ok Embarrassed
so i guess i was name calling
i hinestly dint realize . coz i thought that was -1 level of describing a person 
baby i have lots more i can say

but i will refrain , from name callin
yeah ok 
but i still havent gotten any formidable reply - Why do  people wear exposing clothes ? no really do they not have enough money for themselves to but fully covering and stitched material ? LOL

in that case , im ready to daan donate my old clothes to them . i m sure u'd  want to join me Wink

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Posted: 11 June 2013 at 5:23pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

[QUOTE=King-Anu] 




In my personal opinion, you aren't any better than those people calling the people who cover up as those of "stone age" 

From your posts it's pretty evident you are highly judgmental of those who do not cover up, yet you expect people to be tolerant of those who do cover up. 

How about being tolerant overall?


hmmm , did i ever call them stoneaged ? did i resort to name calling ? highly judgemental ? im merely telling what the eyes show me !

and all im trying to figure out is how people find it liberating to expose !
if u can prove the sentiment behind nudity to me , then i will apply ashoka formula - tolerance 

till the time being i will call nudist nanga punga attention seekers 

By your "logic", they are merely name-calling because that's how they see it. 
The argument is not about how liberating it is - it's about a person having the choice to dress in whatever they want without them being name-called, or perceived as being less moral than those who cover from head to toe.

Funny how you say you do not resort to name-calling, yet you do that exact thing in the ending of your "argument"


oh , um , ok Embarrassed
so i guess i was name calling
i hinestly dint realize . coz i thought that was -1 level of describing a person 
baby i have lots more i can say

but i will refrain , from name callin
yeah ok 
but i still havent gotten any formidable reply - Why do  people wear exposing clothes ? no really do they not have enough money for themselves to but fully covering and stitched material ? LOL

in that case , im ready to daan donate my old clothes to them . i m sure u'd  want to join me Wink


Why do you wear the clothes you do?
What if you went out and somebody called you names and made you feel shit about yourself based on what you wore?

Why does being fully covered make someone look morally better, compared to someone wearing a dress? 

~K

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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 5:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

[QUOTE=hit_homerun][QUOTE=Krani][QUOTE=hit_homerun][QUOTE=King-Anu] 






oh , um , ok Embarrassed
so i guess i was name calling
i hinestly dint realize . coz i thought that was -1 level of describing a person 
baby i have lots more i can say

but i will refrain , from name callin
yeah ok 
but i still havent gotten any formidable reply - Why do  people wear exposing clothes ? no really do they not have enough money for themselves to but fully covering and stitched material ? LOL

in that case , im ready to daan donate my old clothes to them . i m sure u'd  want to join me Wink


Why do you wear the clothes you do?\\


to cover me , as i've been taught to . to protect myself from less than honorable intentions , in could go on and on ... 
What if you went out and somebody called you names and made you feel shit about yourself based on what you wore?

i would before jumping to slit her/his throat consider the situation , and see if i m indeed , wrong !

Why does being fully covered make someone look morally better, compared to someone wearing a dress? 

there's a thin line between looking vulgar and not .
no i do not mean that anyone who wears a dress becomes immoral , i just wish they would cover the vital parts . 
i've witnessed deep necks that defeat the purpose of a top . i've seen pants that give a new purpose to underwears  ! 


ur first question cant even be applicable to others , why do u wear the clothes that u do wear ? since they dont wear anything LOLLOLLOL

~K

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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 6:21am | IP Logged
whats to judge ? exposing is wrong .

You are taking an absolutist stance with regard to a relativistic question. May be exposing one's body is wrong as per you, but it may not be so from others viewpoint. Further, how much exposing is wrong and who would decide it? Is exposing navel and midriff wrong? Or exposing cleavage wrong? Or exposing ankles, hands, neck, etc is wrong? Since you are speaking in context of India, I hope you are aware of many of the 'traditional' dresses expose all of the above, or even more!! And I also hope that you are aware that 'traditional' Indian art has documented female nudity in its full glory well before the advent of Islamic and Victorian moral polices! And one more thing - is exposing wrong only for women or are the same moral codes applicable to men as well? Because as I see almost all of the times, the paragons of morality and champions of Indian culture reserve their exclusive attention to women's supposed lack of morality and loss of values.

There are two types of morality - one is universal and other one is personal. Things that directly harm others or violate others rights, life, property and liberty are violations of universal morality - eg rape, assault, murder, theft, fraud etc..We call them crimes and have got laws/penal codes to check them. Personal morality - or things that concern an individual's own body, life, career, tastes or preferences - on the other hand, varies from person to person and is unique to each individual. For instance, one might feel that eating non-veg is immoral, but how would you feel if that person issues a blanket statement "All those who consume non-veg are barbaric brutes. Period"? Personal ethics cannot be dictated through monolithic codes. What is acceptable to one person may be objectionable to other. That's why moral policing is an example of ignorance and bigotry and a violation of individual freedom and is in contrast with the idea of democracy.

Remember this simple statement - Their Body, Their Life, Their Choice.

Oh yes, bikini beaches DO exist in India at multiple places across the Western banks..And they don't experience any major rape epidemic compared to the much more conservative North India..

Edit: And also I read that you said something like "Constitution doesn't grant any freedom with regard to wearing clothes"...Were you f**king seriously serious? Because a FACEPALM wouldn't be enough to express my reaction. Right to wear clothes, have sex in any position, have piercings/tattoos, eat, drink, party, dance, sing etc etc - are all inclusive in personal freedom - Right to Life, Personal Liberty, speech and expression..In 2009 Delhi High court affirmed the same with respect to homosexual relations and in 2010 once again the same court passed a similar statement with respect to live-in relations..I don't think BR Ambedkar had foreseen that geniuses like yourself would grace this land or else he would have certainly created an explicit fundamental right for each of these endeavors and all other personal behaviours that you might object to..


Edited by Rehanism - 12 June 2013 at 9:24am

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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 6:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

Originally posted by hit_homerun

Originally posted by Krani

[QUOTE=hit_homerun][QUOTE=Krani][QUOTE=hit_homerun][QUOTE=King-Anu] 






oh , um , ok Embarrassed
so i guess i was name calling
i hinestly dint realize . coz i thought that was -1 level of describing a person 
baby i have lots more i can say

but i will refrain , from name callin
yeah ok 
but i still havent gotten any formidable reply - Why do  people wear exposing clothes ? no really do they not have enough money for themselves to but fully covering and stitched material ? LOL

in that case , im ready to daan donate my old clothes to them . i m sure u'd  want to join me Wink


Why do you wear the clothes you do?\\


to cover me , as i've been taught to . to protect myself from less than honorable intentions , in could go on and on ... 
What if you went out and somebody called you names and made you feel shit about yourself based on what you wore?

i would before jumping to slit her/his throat consider the situation , and see if i m indeed , wrong !

Why does being fully covered make someone look morally better, compared to someone wearing a dress? 

there's a thin line between looking vulgar and not .
no i do not mean that anyone who wears a dress becomes immoral , i just wish they would cover the vital parts . 
i've witnessed deep necks that defeat the purpose of a top . i've seen pants that give a new purpose to underwears  ! 


ur first question cant even be applicable to others , why do u wear the clothes that u do wear ? since they dont wear anything LOLLOLLOL

~K

So you have been taught to cover up and wear certain clothes - fair enough. But you also wear these clothes because there is a certain comfort level in them, yes?

Now coming onto somebody wearing a dress or shorts, maybe that's what they are comfortable in. Maybe that's what they  like to wear, so why can't they?

Would you actually change your style of dressing if somebody starts calling you names based on the fact that you are covering up? Would you support their mindset and their views on clothing if they forced you to wear shorts, when you wanted to wear jeans? 

So from your posts you have insinuated that anybody wearing short clothes is..."nanga punga attention seekers" [or at least that's the drift I have gotten from several posts of yours]
Yet from your above post, it seems that you have only met a few people who have worn such clothes - it seems like your negativity seems to be more directed towards those group of people. 

Now tell me something, how does them wearing such clothes affect you in anyway? Are they coming to you and forcing you to touch them? Are they coming to you and forcing you to wear such clothes? 

Are they getting attention from the opposite/same sex?
If they do not care about the negative attention they are getting why are you so affected by the fact that apparently their "privates are on display"
Btw - I think I am going to take the "privates on display" as an exaggeration. I don't know where you live but pretty sure that's illegal everywhere LOL


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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 7:09am | IP Logged
One more thing that I would like to say about is the "seeking attention" part. Even if someone dresses up in a particular way to seek attention, I don't thing there's any harm in that...Even I buy expensive clothes, beef up muscles and leave two buttons open to seek attention - never thought I was committing  crime. Its but a normal and natural evolutionary instinct to seek attention/admiration of the opposite sex, or even same sex. Why is 'seeking attention' something obnoxious or something to be stopped by moral policing is something beyond me...Sexual attraction is a natural thing for both the sexes and only societies that see sex with disgust and contempt, something to be feared and avoided, try to enforce dress codes, sexually repress women and practice s**t shaming.

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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 11:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by hit_homerun

the other day , i was just going through a b-wood forum post , where spectators criticised an aged actress sporting minis .

 some defended her . from the defending party - abc stated that - a woman is free to wear what she wishes to ...
- covered ladies have the sentiments of people living in stone age 

xyz mentioned an adolescent should have all the fun she can manage , no holds barred . its her freedom .

so does a woman become modern and attractive if she shows the circumference of her naked thighs and hips ? 
does a teen enjoy her freedom when she observes bodily exposure ? [ funny how i should've associated freedom with voting or slavery ]



What is a modern woman?
Do you judge a person based on the clothes they wear?

Freedom of choice!

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Posted: 12 June 2013 at 11:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rehanism

One more thing that I would like to say about is the "seeking attention" part. Even if someone dresses up in a particular way to seek attention, I don't thing there's any harm in that...Even I buy expensive clothes, beef up muscles and leave two buttons open to seek attention - never thought I was committing  crime. Its but a normal and natural evolutionary instinct to seek attention/admiration of the opposite sex, or even same sex. Why is 'seeking attention' something obnoxious or something to be stopped by moral policing is something beyond me...Sexual attraction is a natural thing for both the sexes and only societies that see sex with disgust and contempt, something to be feared and avoided, try to enforce dress codes, sexually repress women and practice s**t shaming.


True to some extend, but there is a reason why certain people dress in certain way. It has a lot to do with culture, society, and religion. Would you go against everything to dress in a certain way to attract attention?


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