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Posted: 29 April 2013 at 1:17pm | IP Logged
Old Age is second childhood. It needs the nurturing and care that a baby gets. Ethically speaking, If you make a law it means you are forcing the kids to take care of their parents. It should come out of gratitude and love and not law. But practically speaking, since all the ethics are hibernating in Himalayas, you rather force people do their duties since they don't seem to do it out of freewill. But then, old people might suffer even worse physical and mental trauma staying with unwilling children.

So, basically a law should be made on the lines of Alimony. Obligation of the kids to provide for their parents basic physical needs,food,shelter and medical care, even if they are unwilling to keep them with them. And, always remain on their speed dail. As for love and affection, it is almost deprived in middle age, this generation won't have that problem in old age. Love, affection,care is a total luck factor. No banking on that.

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 2:27am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

I consider children as pets like dogs and cats etc. When you decide to get one you are obligated to take good care of them and ensure that you don't harm them in any way. But it is ridiculous to expect that they do the same for you. It all boils down if you are a good parent. If you train the dog well, it won't attack you and will be a loyal companion who would stake their life for you. If you train your children well, they won't do stupid shit and will be good kids who care for you their whole life.

Personally, I advocate dogs, cats or other creatures. In my experience they are a lot easier to work with and more rewarding. The human breed is very difficult to train and quite impossible really.

Human children being compared to dogs and cats? Why such disdain for the human species? LOL  A faulty reasoning if there was one Tongue It would be ridiculous to expect animals to do what humans do but not so to expect other humans to do as some humans do. Is teh human breed branded impossible because it will not do what you expect your pets to do?   Humans deserve a little more respect than that surely ---they are not pets after all LOL

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 3:05am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Chanchan.

Take care of their parents in their old age?


Parents are always expected to provide the best care and facilities to their children,and most of them do..!  But is that kindness and care reciprocated by children, once they grow older? And in cases where children choose not to care for their elderly parents, should they be legally obliged to do so? Should a law be enforced to ensure parents are taken care of by children after adulthood.

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commonly most of the parents effort is to fulfill their ambitions through the child...I feel,real parents will give freedom...They will not impose themselves upon the child,they will not make you as a pet or they will not treat you as dog...their effort will be to help the child to be himself or to be herself and  they can give directions ...they can give ideas..bt they not to impose their ideas. They are not to create slaves..when you love a person, you cannot condition him much... When you love a person, you give him freedom, you give him protection... When you love a person you would not like him to be just a carbon copy of yourself, you would like him to be a unique lovable individual... Smile

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 7:53am | IP Logged
Originally posted by zorrro

Originally posted by return_to_hades

I consider children as pets like dogs and cats etc. When you decide to get one you are obligated to take good care of them and ensure that you don't harm them in any way. But it is ridiculous to expect that they do the same for you. It all boils down if you are a good parent. If you train the dog well, it won't attack you and will be a loyal companion who would stake their life for you. If you train your children well, they won't do stupid shit and will be good kids who care for you their whole life.

Personally, I advocate dogs, cats or other creatures. In my experience they are a lot easier to work with and more rewarding. The human breed is very difficult to train and quite impossible really.

Human children being compared to dogs and cats? Why such disdain for the human species? LOL  A faulty reasoning if there was one Tongue It would be ridiculous to expect animals to do what humans do but not so to expect other humans to do as some humans do. Is teh human breed branded impossible because it will not do what you expect your pets to do?   Humans deserve a little more respect than that surely ---they are not pets after all LOL


Why is it disdainful towards humans? After all we are all animals really. Of course humans have civilization, technology etc but that just makes us different not superior. That humans are better than the rest of life on earth is just a presumption we have about ourselves.

 

It is not that far off to compare children to cats or dogs. Irrespective of civilization, we're all mammals. There are actually many similarities in how we learn and socialize. Civilization has actually eroded our mammalian tendencies of loyalty and pack commitment. The fact that we consider legal obligation to "care" for providers is an illustration for that. So do we really deserve more respect than other animals who don't think in terms of self interest when it comes to loyalty to the pack and providers?


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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 8:08am | IP Logged
Originally posted by zorrro

Originally posted by return_to_hades

I consider children as pets like dogs and cats etc. When you decide to get one you are obligated to take good care of them and ensure that you don't harm them in any way. But it is ridiculous to expect that they do the same for you. It all boils down if you are a good parent. If you train the dog well, it won't attack you and will be a loyal companion who would stake their life for you. If you train your children well, they won't do stupid shit and will be good kids who care for you their whole life.

Personally, I advocate dogs, cats or other creatures. In my experience they are a lot easier to work with and more rewarding. The human breed is very difficult to train and quite impossible really.

Human children being compared to dogs and cats? Why such disdain for the human species? LOL  A faulty reasoning if there was one Tongue It would be ridiculous to expect animals to do what humans do but not so to expect other humans to do as some humans do. Is teh human breed branded impossible because it will not do what you expect your pets to do?   Humans deserve a little more respect than that surely ---they are not pets after all LOL
 
 
The problem is that on one hand we humans talk fancy about animal rights and how all species are to be respected and equal and when all that is said and done we go and get ourselves a nice juicy hamburger with bacon strips lol.
 
The inclusion of pets and dogs and cats and hippopotomus is irrelevant as the question is about relationship between humans and their offspring. Still RTH is free to hold her view.

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 9:00am | IP Logged
Originally posted by return_to_hades

Originally posted by zorrro

Originally posted by return_to_hades

I consider children as pets like dogs and cats etc. When you decide to get one you are obligated to take good care of them and ensure that you don't harm them in any way. But it is ridiculous to expect that they do the same for you. It all boils down if you are a good parent. If you train the dog well, it won't attack you and will be a loyal companion who would stake their life for you. If you train your children well, they won't do stupid shit and will be good kids who care for you their whole life.

Personally, I advocate dogs, cats or other creatures. In my experience they are a lot easier to work with and more rewarding. The human breed is very difficult to train and quite impossible really.

Human children being compared to dogs and cats? Why such disdain for the human species? LOL  A faulty reasoning if there was one Tongue It would be ridiculous to expect animals to do what humans do but not so to expect other humans to do as some humans do. Is teh human breed branded impossible because it will not do what you expect your pets to do?   Humans deserve a little more respect than that surely ---they are not pets after all LOL


Why is it disdainful towards humans? After all we are all animals really. Of course humans have civilization, technology etc ' but that just makes us different not superior. That humans are better than the rest of life on earth is just a presumption we have about ourselves.

 It is not that far off to compare children to cats or dogs. Irrespective of civilization, we're all mammals. There are actually many similarities in how we learn and socialize. Civilization has actually eroded our mammalian tendencies of loyalty and pack commitment. The fact that we consider legal obligation to "care" for providers is an illustration for that. So do we really deserve more respect than other animals who don't think in terms of self interest when it comes to loyalty to the pack and providers?


Unlike animals human beings have the ability to override their impulses and use their power of discretion . Thats an improvement in evolution I feel though its a different matter some people choose not to use that ability and prefer to behave like animals.

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 9:02am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Prometeus

Originally posted by .Chanchan.

Take care of their parents in their old age?


Parents are always expected to provide the best care and facilities to their children,and most of them do..!  But is that kindness and care reciprocated by children, once they grow older? And in cases where children choose not to care for their elderly parents, should they be legally obliged to do so? Should a law be enforced to ensure parents are taken care of by children after adulthood.

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commonly most of the parents effort is to fulfill their ambitions through the child...I feel,real parents will give freedom...They will not impose themselves upon the child,they will not make you as a pet or they will not treat you as dog...their effort will be to help the child to be himself or to be herself and  they can give directions ...they can give ideas..bt they not to impose their ideas. They are not to create slaves..when you love a person, you cannot condition him much... When you love a person, you give him freedom, you give him protection... When you love a person you would not like him to be just a carbon copy of yourself, you would like him to be a unique lovable individual... Smile
what is real or unreal Vinubhai Big smile They do what they think is the best for their child but can be wrong.

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Posted: 30 April 2013 at 3:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Chanchan.

Take care of their parents in their old age?


Parents are always expected to provide the best care and facilities to their children,and most of them do..!  But is that kindness and care reciprocated by children, once they grow older? And in cases where children choose not to care for their elderly parents, should they be legally obliged to do so? Should a law be enforced to ensure parents are taken care of by children after adulthood.

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Legally, no. Not everyone has the resources or ability to care for elders, especially if they have special needs. Also legislative policies can't really address some of the complex issues seniors face in society. I think we need to pool together some resources to fund support programs for seniors that can actually work with families and incorporate familial support into institutional care.

But we are such a youth-obsessed, cheap (taxphobic) society that people have all kinds of resistance to the idea. They'll let corporations get away with all kinds of tax breaks and wreak all kinds of havoc on our planet for free. But the idea of our taxes going towards collective welfare is so offensive to some people. It's a sad reflection on the state of things. I think a society's health and values is measured by how we care for those who are the most vulnerable - seniors, those with mental illnesses and so on.

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