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Posted: 23 April 2013 at 1:25pm | IP Logged
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You doctors work VERY hard, however your salary reflects that work!  But yeah I have a doctor friend, that works night shifts, weekends, and all antisocial hours and on call duty and what not, she does love her work, but it can get very stressful! 


yea... it kind of does... but when you have a 6 figure student loan debt staring you in the face, you kind of need it! And glad your friend likes it, or it can be really bad! I've seen so many burnt out and hateful doctors cuz they went into the profession for all the wrong reasons Ouch

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@Persephone

You doctors work VERY hard, however your salary reflects that work!  But yeah I have a doctor friend, that works night shifts, weekends, and all antisocial hours and on call duty and what not, she does love her work, but it can get very stressful! 


yea... it kind of does... but when you have a 6 figure student loan debt staring you in the face, you kind of need it! And glad your friend likes it, or it can be really bad! I've seen so many burnt out and hateful doctors cuz they went into the profession for all the wrong reasons Ouch
True, it can be stressful and the number of suicide rates in the students as well as professinals in this field is high. The stress level is also responsible for  strained family and social lives . I heard oe of my friend say that they are also prone o getting addicted to drugs due to easy accessibiity Unhappy Achieving a good balance would be important.

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^^^ OMG absolutely! You'd be surprised with the stats for the percent of doctors who have at some point in their career a dependence on some drug or alcohol. And prescription drugs are in such easy access, that its almost as easy as being addicted to chocolate. But the problem is that by the time a lot of people realize that this is not the work for them, it's too late to get out as they have a huge student loan to pay off. I knew a guy in a similar situation and he just stuck with it and had the smarts to choose a speciality where he didn't deal with people (pathology).
And yes, the stress is kinda ridiculous. Even just in a school/training, the hours and work load is crazy! Like no other field needed to government to come and set a maximum number of hours they could work (80 per week in the US now). And honestly, I've seen people who've taken to drinking as a way to unwind and are already walking down a slippery slope (1 or 2 years into the program)!
Anyways, rant over. Sorry TM for randomly hijacking your topic into a totally different avenue :/

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Persephone, you don't have to apologise!  I love hearing other people's experiences!.. the doctor friend i have, she has just graduated this year after completing her five years of studies, and now has her two years of training - FY1 right now.  It is a long, difficult journey and she has handled the pressure of her course exceptionally well. One of the nicest person you will ever meet, she has the passion for the actual career, and the passion for saving lives. If you are in the field for any other passion, such as money or reputation then i guess it does drown you down, hence the high statistics of drug dependency.  

I wish you all the best in your career, it is a long, difficult journey  but very rewarding. The country is in need for good, genuine doctors and their is no other profession that is as respected as the doctors, and it doesn't come as a surprise that every mother wants their child to grow up as a doctor at some point! LOL.  

Talking about doctors - and this is going completely off tangent here, but the bomb suspect, 19years old Dzhokhar Tsarnev, was he not inspiring to be  brain doctor? Just reading his news now, and this guy is now getting support from media, that he is innocent and was in some way set up by the government.  I am one of the supporters of Tsarvnev, I feel he has been trapped also but fail to understand why they will target a chechen this time. 

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Originally posted by kryptoniite

The point is to have a degree in your hands so that you can be on equal footing with the rest. World is bad enough WITH a bachelor's degree under your belt.. why would you wanna imagine it without it? gasps, you'd be slumming it away in a place that only has minimum wage to offer. Another brilliant reason to have it is so that you can flaunt it to your gossip mongering uncles and aunties and tell em to suck it.

And why do you think to be on equal footing with rest, you need a degree to prove that or to achieve that?  And why do you think only people without degree earn minimum wage? or people without degree can't be high achievers?  These days, universities are just money making business, they give you an education but they are not guaranteeing you a job. A person, leaving with just basic education and having the will power to succeed and thrive, can make their way up their career through experience, motivation, hard work and passion.. true, you need to be smart to do that, but smartness is not only measured by your academic achievement, there are many measures. 

I tell you story of my friend, who left school at 17 to work full time in  Sainsbury, she wasn't dumb and at that point we all thought she made the most stupid decision of her life. But to her, that was the right decision and she sacrificed her student life, the life which i am sure majority will agree are the best days of your life and dedicated herself to work. She went through trainee managerial position at 19, and today she is a senior branch manager of Sainsbury. Does she have a degree? NO. Does she have above minimum wage? Definitely yes. 

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Not disagreeing with you kryptonite. But was only stating a point, that you don't necessarily need to have a degree to live a good life, and enjoy good salary. That's all. 

Ps to point out, just a degree in your hand is not good enough these days, try to gain experience in your field, even as voluntary. Will definitely help in the long run. 

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Lol studying only is boring. The past month has been extremely slow for me since i am the type who had three jobs and still managed to get my degree. Don't know how i did it now lol... I don't know where and what went wrong but it is a breathing period for me now.

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Originally posted by Gumrah...


Okay I have been checking student forums, where graduates have been complaining about the competitive job market and their struggles to find a job that pays even the minimum wage. The atmosphere on the student forum was too blue so switched to debate mansion for some quality debates on what is the point of a degree these days?

From personal experience, today i got an email to inform me that they regret to let me know my application has been unsuccessful for X position. When i called them up to question why that was the case, they told me that although i meet the necessary qualifications, but there were other people who applied, with more experience than me. I had higher qualifications than specified, but my lack of experience put me at disadvantage, hence they rejected me . 

My debate. How are you suppose to get experience without being given the opportunity?applications, say they don't discriminate and equal opportunities is given to everyone, but they discriminate because of experience? Talking about application forms, if they don't discriminate why would they bother to  ask about your ethnic background, disability, religion gender, age etc? Why is that important to know before the application has even been processed?  Discrimination is done by putting a disclaimer ! LOL  

EDITED to put a toothless laughing emotican. Life is a joke, isn't it? LOL




posting after a very long time.

How are you suppose to get experience without being given the opportunity?

i know its a catch 22 situation and it sucks i think we have all been through it
my suggestion would be to volunteer in your chosen field or something similar

From my own experience when i graduated i had zero experience in my field of IT

my work experience involved working in grocery shops and a voluntary placement i setup in the IT Department helping disabled students with there studies that i organized myself which was easy because being a disabled student i had gone through the whole process myself ie
getting the right equipment/software to aid in my studies and being taught how to use it and i thought i know how to do this position so i helped other students.

The other thing i did was ask everyone i knew in my field if there were vacancies after several months i got a job Alhumdulillah ive been working for over 2 yrs now in my field.

As far as discrimination goes it may happen who knows but i think you are asked your gender ethinicity etc for stats purposes or the may work on a quota system.

Great topic Big smile

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