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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 1:39am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine

Originally posted by Gumrah...


Okay I have been checking student forums, where graduates have been complaining about the competitive job market and their struggles to find a job that pays even the minimum wage. The atmosphere on the student forum was too blue so switched to debate mansion for some quality debates on what is the point of a degree these days?

From personal experience, today i got an email to inform me that they regret to let me know my application has been unsuccessful for X position. When i called them up to question why that was the case, they told me that although i meet the necessary qualifications, but there were other people who applied, with more experience than me. I had higher qualifications than specified, but my lack of experience put me at disadvantage, hence they rejected me . 




    That's a serious situation you have on hand ..If I were you I woulda written an Email to their highest honcho. Wait I ll write one here for your reference.. 

    To the CEO ...
 
     Dear Sir,

      I'm afraid but I must say that's a scummy reason you gave me for rejecting my job application. I can prove to you right now that I can do many things, accomplish many tasks pretty neatly without any experience... I was born without any prior experience ..I successfully failed my first test in grade 4 without any experience ..Ouch ...I didn't get caught when I stole my dad's wallet for the first time ..What more proof do you need to know that I am brilliant nuff to handle every job...
 
     And your rejection?  Its the proof that you have no experience in handling people like me ...and getting the work done from us ...you losers ...Or may be you are scared that I ll one day better your performance and become more prominent than you guys out there ...You cowards ...Ouch

    People like you are the greatest burden on Nation's economy ...You just want innocent people like me to remain jobless and rely upon the social security benefits all our lives and endure the stigma that ensues after to that ..Now don't ya guys think that Imma take this issue lightly ..I ll sell everything ..Even my neighbor's belongings and buy common stock of your company so that you ll be left with no choice but to invite me to your annual general meeting ..Where I ll chuck rotten eggs and tomatoes at you ...So you guys better look out for me ... 

  Vintu...Ouch

    Ps:  Hey ! You can use this Email letter freely without asking me that and I bet they ll be mortified and offer you the job ..Smile


 
 
Is that experience speaking ? Shocked If yes then it does  make  difference , doesnt it   LOL


Edited by _Angie_ - 18 April 2013 at 3:23am

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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 6:10am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Gumrah...


Okay I have been checking student forums, where graduates have been complaining about the competitive job market and their struggles to find a job that pays even the minimum wage. The atmosphere on the student forum was too blue so switched to debate mansion for some quality debates on what is the point of a degree these days?

From personal experience, today i got an email to inform me that they regret to let me know my application has been unsuccessful for X position. When i called them up to question why that was the case, they told me that although i meet the necessary qualifications, but there were other people who applied, with more experience than me. I had higher qualifications than specified, but my lack of experience put me at disadvantage, hence they rejected me . 

My debate. How are you suppose to get experience without being given the opportunity?applications, say they don't discriminate and equal opportunities is given to everyone, but they discriminate because of experience? Talking about application forms, if they don't discriminate why would they bother to  ask about your ethnic background, disability, religion gender, age etc? Why is that important to know before the application has even been processed?
Discrimination is done by putting a disclaimer ! LOL  

EDITED to put a toothless laughing emotican. Life is a joke, isn't it? LOL




This is the most frustrating situation for many college grads, and it's true that many employers won't hire you unless you have experience. And it's also true that you may not have any experience in your field unless your given the opportunity.  But I believe it takes one employer to give you that first chance to get that much needed experience. First-impression is everything in a job interview! There are some employers out there who don't care if you have experience, as long as you're willing to learn and are self-motivated, you'll be hired on the spot. And I also believe that having worked full-time in your field doesn't mean you don't have any experience! It's a win-win situation.



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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 6:56am | IP Logged
Something that I always used to ponder over myself. It's a bit of a struggle when it comes to having experience in the same field - But, I think it's all about gaining whatever skills that you can through different jobs that might not even be related to your degree, volunteering, building relationships and then having those connections within companies that might help in the long run. It'll all pan out at the end. 

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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 6:57am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Vintage

    That's a serious situation you have on hand ..If I were you I woulda written an Email to their highest honcho. Wait I ll write one here for your reference.. 

    To the CEO ...
 
     Dear Sir,

      I'm afraid but I must say that's a scummy reason you gave me for rejecting my job application. I can prove to you right now that I can do many things, accomplish many tasks pretty neatly without any experience... I was born without any prior experience ..I successfully failed my first test in grade 4 without any experience ..Ouch ...I didn't get caught when I stole my dad's wallet for the first time ..What more proof do you need to know that I am brilliant nuff to handle every job...
 
     And your rejection?  Its the proof that you have no experience in handling people like me ...and getting the work done from us ...you losers ...Or may be you are scared that I ll one day better your performance and become more prominent than you guys out there ...You cowards ...Ouch

    People like you are the greatest burden on Nation's economy ...You just want innocent people like me to remain jobless and rely upon the social security benefits all our lives and endure the stigma that ensues after to that ..Now don't ya guys think that Imma take this issue lightly ..I ll sell everything ..Even my neighbor's belongings and buy common stock of your company so that you ll be left with no choice but to invite me to your annual general meeting ..Where I ll chuck rotten eggs and tomatoes at you ...So you guys better look out for me ... 

  Vintu...Ouch

    Ps:  Hey ! You can use this Email letter freely without asking me that and I bet they ll be mortified and offer you the job ..Smile



Couldn't have worded it better.
Now, would ya be kind enough to give me your private email address so I can send the same to you ? Ouch .. I just received my 77th rejection from your company last week & I have no funds to buy off your company's stock either. LOL

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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 10:36am | IP Logged
Sorry for the rambling post on the previous page.. that was a result of mental exhaustion. 
Will try to keep it simple this time! 

I have talked to people who have been recruiting for years and basically what they say is degrees and experience don't matter much.. those are just filters. A recruiter has to flip through hundreds and thousands of resumes in a limited time.. how much do you think they will read? They will glance through it and all a good education/experience does is ensure your resume doesn't end up in the trash..! 

If you attended the interview, then you have an equal chance as all the other interviewees. All that matters is how you impress them at the interview; it's a relative scale. Impression again doesn't mean knowledge and skills, a recruiter will have a set of qualities and you have to meet them! Skill definitely is the most important, but if they don't think you are capable of applying those skills, you won't be hired! I remember asking this one lady who owns a recruitment startup about why they ask those silly questions about strength and weaknesses when you know everyone comes prepared with lies.. and she said, well recruiters see such people everyday, they can pick up on what they want even if you lie! 

That said, what are your options? Keep applying to other jobs.. keep an open mind and know its not your fault! There are a lot of variables, that the recruitment process usually seems unfair! Recruiters also confess there are times they make the wrong decision .. and it never works out.. but well they try their best! 

Here's something from experience. Ever since I got into this field, I wanted to get into this one company, and I was so excited when I was one of the few who qualified to their interview.. and then I screwed it up .. 'coz I was so excited and nervous and I stammered.. though I have never stammered in my life before or after that! Anyways.. later I found out that one of my interviewers was totally biased.. it was very clear they knew who they wanted to hire.. 'coz he asked those people the same set of very simple personal questions .. and the rest of us got really really difficult technical questions! I was so disappointed, and yet happy when my best friend got in. I got into a pretty good company myself, but I always thought I was unlucky that I didn't get into my dream company. But it turned out later, that my friend's job sucked big time. He hated it, while I loved my job! So actually all I can say is if you don't get into a company, maybe its for your own good .. Big smile 

What I am trying to say is if they told it you didn't get it because of lack of experience, there is a good chance they are lying .. else they should have mentioned it in the list of requirements for the job!

I agree with Aarya, just because someone has experience doesn't mean they know something more than a person with no experience! You might actually pick up stuff faster than they might.. and the company might benefit hiring you more than the person who has experience in one field, which might be totally useless after a while.


Edited by boreddamsel - 18 April 2013 at 10:49am

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When y'all figure out let me know. 

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@ Vintage wine LOL. That is CLASSIC. Out of interest, how many times have you replicated that letter to the  employers who rejected you? I am sure they must have kicked themselves really hard after reading your gem of a letter, and realising the biggest mistake of their lives by not employing you!  such a bright cookie you areTongue

@ Aarya + Quirky - I know of many graduates, that are doing jobs in completely different fields from their study. I guess, once you get your first break then opportunities to progress is clearer. I am still waiting for my first proper break. I have had many jobs as a student, but none of them were graduate level jobs. I suppose what looks good in my resume, is experience in blooming every field ie catering, retail, customer service, labs, contact centers, bank, sales and hospital LOL.. Some look at my resume and presume i am a job hopper, whilst others may look at it me being able to adapt myself in various environment. Either way, i am still struggling to get my first break in a graduate paid job right now  *Sighs*. 

@Bored-damsel. Thank you for the detailed response. Yes, i know how these recruiting agencies work. It is personality that sells for many jobs, mostly extroverts have the advantage over introverts. Debate?
I am glad, you got the job you love now. Job satisfaction is important, if you love your job you will be thrived to do better and improve yourself and climb the ladder of success on your own merits! I am still waiting for the job, that can become my drug. I am quite a workaholic person, thus been unemployed for the past few weeks, is making me weak. LOL

Thanks everyone else! Sorry if i haven't quoted you, i promise i have read all your responses. I am just lazy to quote all :). Keep your responses coming


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Posted: 18 April 2013 at 1:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Gumrah...

@Bored-damsel. Thank you for the detailed response. Yes, i know how these recruiting agencies work. It is personality that sells for many jobs, mostly extroverts have the advantage over introverts. Debate?

Personally, I think it's passion to work and not personality. Not sure how they judge it .. 

I am glad, you got the job you love now. Job satisfaction is important, if you love your job you will be thrived to do better and improve yourself and climb the ladder of success on your own merits!

I quit my job four years ago .. have been studying since then.. but in a way glad I did.. I don't think I was this happy when I was working.. Not sure how I will survive in the industry again. I can tell you one thing, I tried applying for internships my first year and didn't get any, 'coz I had lost touch of the whole interviewing game! From what I heard, every small job counts.. even if its a small internship. That's what one of the recruiters said. I have to try and apply at least next year. .. it's just so much of work, preparing for interviews I mean! 

I am still waiting for the job, that can become my drug. I am quite a workaholic person, thus been unemployed for the past few weeks, is making me weak. LOL
I totally understand. Smile
Hope you find a job soon! Good luck!


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