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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 4:18am | IP Logged
Madhu might not have been his lover when he married her for revenge. But she was girl who did so much for him when he decided to dump her at the alter. She did not start anything she reported an accident she witnessed and made RK realize that just because he is a superstar he cant get away with anything. (OMG EVIL Madhu) misunderstandings happens yes, the magnitude of the result was wrong and Angad realized it right away after the misunderstanding got cleared. 


I never said Madhu was evil but saying that she had done nothing to prove her point out to him through a  way- her way being morals , is WRONG.Both ever since they met tried to prove each other that who is wrong and who is deluded in their own world and who is going to set each other right. Madhu used her weapon of morals and RK used his weapon of domination and revenge. That is how the power relations began and that is exactly what I am talking about. Moreover , it is no point arguing cause you care about the intentions and i care about the results...the result of RK's revenge is lot less orse compared to Angad's result of a misundrstanding. That is what I am trying to say. Anyway. The power relaitons thing I am talking about is too much to write so ill give only an example. Remember when Padmini after their first meet had told Madhu that she does not support her anymore , because Madhu is NOT fighting for the rights of a strnger anymore?Cause ever since she met RK , her intention was more about setting HIM right out of his delusional world of power by her weapon of morals. Taking him to jail especially after meeting him had not been about a strnger-Mukund anymore , it was about showing a prideful man his place. It was another personal intention and battle from her side and from RK's side altogether.I remember Padmini saying that to Madhu that tu apni hi jung ladh rahi hai , ek stranger ke rights ke liye nahi. And she was exactly right about her daughter. Thus , that's from where the power relations started.It started and is there everywhere. Madhu tried to set him on track to take him off the image of RK by using her belief and power in God and Morals. Thus , the ganpati bappa ceremony in trying to restore his belief in God and breaking RK. But intesd what happened? The power relations turned upside down and RK broke Madhu. There power relations is EXTREMELY interesting to analyse more than their emotions for each other...

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@ Escape.My.Love: So the end justifies abusive means for you?
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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 5:52am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

@ Escape.My.Love: So the end justifies abusive means for you?
what do you mean ? if power relations justifies violence and abuse? Well foucault said that much to general belief , violence is not a weapon to power , that is an error in belief, it is the weapon that destroys power.power only can remain if the mass is passive. Violence is when the passive mass's false consciousness breaks and violence acts as a sword , breaking the power relations. In this case , the power relations are still hanging there. Madhu is about to fight back with a broken heart and NOT subjugate.that itself explains their situation. Knowing Madhu she has been anything but passive to his retorts in the means of words and actions ,  and thats why the power relations between them still exist. Had Madhu been passive , we would not see her rising from the ashes and giving it back to him.If you want to term this domestically , it is called Mutual Violence Control under Johnson's universally used domestic violence catgeoy.it is said to the most rare form of violence found in domestic violence. 

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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 7:16am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Escape.My.Love.

Madhu might not have been his lover when he married her for revenge. But she was girl who did so much for him when he decided to dump her at the alter. She did not start anything she reported an accident she witnessed and made RK realize that just because he is a superstar he cant get away with anything. (OMG EVIL Madhu) misunderstandings happens yes, the magnitude of the result was wrong and Angad realized it right away after the misunderstanding got cleared. 


I never said Madhu was evil but saying that she had done nothing to prove her point out to him through a  way- her way being morals , is WRONG.Both ever since they met tried to prove each other that who is wrong and who is deluded in their own world and who is going to set each other right. Madhu used her weapon of morals and RK used his weapon of domination and revenge. That is how the power relations began and that is exactly what I am talking about. Moreover , it is no point arguing cause you care about the intentions and i care about the results...the result of RK's revenge is lot less orse compared to Angad's result of a misundrstanding. That is what I am trying to say. Anyway. The power relaitons thing I am talking about is too much to write so ill give only an example. Remember when Padmini after their first meet had told Madhu that she does not support her anymore , because Madhu is NOT fighting for the rights of a strnger anymore?Cause ever since she met RK , her intention was more about setting HIM right out of his delusional world of power by her weapon of morals. Taking him to jail especially after meeting him had not been about a strnger-Mukund anymore , it was about showing a prideful man his place. It was another personal intention and battle from her side and from RK's side altogether.I remember Padmini saying that to Madhu that tu apni hi jung ladh rahi hai , ek stranger ke rights ke liye nahi. And she was exactly right about her daughter. Thus , that's from where the power relations started.It started and is there everywhere. Madhu tried to set him on track to take him off the image of RK by using her belief and power in God and Morals. Thus , the ganpati bappa ceremony in trying to restore his belief in God and breaking RK. But intesd what happened? The power relations turned upside down and RK broke Madhu. There power relations is EXTREMELY interesting to analyse more than their emotions for each other...
 
yes intentions are important in forgiving a person to me because that to me explains their character. Someone can be trying to help their kid in a car and get into an accident and harm another person. That would be a lot better than someone intentionally beating someone up. Angad was not half as egotistic as RK. He had something called morals inside him for the first half of the story anyway. I started hated him after the second half. After he tried to force himself on Kripa and tried to blackmail her into getting back with him. The first half of the story was well planned and than in the second half I feel CVs lost insight into the show the way I feel the CVs have here. Also I dont get a thing about what you mean about power dynamic the play out in life naturally. PPl report crimes and a prisons or other institutions are designed to help people grow and become better people. Whether they actually do or not depends and defines the person? I dont think RK has the capacity to become better by what is shown. And by the way he did not manage to break Madhu she is perfectly fine and functioning healthily without him. He is the one the has gone psychotic. As Radhaji said all that is left now is for him to be bumping his heads into walls.

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Originally posted by Gurtiluv

Originally posted by Escape.My.Love.

Madhu might not have been his lover when he married her for revenge. But she was girl who did so much for him when he decided to dump her at the alter. She did not start anything she reported an accident she witnessed and made RK realize that just because he is a superstar he cant get away with anything. (OMG EVIL Madhu) misunderstandings happens yes, the magnitude of the result was wrong and Angad realized it right away after the misunderstanding got cleared. 


I never said Madhu was evil but saying that she had done nothing to prove her point out to him through a  way- her way being morals , is WRONG.Both ever since they met tried to prove each other that who is wrong and who is deluded in their own world and who is going to set each other right. Madhu used her weapon of morals and RK used his weapon of domination and revenge. That is how the power relations began and that is exactly what I am talking about. Moreover , it is no point arguing cause you care about the intentions and i care about the results...the result of RK's revenge is lot less orse compared to Angad's result of a misundrstanding. That is what I am trying to say. Anyway. The power relaitons thing I am talking about is too much to write so ill give only an example. Remember when Padmini after their first meet had told Madhu that she does not support her anymore , because Madhu is NOT fighting for the rights of a strnger anymore?Cause ever since she met RK , her intention was more about setting HIM right out of his delusional world of power by her weapon of morals. Taking him to jail especially after meeting him had not been about a strnger-Mukund anymore , it was about showing a prideful man his place. It was another personal intention and battle from her side and from RK's side altogether.I remember Padmini saying that to Madhu that tu apni hi jung ladh rahi hai , ek stranger ke rights ke liye nahi. And she was exactly right about her daughter. Thus , that's from where the power relations started.It started and is there everywhere. Madhu tried to set him on track to take him off the image of RK by using her belief and power in God and Morals. Thus , the ganpati bappa ceremony in trying to restore his belief in God and breaking RK. But intesd what happened? The power relations turned upside down and RK broke Madhu. There power relations is EXTREMELY interesting to analyse more than their emotions for each other...
 
yes intentions are important in forgiving a person to me because that to me explains their character. Someone can be trying to help their kid in a car and get into an accident and harm another person. That would be a lot better than someone intentionally beating someone up. Angad was not half as egotistic as RK. He had something called morals inside him for the first half of the story anyway. I started hated him after the second half. After he tried to force himself on Kripa and tried to blackmail her into getting back with him. The first half of the story was well planned and than in the second half I feel CVs lost insight into the show the way I feel the CVs have here. Also I dont get a thing about what you mean about power dynamic the play out in life naturally. PPl report crimes and a prisons or other institutions are designed to help people grow and become better people. Whether they actually do or not depends and defines the person? I dont think RK has the capacity to become better by what is shown. And by the way he did not manage to break Madhu she is perfectly fine and functioning healthily without him. He is the one the has gone psychotic. As Radhaji said all that is left now is for him to be bumping his heads into walls.
Lol forget it you dont get it and i am tired in trying to put my point across..if Madhu isn't broken then why is everyone wailing about her state cause of RK? she is broken from within and herself said that everything had died inside her. She'll bounce back to him , and until or unless he never condenses he'll bounce back again to her after she rises from the current situation. Thus , the power play like a ping pong ball from one side to the other. anyway im tired of trying to explain  my view point.More over something like beating and battering is laughable comparing it to RK's treatment on Mahdu , though no one is denying it is completely creepy and unusual...people who suffer from physical beating abttering KNOW what and how it really is ..the real picture...ask them to see whats happening and the question of beating and battering someone equating to his treatment on Madhu willl make them laugh. Those who have really gone through really know what and how it is... nice discussing with you though.

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Cvs are god know leading the show where. I think they should first clear there heads and then come with something actually creative not killing.
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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 7:41am | IP Logged
@Escape.My.Love: Ever heard of anything called "mental abuse"? Beating and battering isn't the only form of abuse FYI. Action Control and Manipulation is abuse. Handcuffing was borderline physical abuse. Not allowing somebody to move on and stalking are certified forms of Harassment. Y'get it?
And no, mutual domestic violence control does not negate the fact that one side is continuously attempting abuse.

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Posted: 16 April 2013 at 7:47am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

@Escape.My.Love: Ever heard of anything called "mental abuse"? Beating and battering isn't the only form of abuse FYI. Action Control and Manipulation is abuse. Handcuffing was borderline physical abuse. Not allowing somebody to move on and stalking are certified forms of Harassment. Y'get it?
And no, mutual domestic violence control does not negate the fact that one side is continuously attempting abuse.
Yes but Madhu never fought back always  only to defend herself.She fought back her own way many times to show him "the right track" in what she believes in. I know the multiple forms of abuse. Thank you very much. TongueWhat Madhu does and has also done in the past ie ignorance and avoidance is also said to be covert abuse that is a big part of emotional abuse as well. TongueLOLMental abuse subverts to Emotional abuse. 

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