Originally posted by lovely_lady
Originally posted by Oh_No_Soaps
Originally posted by lovely_ladyIm afraid I disagree with you. This is EXACTLY what is dangerous and should not be done. I think most of the young naive girls who are rooting for the RK/Madhu jodi or think that awww...RK is so sexy so hot, ohhh how much he loves Madhu just look at the way he looks at her, look how possesive he is etc etc, all ALL agree that he has treated her badly.
THANK YOU! I'm actually so appalled to see that so many members are rooting for Madhu and RK to get back together right away. It's disgusting.
I'm a fan of RK, not gonna lie. I appreciate that he's a grey character and doesn't shy away from admitting that he's an asshole. But if the CV's show him getting back with Madhu without a redemption track, I'm going to be mightily angry. RK needs a redemption track in order to justify him getting back with Madhu.
And on another note (I know this is unrelated lol but have to get this off my chest) I'm so pissed off with everyone glorifying RK and in the process bringing Sultan down. Both guys aren't perfect, but only pointing out the good things while highlighting the bad things in another person is not fair at all. Yes Sultan is a Don, but he's shown to have somewhat of a moral code which I appreciate. He's rude and abusive but does respect Madhu enough to not man handle her. I loved it when he appeared to be interfering when RK was manhandling Madhu during holy but stopped out of respect. It was so wonderfully done.
And RK, he's one of my favourite characters due to his grey nature, but he acts like a villain half the time! And all these young girls glorifying him for acting like a villian, with his psychological mind games, manhandling, etc, is ridiculous! He doesn't respect women that much at all, he used to even disrespect his mother who unconditionally loved him! People need to separate RK from Vivian. I really really hope the CV's have a redemption track in plan for him.
The SCARY thing I find is that you all think that after a"redemption track" where he says sorry and feels remorse, and suffers a bit, its all ok for the CVs to write off Madhu and RK as ending happily. THAT IS WRONG. THAT IS THE WRONG MESSAGE and grooming girls for emotional abuse and control. Men (and some women) who show even 50% of the characteristics shown by RK SHOW NO REDEMPTION. IF THEY DO its an ACT. THEY NEVER NEVER CHANGE!
I want CVs not to show that LIE. The lie that they change because it influences young and impressionable people.
My response in this colour within the body or your reply:
Personally, I don't think of a redemption track as just one scene or two where he says sorry to Madhu and they live happily ever after. Heck no. I want RK to feel the same pain he inflicted on Madhu. I want him to grovel in her feet. And as rude as this sounds, I want him to suffer terribly before he can get back with her.
I feel no amount of remorse or suffering on RKs part should mean Madhu chooses him at the end. However, if they show him suffering, grovelling and then showing that yet again it was all an act on RKs part, or that it was merely coz he wanted her back then yes. Because this would continue in line with the RK characterization ie that of a psychopath.
And I have to disagree on the no remorse part. I think RK can possibly change. I think his relationship with his mother is proof of that.
Fair point. So far his "change" seems genuine.
He changed from being a disrespectful twat to a somewhat respectable twat. His entire character is based off his asshole traits.
Trouble is twats with psychopathy KNOW how to behave, know what is appropriate and what is not but its an act as shown by RK. They will act appropriately to get what they want. He knows his mother wants him back with Madhu. He is not going to alienate her.
Of course he isn't going to become the stereotypical "perfect husband." The entire show is based off a "dark love story." Those are rarely ever healthy. Like the show's title says, he's obsessed with her. And likewise, she can't help but be enticed by him. But at the end of the day, it's fiction. It'll all be over within a few years.
Agreed. When it IS over and if it is shown as ending with Madhu being happy ever after with RK, think of the msg sent 5 days a week for years to kids, young girls, teenagers...
And regarding the whole social message aspect. I definitely do agree with you in the fact that these soaps do lie to the general media. But at the same time, soaps aren't real. Look at all of Ekta Kapoor's drama's, those things are just beyond ridiculous. Who is their right mind would believe that crap? And I do understand the point you make with these shows making an impact to impressionable people, but even if you take Madhubala out of the equation, there's other shows that promote the same messages. To take an example, Iss Pyar Ko Kya Naam Do. That show was unbelievable huge and its fan following was amazing. But the main lead, Arnav, constantly manhandled the other lead Khushi. He'd always blow up at her for trivial things and she put up with his shit. In the end, they remained happily married to each other. The show and its fan glorified Arnav's character to the skies, despite his faults. It doesn't matter if the CV's tell the truth of such relationships or not, there's always going to be other shows out there that promote similar or worse messages.
This is EXACTLY what is worrying! The grooming of girls and women to have no self respect and to put up with abuse. Not to be able to differentiate between masculinity and control/abuse has been going on for years already. Now there is a new trend started by IPKKND, -the sexy, handsome controlling and abusive hero and the abused loving heroine who makes token gesture protests but at the end stays with him, which is so dangerous. Serials will put this crap out, coz shown as sexy, naive girls lap it up, and therefore glorify it. Cos they make the show a hit, channels will churn out more abusive heros and on viewer pressure, end it showing "happy ever after". Result serial after serial , girls shown to remain in abusive relationships.
Then all will wonder why women are disrespected and mistreated the most India. why men and boys do it, why girls put up with it.
I wonder if there is any channel, production house, writer brave and talented enough to break this viscous trend while its still in its relative infancy
Regarding Madhubala, honestly speaking, I won't mind if the CV's decide to end this in a "tragic" way with Madhu and RK not reuniting. It would be refreshing to see and the storm that would erupt in the forum would be amazing lol.Hear hear!!! not just refreshing but the strong signal and groundbreaking move that just coz a jodi starts out togather, it doesn't have to end that way. It will make girls stop and think next similar serial they watch; That instead of finding ANY which way to justify how the initial jodi should remain togather at the end AND happy, that they THINK...is what is being shown right? Does the girl have a choice? What should she choose? Why? After all they are all making yogurt of their dimaag trying to justify keeping an abusive relationship togather. A little thought in the other direction will do them and Indian soap world and Indian society A WORLD OF GOOD.