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Posted: 07 April 2013 at 10:48am | IP Logged
Another point about daddy shekhawat, he knows that to survive in this world, one can't be like swayam...swayam die hard fans may be hurt but guys it is truth. He is too platonic, too sensible for this world. Not in real world people are like sharon who would melt down, rather they would push you down.
And for swayam, he doesn't want to win after making anyone else a looser. But in real world you have to do this, in a game there is only one winner, Swayam doesn't take any pleasure in being the topper by making anyone upset. But the blunt truth is one need to be like this a bit... even swayam, the lifestyle he has, it is not possible by the attitude swayam has.  

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Posted: 08 April 2013 at 1:06am | IP Logged
Originally posted by meghasingh

Is it really hard to understand? ( Haha, I am not sure ? ;p ) Okay just my POV, don't pounce on me. The single word he used for a dancer depicts his views... "Nachaniya" he used it for swayam, and it's not a respectable word, and sometimes even associated with courtesans.
And regarding Papa Shekhawat...shekhawat family is a quite traditional one...doubtlessly and they cherish some typical notions in a wonderful way. We know that through swayam...So for daddy shekhawat...it's not at all acceptable that his son...a man...isn't like a man... like a tough competitive spirit, proud, arrogance...he cherishes these notions whereas swayam hardly gives a damn to anything like them. In short mr.shekhawat would had loved Rey without dance in him...for him dancers are just a means for others entertainment doing no real work.
And about one thing papa shekhawat  is not so wrong, being a dancer and a corporate leader, in terms of power corporaate world exceeds. Think in real...even d3 are happy as 50+ k as their fee in a group of 11 members while, regarding sharon, rey and swayam's lifestyle especially, they won't be able to make themselves comfy in about 50k bucks for a month, they live a lifestyle which is not even possible through dancing, NOW. So through daddy shekhawat he too is not absolutely wrong.


Okay, thankyou for the difference in opinion, I am not going to pounce lmao LOL
But yeah, I see what you mean, and you are totally right in what you're saying too. 
Maybe Papa's problem isn't what I think it is (I am hardly ever right when it comes to CVs/SwaRon haha ) 
And yeah most probably he is looking out for his son and whatnot. 
But damn, why can't he just accept Swayam the way he is ? I mean the more he forces. shouts at Swayam to change, the more Swayam is going to rebel (in his own way). 

And D3, they just started, they are barely 2-3 dance (offers) old. 
As time goes on, I am sure they will get better offers and reach higher heights ;p 

But yeah, for now I guess we can  just wait and see what happens. 
I don't know it's just that I felt that he was mad at Swayam for doing something he himself could not do (maybe I was speaking from experience haaha LOL

But thanks again, for trying to explain his/ a different POV to me !! 

I hope my post didn't come across as a pounce ;p 

Enjoy !! 
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OH GOD, this is going to be ONE L O N G post ;p 


Originally posted by gupta.aditi20

Ok, wow !! You got Swayam down to the last bit of his character, describing him as perfectly as one can in words ! Good Job !
Yeah it's true that Swayam is literally THE BEST at everything, in every relationship.
Any phase of life, and problem, any situation; he always comes out on the top !
The understanding he has for every single person in his life, any single person who crossed his path is great.
For me, not only is he one of the best characters to be portrayed, but also one of THE MOST UNDERSTANDING character ever. In my opinion I think being so understanding is what makes him so great, is what adds (or should I say leads ) to him being so perfect.

Thankyou for such a great analysis of his character.

yeah he is perfect becuase in simple words he understands... whether hurt or angry .. he still understands others.. keeping their feelings way above himself..
But specially want to thank you for helping ME to understand some parts of his character, and the story.


Originally posted by gupta.aditi20


and that happened.. both finally crossed their limits.. hurting each other... but best part was all their anger and hurt was removed.. now all remained the feeling of love... love for each other... one still in love.. one yet to accept

Wow !! Till this date (well till before reading this post) I had failed to understand WHY after SUCH A BIG SHOWDOWN , SwaRon were okay with each other.
Why Sharon said to Rey that after everything that happened between them, there is no reason left for them not to be together.
To me, I thought that after the showdown, they had the BIGGEST reason to stay away from each other, to hate each other since they hurt each other in the most damaging way ever.
But THIS, your post, this helps me to realize the biggest aspect that I missed.
That they could now be together because, the only feeling left between them was LOVE !! WOW !!
That thought didn't even occur to me !

I'm the happiest for reading this post, 'cuz it made me see what I was missing.

well to me.. this was always the first thought in my mind... maybe thats why i simpply loved that scene.. for me it was swaron at its best... because both their characters are as such.. not ready to express their feelings and thoughts verbally..

Yes, I  re-visited your original topic and saw an even more detailed analysis of their behaviour. Thanks again. for making me understand. Haha I was really really confused about that track ;p 



so all in all.. i can say that now we understand why he does not show off?? he has all the qualities his father wants.. but he still understand the feeling of being a loser... so does not find in his heart to make anyone lose...

Okay. once again I was left confused as to why Swayam doesn't just show his dad his real personality. That he IS best at everything, that he does excel in every field. But now I understand, once again thanks to YOU, that the reason why Swayam doesn't show off, is because he understand how OTHERS feel about being a loser.
Or how others feel when they are not *considered* perfect. ( I say considered b/c Sharon used to, and papa Shekhawat still consider him to be a loser)

i hate to disagree with you... sharon never considered him as a loser... she told him numerous times loser because he could see through her... as said by swayam himself " tumhaari har us ada mei chupi hai saadgi.." and sharon in anger says such things which she does not mean... remember swayam's first dance and sharon calling him a looser.. but complementing him as an awsome dancer in drunk state... so he was never a loser to her.. but she still called him just push him away.. as she was scared of his love.. and more than that scared of feelings for him in her heart.. the way he makes loose control... and she was just scared... 

What I meant was that Swayam always thought that Sharon thought he was a loser, even when he revealed himself as the secret admirer she rejected him and one of the reason she gave him was that he was a desperate loser. 
Yeah, at the party she did compliment him, but after that hardly ever gave him a reason to think that he was any thing better than a loser. 
Until they started their trail relationship that is. 
And no matter how confident Swayam is about knowing Sharon inseide/out - he doesn't live inside her head, he can't possible know everything she ACTUALLY feels and thinks ( though that would solve 90% of their problems haha LOL
And yeah after that Sharon has been nice to Swayam, but still it is VERY hard to forget how she used to be with him, and all the things she used to say to him (even when he "broke-up" with her (Sneha's time) he said he was 'releasing' her like before - indicating that even though they were in a relationship, he still hadn't forgotten the past).

And in addition to that, he obviously still remembers the way Papa has been treating him Cry

Once again, a huge SHUKRIYAA for making this post, helping me to understand the perfection that is Swayam's character.



What makes me so upset, or even maybe angry is the thought that the reason why Swayam's dad is upset with him is NOT because Swayam dances, but rather because Mr.Shekhawat DOES NOT.

Papa Shekhawat is not upset because Swayam can dance, but rather he cannot tolerate, and refuses to accept the fact that his son, the perfect Swayam, has excelled in a field in which he himself, papa, didn't excel in; DANCING.

He's mad at Swayam for being better than him, and automatically attributes dancing to a useless and demeaning field.

That makes me upset.
Instead of being happy that his son is good at something, infact the best at dancing, he's mad and angry that he himself couldn't excel in it.
Really depressing man. Shameful for a dad.

Oh well, at the end of this track I hope Papa Shekhawat sees how perfect his son really is, and that at also this tracks ADDS to the perfection that is the character of Swayam.


no i guess through this track we'll come to know why he does not share his feelings with anyone... why he is so much reserved!!! why he hates competitions... why he hate winning.. because in simple words his father loved these... and he did not... in order to rebel he as a child started hiding behind the shadows... because he felt safe...

this track
will show why he loves sharon so much... he dances because of sharon NOT due to his father or to show him anything.. sharon is an inspiration to him because only she made him a win over his reservatons... because of her.. he got an identification.. because of her his self confidence got boost up.. as the saying goes "behind every successful man, there is a woman.." and for him sharon is that woman..

and i do not consider papa shekhawat as a totally negetive character.. he just like every father wants his son to be the best... and he knows his son has those qualities to be best.. but his son's heart is so soft.. that he lets others win .. which in a real bad world is not good... we have to fight for our survival... and DANCE is not considered as a successful field in the outside world not only by his father but many others... and swayam for once for the love of dance will win over his father... and prove him.. he is the best...

thats the hope i have from this track...

I hope your hope gets fulfilled ! And yeah, let's expect positive things, and lots of answers from this track ! 
And Swayam in my opinion is the most complex character on D3, which is why it is necessary for us to have those 10-15 seconds dedicated to his POV, otherwise we would all just be left confused about his character ! 



and parents cant be totally negetive... they have their own set of thoughts which differ from children.. but they do CARE for their child and wants the best for them...they make them do things which they consider right... whether the child hates it or not... and they expect their child to do the same!!! i have faith in cv's they can never make a negetive father...

its same as parents they make their child do homework.. whether he likes it or not.. but they make their child do their homework.. because its good for their child.. and here papa shekhawat thinks that dance is not good for his child... it'll not do any good to him in future.. he does not have a problem with dance.. he said that as a hobby its okay.. but as a career not... so for me he is just looking after his child

(oh man, most parents are awesome !! And yeah, maybe his father is just looking out for him) 

and he compares him with rey only because he wants his son to be like him... taking up stand... being a hero... and not hiding behind the shadows.. which hides his qualities.. not only from the world.. but from himself too...

Yeah, Rey is a great character too,  the sort-of typical male lead character. 
But beechara Swayam, comparison to bestfriend is the WORST and MOST HURTFUL comparison ever (since your bestfriends mean so much to you) Cry




WOW Hahah, I think my comment is even longer than your post ! ;p
Enjoy



my answers in green.. and no dear i enjoyed reading your post... and i do not mind reading more... if you have something more to write... (I took you up on your offer, haha LOL ) i too am posting the same reply with little bit of additions... do see

p.s my answers in GREEN

and i just made a longer post than yours...ROFL



My answers are in purple, you probably already figured that out ;p 

Enjoy !! 
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Posted: 08 April 2013 at 2:12am | IP Logged
Originally posted by bumblebeeluna

Originally posted by meghasingh

Is it really hard to understand? ( Haha, I am not sure ? ;p ) Okay just my POV, don't pounce on me. The single word he used for a dancer depicts his views... "Nachaniya" he used it for swayam, and it's not a respectable word, and sometimes even associated with courtesans.
And regarding Papa Shekhawat...shekhawat family is a quite traditional one...doubtlessly and they cherish some typical notions in a wonderful way. We know that through swayam...So for daddy shekhawat...it's not at all acceptable that his son...a man...isn't like a man... like a tough competitive spirit, proud, arrogance...he cherishes these notions whereas swayam hardly gives a damn to anything like them. In short mr.shekhawat would had loved Rey without dance in him...for him dancers are just a means for others entertainment doing no real work.
And about one thing papa shekhawat  is not so wrong, being a dancer and a corporate leader, in terms of power corporaate world exceeds. Think in real...even d3 are happy as 50+ k as their fee in a group of 11 members while, regarding sharon, rey and swayam's lifestyle especially, they won't be able to make themselves comfy in about 50k bucks for a month, they live a lifestyle which is not even possible through dancing, NOW. So through daddy shekhawat he too is not absolutely wrong.

Okay, thankyou for the difference in opinion, I am not going to pounce lmao LOL
But yeah, I see what you mean, and you are totally right in what you're saying too. 
Maybe Papa's problem isn't what I think it is (I am hardly ever right when it comes to CVs/SwaRon haha ) 
And yeah most probably he is looking out for his son and whatnot. 
But damn, why can't he just accept Swayam the way he is ? I mean the more he forces. shouts at Swayam to change, the more Swayam is going to rebel (in his own way). 
And D3, they just started, they are barely 2-3 dance (offers) old. 
As time goes on, I am sure they will get better offers and reach higher heights ;p 
But yeah, for now I guess we can  just wait and see what happens. 
I don't know it's just that I felt that he was mad at Swayam for doing something he himself could not do (maybe I was speaking from experience haaha LOL
But thanks again, for trying to explain his/ a different POV to me !! 

I hope my post didn't come across as a pounce ;p 

Enjoy !! 

No your reply wasn't a ponce at me at all...
but the main problem daddy has with his son is the problem of power. As we saw even in the show as a dancer, what kind of behavior Sharon and Rey, who both are associated to business families and enjoy a status, a special attention due to this faced. My sole point is that it's true that being a dancer, it's really much hard to achieve what you want, still then with corporate world it can never compete, because corporate world is directly associated to power. As of swayam, he is someone who doesn't need to be recognized, he's a simple person who's happy with seeing everyone around him happy...this is the meaning of a perfect life for him...of course with sharon. But he misses a point, actually everyone esp. dazzlers and swayam are missing a ground reality...the standard they enjoy, can not be possible through dance. I mean if they don't have economic support of their parents, they can't afford magnificent houses, luxury cars and bikes and everything else. And u said this too that with time they'll have better offers... with time, till then?
And again the part, swayam's dad looks up to power, and swayam doesn't.

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