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Episode 239 Discussion: 6th April 2013 (Page 10)

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:11pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by AreYaar

P.S. Srush, I think he WILL make it about Madhu one day...but that one's going to be an AVALANCHE that I don't think he's ready for yet...for a character who uses Ego as both his weapon as  well as defense mechanism, it is too much to allow himself to be THAT vulnerable...today I saw that in RK...that FEAR of admitting the truth...admitting that he was wrong...cuz it's like one thread that if he allows to unravel, then EVERYTHING will unravel for him...it's what keeps him going...he can't face it.True that ...hehas to na...that is how the character development will happen...Like it was just RK in the first phase..then MAdhu entered and she somehow made space for herself in his life...and eventually even when he kicked her out;..she remained like a persistent termite, eating his life and soul...LOL
And THAT moment...that fear..the moment of panic when he realizes that he would have to answer those questions...was epic!! The way he almost gulped before saying no no no...very good projection... a scene well written and executed...She does jolt him out of his peacefully arrogant existence into something that wont let him rest...he so likes to predict her..and fails EVERY single time..just like he thought she would break after his rejection..she rises and takes up the challenge of living...just like he thought she would be ecstatic to recieve his attention ...she just about turns around and colours the poor gangster who does not know the ABCD of this maddening relationshipLOL Just when he thinks that she is about to back down and answer his questions, she questions him back and that too by catching his collar...the guy is into whole lot of roller coaster ride aheadLOL

I see a character that doesn't yet have the strength to bear the ENORMITY of the truth...for it's then not just about admitting he was wrong but also opening himself up to the TRUE impact of his love for Madhu...for now he just acts out in confused ways...but if he was ever to really realize what he did, he would completely shatter from that realization I think
Owning up to the truth would mean the giving RK a new meaning..it would mean that the woman whom he had wanted to change, mould, shatter had done the same things to him, and she had survived the whole thing without  a scratch...it would mean that the Right Kameena was not so right after all...
Maybe that is why the writers keep him swinging in b/w...not letting the realization fully happen...
I am not minding the pace...it is the right pace...he cannot have a sudden realization..that would be THE end...what would be left for the story...and the whole Sultan track would be redundant...
The kind of mistakes he's made, the way he's treated Madhu, he deserves to feel the pain of loss badly too...and destiny likes to laugh at him by taking things away from him even as he goes about playing God.

Somewhere this is a game b/w RK and his destiny too.hmmm Bhagwan and RK ko peeeth nahi dikhaate...RK is a great believer of destiny and Karma..he does like to keep the right balances and hisaab kitaab...it is only with this woman that he messed his accounts with...and now suddenly he is faced with a no assset all liabilities balance sheet.LOL


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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:14pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by AreYaar

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It makes him complex and confused but not layered...layered falls into different aspect...just because he does unexpected things, doesnot make him layered...well as per me that is...may be my 'layered definition' differsLOL LOL this seems like a hopeless discussion...we just view this completely differently...guess we should let it go.

 If he is not callous then who is..LOL the man rejoiced in her pain as well...that makes him twisted.. He is callous and MORE...that was my point...that there isn't just one label you can stick on him.

Oh he is not the ostrich...i was calling Radhaji the ostrich...LOL his selfishness is driven by his ego...when he sheds them both...I guess we will see the deeper side of RK...I know that means delayering him of his two prime facets...but then that is how layered characters are made...LOL LOL ok ji, I'll just bow to your superior knowledge on the subject of layering then...main nasamjh itna nahin jaan sakti



hahah now that is not fair...I always like discussing with you because we can discuss till the last breath...but I guess you are right..we should each take a bow at each others' superior knowledge and bow out of this match for today atleastLOL

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Srushti-

True that ...hehas to na...that is how the character development will happen...Like it was just RK in the first phase..then MAdhu entered and she somehow made space for herself in his life...and eventually even when he kicked her out;..she remained like a persistent termite, eating his life and soul...LOL
And THAT moment...that fear..the moment of panic when he realizes that he would have to answer those questions...was epic!! The way he almost gulped before saying no no no...very good projection... a scene well written and executed...She does jolt him out of his peacefully arrogant existence into something that wont let him rest...he so likes to predict her..and fails EVERY single time..just like he thought she would break after his rejection..she rises and takes up the challenge of living...just like he thought she would be ecstatic to recieve his attention ...she just about turns around and colours the poor gangster who does not know the ABCD of this maddening relationshipLOL Just when he thinks that she is about to back down and answer his questions, she questions him back and that too by catching his collar...the guy is into whole lot of roller coaster ride aheadLOL Ok MAYBE I'm starting to understand what you're looking for now...you want DEVELOPMENT cuz THAT will constitute LAYERING for you, correct?

[email protected] Madhu remaining a persistent termite...I just love the play of irony in all this for RK...the gamer who got played in his own game...hahaha...which reminds me of that dialogue of Madhu's from last week..."Tum mujhe nahin chhod paaye...tumne mujhe pakad rakha hai"...that was another home truth for RK...his own conscience trying to get through to him but I wonder how much it managedLOLLOL

And yes he PANICKED today...lol and that was HILARIOUS...seeing HIM that off-balance is always so amusing...he always thinks he has Madhu figured but she manages to catch him off-guard when he least expects it...she's the ONLY person with the power to put him on the backfootLOLLOL



Owning up to the truth would mean the giving RK a new meaning..it would mean that the woman whom he had wanted to change, mould, shatter had done the same things to him, and she had survived the whole thing without  a scratch...it would mean that the Right Kameena was not so right after all...He's kinda already admitted this much to Sultan...remember the car scene? LOL when he's drunk, sach uchhal uchhal ke baahar aata haiLOLLOL...that Madhu survived his biggest revenge and instead HE'S the one in so much pain...he cannot come to terms with that yet.

Maybe that is why the writers keep him swinging in b/w...not letting the realization fully happen...
I am not minding the pace...it is the right pace...he cannot have a sudden realization..that would be THE end...what would be left for the story...and the whole Sultan track would be redundant...Oh I'm not saying the realization should be sudden...heck no...I lose interest when all threads are tied anyways...but I'm saying that is why the writers keep him in this state where he's unable to understand himself...cuz it gives them more room to play around with stuff.


Somewhere this is a game b/w RK and his destiny too.hmmm Bhagwan and RK ko peeeth nahi dikhaate...RK is a great believer of destiny and Karma..he does like to keep the right balances and hisaab kitaab...it is only with this woman that he messed his accounts with...and now suddenly he is faced with a no assset all liabilities balance sheet.LOL Everyone has to meet their match sooner or later...lol and for RK that was Madhu...RK likes to play games with destiny...challenge destiny...while Madhu without even TRYING manages to rewrite his whole destiny...why else would he be SO obsessed with her? LOL

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:36pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Srushti-

hahah now that is not fair...I always like discussing with you because we can discuss till the last breath...but I guess you are right..we should each take a bow at each others' superior knowledge and bow out of this match for today atleastLOL


Awww lol you mean like RK neither of us can let the other have the last word?LOLLOL...LOL I enjoy discussing with you too, Srush...I just meant ki since neither of us were seeing the other's point, we should let it be...but I think based on your previous post, I might be starting to see your point now...

You're saying that there needs to be some sort of development, some CHANGE in RK's character for the layering to manifest itself?  A new phase, perhaps? That I can kinda understand.

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by amrithas

Today I am glad to say I liked Sultan, if a character has been introduced it should be given some meat and today Sultan got it! I liked his back story bcoz it did not sound like a sob story, but some facts of his life which he has accepted and made a choice! One up for Sultan today!

He doesn't know why he's chasing after her, I say he knows it  very well! He almost blurted it out too, till his jaap of Nahin, Nahin started again! Takes me back to the night in the village when they were about to consummate! But hats off to Madhu for backing him into a corner today, that's what she should have done earlier too!

Precap: I wasn't expecting Dips to be the one to show RK the mirror, but I'll take it! Crunch time now, let us all know why we should believe he's different from Dips! 

Sultan wins brownie points before making an exit from the chawl.  He reveals from his story that criminals are made, not born (Meta Discussion Topic???), admits he is glad that Aryan did not grow beyond his years, secures Aryan's future with MB and is back to his business, it seems.  No apologies and no excuses for what he is and none needed. S is good in small doses but not when the entire episode focus is on the gangster track. Direction, action and what not goes haywire at that point.  Make no mistake, he will be back in the show. We have yet to hear about Aryan's mother.

Agree with your analysis - I too felt RK was almost at a point of blurting out the answers but checks himself in time. He is holding back something.  First with Rji and now with MB, every time pertinent questions are asked of him, he looks down and walks away.  The clue to the answers might be in what he is NOT saying.

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:49pm | IP Logged
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Agree with your analysis - I too felt RK was almost at a point of blurting out the answers but checks himself in time. He is holding back something.  First with Rji and now with MB, every time pertinent questions are asked of him, he looks down and walks away.  The clue to the answers might be in what he is NOT saying.



You mean he is holding back himself and not confessing for some reason? Shocked This sounds interesting. What might that be? Confused I am pretty sure he is aware of his feelings for her.

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 2:49pm | IP Logged
Back? I doubt Sultan will be missing from even one epi...lol...He's just leaving the chawl for now...but this underworld track will continue on the side I guess.

The writers have very DETERMINEDLY even in today's epi shown two parallel tracks...the RK-Madhu equation and the Sultan-Madhu equation...where one leaves, the other shows up for MadhuLOL

As seen previously also, it hardly takes Madhu the blink of an eye to land up at Sultan's place...lol...so now that he's leaving, she'll go visit him on and off I guess.

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Posted: 06 April 2013 at 3:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by AreYaar



As seen previously also, it hardly takes Madhu the blink of an eye to land up at Sultan's place...lol...so now that he's leaving, she'll go visit him on and off I guess.


@AreYaar: Would it be so easy for her, if she is back in RK mansion? RK surely won't approve of this nonsense and would hit the roof. And if she sneaks out under his nose to meet Sultan, it would be very distasteful for viewers like me.

I do feel, Sultan is sidelined for now. If they want to show RK and Madhu together again, it has to be really convincing. Not with the same round of bickering. hatred as it was before. Where does Sultan fit in all this?


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