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I am a huge "Mahabharata" fan, so anyone who are very interested in pouring out thoughts regarding post-war of the Mahabharata, a huge warm welcome to them!!!!

Also, if the mods can start a new thread regarding the "Mahabharata" would be really appreciated!!!!

RJ

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Originally posted by RJ1234

I am a huge "Mahabharata" fan, so anyone who are very interested in pouring out thoughts regarding post-war of the Mahabharata, a huge warm welcome to them!!!!

Also, if the mods can start a new thread regarding the "Mahabharata" would be really appreciated!!!!

RJ

Actually there is one already here


It was started in the DBSK forum and when the channel shut shop, the thread was moved here. You can go thru the past discussions and post your thoughts there. 

There are two more related threads (currently locked, but we can ask Lola to unlock them)


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@Varali: You are simply awesome!!!! Thanks :)


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@Varali: I was thinking that may be you can help me to close this thread, so that I can re post my "Mahabharata" post war thread into that   http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1915671

Also, I think if we have only one thread that's awesome, we don't need many!!!!

Thanks once again!!!!

RJ

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Hello I-F members,

May God bless us all!!!!

 Om Namoh Ganapataye Namah!!!!

 After a long time, I am penning down on I-F, and every time I visit I-F, I find it like a homecoming feeling. Today, I would like to post on the "Mahabharata post-war" and esp, to the successor of the Pandavas, the Kurus and the Yadavas. My source of information has been the internet and the T.V. i.e. Wikis, "Mahabharata", "Srimad Bhagavatam", "Devi Bhagwat", and of course from the late B.R. Chopra's "Mahabharat", "Mahabharat Katha" & the late Ramanand Sagar's "Shri Krishna"

 *Please note that it's not necessary that all of my information is correct, because even most of the mythological books that we have, they tell the same stories, but in a different version.

 So, a big question is that who survived the Mahabharata war?

 From the Panadavas side:  Five Pandavas, Krishna, Satyaki,  and Yuyutsu.

Actually, where was Yuyutsu that night?  Krishna advised the Pandavas not to stay in their camp, and they and Satyaki stayed away.  Everyone else slept in the Pandava camp and were massacred, but where was Yuyutsu?  RS-SK showed Yudhisthir as asking him to escort the Kaurava womenfolk back to Hastinapur, but is that mentioned anywhere in any of the versions?

From the Kurus side: Ashwatthama, Sage Kripa, Kritavarma, Vrishakethu

In the Pandava Parivar thread that Vaarali referenced, I asked this there as well - was Vrishaketu actually a combatant, or a non-combatant who was too young to fight, but who was there w/ his father, brothers & uncles?  For had he been a combatant, he too would have had to accompany Ashwathama, Kripa & Kritavarma in the Sauptika massacre - did he?  Had he done that, I can't imagine the Pandavas reconciling w/ him in that situation. 

Another question is that who are successor from each dynasty?

 -Parikshit: A grandson of Arjuna and Subhadra, and a son of Abhimanyu and Uttara. He was made the king of Hastinapura

-Yuyutsu:  A son of Dhitarastha with a Vaishya woman named Sauvali. He was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survie the Mahabharata war. It's believed that he shited to the Pandavas side just before the war. After that Yuyutsu was appointed as a guardian to the king Parikshita. Now, here's a different version of the story, somewhere I read was that Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha.

I have seen another account that Yuyutsu was made the mayor of Hastinapur after Yudhisthir himself became king.  But Parikshit was not entrusted to him - he was entrusted to Subhadra.

-Vajra: A great grandson of the Lord Krishna and Rukmini, a grandson of Pradhymna and Rukmavati, and a son of Aniruddha and Usha. After the destruction of the Yadavas due to the curse from Gadhari and from the sages, Lord Krishna and Balarama left this earth, and went to their adobe, Vaikuntha. Arjuna came to Dwarka and took the remaining Yadavas and the Yadavas' wives to Hastinapura. After that Dwarka got submerged into the sea. On the way, Arjuna was attacked by the robbers. Arjuna fought with them, but noone of his great divine weapons worked at that time, and the robbers were successful to rob the gold, other valuable items and some of the Yadavas' women (mostly of the Vrishni and the Andhaka dynasty). Arjuna, then established the son of Kritavarman in the city of Marttikavat with the remnant of the women of the Bhoja King, as well as, Arjuna installed the son of Satyaki, Asanga, the king of the territory near the Saraswati river, and handed over to his care many of the old men and women of Dwarka. Then, Arjuna appointed Vajra, a king of Mathura. (The capital of the Surasena kingdom was Mathura). Now, here's another version of the story is that Vajra was appointed a king of Indraprastha. Note:  I wonder which one is true, Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha, or a king of Mathura at Indraprastha, or Yuyutsu was appointed as a ruler of Indraprastha, or he was made a guardian of the king Pariksht

When the Pandavas retired, both Parikshit & Vajra were entrusted to Subhadra's care by Yudhisthir (I can cite the reference in the other Mahabharata thread).  Also, I've wondered about Indraprastha myself, b'cos in RC Majumdar, I've read that the descendents of Parikshit moved their capital from Hastinapur to Indraprastha.  So what probably happened was that Vajra was coronated in Hastinapur, and then moved on to Mathura, while Parikshit got both Hastinapur and Indraprastha.

Thanks for giving me Satyaki's son's name.  We discussed this in the DBSK forum a bit - that the Yadavas were actually a coalition of Vrishnis, Andhakas, Satwatas and Bhojas, and during Krishna's lifetime, were held together due to the influence of Krishna.  But the undercurrent of differences b/w these sub tribes were always there, and erupted in that fratricide that destroyed at least 2 generations of them.  So after bringing them out of Dwarka, Arjun probably decided it best to partition them and give them all their different kingdoms.  Kritavarma's son - probably Krishna's son-in-law Bali - got Martikavat and the Bhojas/Andhakas stayed w/ him, Asanga got his kingdom (what was the name of that city/province?) along w/ the Satwatas, while Vajra got left w/ the Vrishnis.

-Vrishketu: A son of Karna. His eight brothers died in the battle of the Mahabharata. He was the only one survived. Later, he became very attached to the Pandavas esp. to Arjuna. He assisted Arjuna and Bheema in the Ashwamedha Yagna. It's believed that Babrubavana killed Vrisketu during the Ashwamedga Yagna, when the horse reached Manipura. He was later brought back into life by the Lord Krishna. We don't know a lot about him post Ashwamedha Yagna, but I guess, it makes more sense that he became a king of the Anga Kingdom, since his father (Karna) was a king of the Anga Desh.

He is mentioned only in the Jaimineya Mahabharata - the Vaisapayana or Sukhdev accounts have no mention of him.  Also, Karna had 4 sons who died in the war - and another who was killed @ Draupadi's swayamvar.  All mentioned in the Pandava parivar thread.

 For more info: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m17/m17001.htm

 Some other characters:

 -Babruvahana: A son of Arjuna and Chitrangada. He fought with his father during the Ashwamedha Yagna. Due to the curse from the mata Ganga, Babruvahana slain his father in the war, but later, Ulupi, Arjuna's another wife, who was a naag kanya, with the help from the gem, she brought Arjuna back into the life. After that Babruvahana continued to rule the kingdom of Manipura.

He went on to attend the yagna w/ Uloopi & Chitrangada, and after the war, he left Uloopi and Chitrangada w/ Arjun.  When the Pandavas decided to retire, Chitrangada returned to him, Uloopi returned to Nagalok while the other wives of the Pandavas - Subhadra, Karenamati and others as well as Uttara stayed on w/ Parikshit.

-Meghavarna: A son of Ghatothkach and Maurvi, and  a younger brother of Barbareek. He assisted Vrishketu during the Ashwamedha Yagna.

What happened to Subhadra and Uttara afer Five Pandav and Draupadi went for their final journey?

 Nothing has been said about them too much, but we can imagine that both Subhadra and Uttara stayed at Hasinapura to take care of Parikshit.

The Mahabharata clearly has it that Yudhisthir left both Parikshit & Vajra in the care of Subhadra

 What happened to the Lord Krishna's wives?

 -After the death of the Lord Krishna, Rukmini, Jambavati and few became sati, while Satyabhama and many other queens of Lord Krishna entered the forest to practice austerities. Note: It's not cleared about remaining 16100 wives of the Lord Krishna.  

Those 16,100 wives were said to have drowned themselves in the river Saraswati.  Satyabhama, Lakshmanaa and one more wife of Krishna retired to a place called Kalpa, in the Himalayas.  Note that in SB, all the Yadava womenfolk committed Sati in Dwarka itself, and Arjun & Bhima went to heaven directly from there - the Pandavas were not together in that one.

 Who is Revati?

Revati was a wife of the Lord Balarama. Balarama and Revati had two sons: Nisatha and Ulmuka. Both her sons Nisatha and Ulmuka were killed in the Yadu fratricidal war. Revati became sati after the death of the Lord Balarama,  by ascending  onto his funeral pyre.

Actually, the Mahabharat and SB have conflicting accounts about the end of the Yadavas.  Everything you wrote before this was from the Mahabharata, whereas Balarama's end, you are recounting from SB.  In SB, the carnage randomly started, whereas in MB, it started as a result of an argument b/w Satyaki & Kritavarma.  In SB, both Balarama's & Krishna's bodies were found, and cremated, and ALL their wives committed sati on their pyre.  In MB, Arjun never found either Balarama's nor Krishna's bodies, since the devas had taken them to Vaikuntha; therefore, Arjun assumed that they were dead and performed their obsequies.  Unlike in SB, Krishna's womenfolk, including his wives, accompanied Arjun to Indraprastha, and on the way, they were attacked by dacoits and a lot of the Yadava maidens were abducted and taken away, and the entire contingent was robbed, and Arjun failed to defeat those bandits.  Then after they arrived in Indraprastha, Vajra was crowned king, and after that, some of Krishna's wives, like Rukmini & Jambavati committed sati, some like Satyabhama went into exile and the 16,100 drowned themselves in the Saraswati river.  In SB, Arjun & Bhima followed Krishna to Vaikuntha, whereas in MB, the Pandavas all went and died one by one, and Yudhisthir had his final test in Yamalok.

Jaya Shree Krishna!!!! Hare Krisha!!! Hare Rama!!!!

 

 

 

 



Edited by .Vrish. - 11 March 2013 at 2:52am

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Originally posted by RJ1234

@Varali: I was thinking that may be you can help me to close this thread, so that I can re post my "Mahabharata" post war thread into that   http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1915671

Also, I think if we have only one thread that's awesome, we don't need many!!!!

Thanks once again!!!!

RJ

You can either ask Lola to merge these 2 threads, or just use either one.  If the Mahabharat serial ever starts, these threads - including the ones about the Pandavas and Krishna - can be moved there.

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I will continue on the next thread...


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Originally posted by .Vrish.

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Originally posted by RJ1234

Hello I-F members,

May God bless us all!!!!

 Om Namoh Ganapataye Namah!!!!

 After a long time, I am penning down on I-F, and every time I visit I-F, I find it like a homecoming feeling. Today, I would like to post on the "Mahabharata post-war" and esp, to the successor of the Pandavas, the Kurus and the Yadavas. My source of information has been the internet and the T.V. i.e. Wikis, "Mahabharata", "Srimad Bhagavatam", "Devi Bhagwat", and of course from the late B.R. Chopra's "Mahabharat", "Mahabharat Katha" & the late Ramanand Sagar's "Shri Krishna"

 *Please note that it's not necessary that all of my information is correct, because even most of the mythological books that we have, they tell the same stories, but in a different version.

 So, a big question is that who survived the Mahabharata war?

 From the Panadavas side:  Five Pandavas, Krishna, Satyaki,  and Yuyutsu.

Actually, where was Yuyutsu that night?  Krishna advised the Pandavas not to stay in their camp, and they and Satyaki stayed away.  Everyone else slept in the Pandava camp and were massacred, but where was Yuyutsu?  RS-SK showed Yudhisthir as asking him to escort the Kaurava womenfolk back to Hastinapur, but is that mentioned anywhere in any of the versions?

From the Kurus side: Ashwatthama, Sage Kripa, Kritavarma, Vrishakethu

In the Pandava Parivar thread that Vaarali referenced, I asked this there as well - was Vrishaketu actually a combatant, or a non-combatant who was too young to fight, but who was there w/ his father, brothers & uncles?  For had he been a combatant, he too would have had to accompany Ashwathama, Kripa & Kritavarma in the Sauptika massacre - did he?  Had he done that, I can't imagine the Pandavas reconciling w/ him in that situation. 

Another question is that who are successor from each dynasty?

 -Parikshit: A grandson of Arjuna and Subhadra, and a son of Abhimanyu and Uttara. He was made the king of Hastinapura

-Yuyutsu:  A son of Dhitarastha with a Vaishya woman named Sauvali. He was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survie the Mahabharata war. It's believed that he shited to the Pandavas side just before the war. After that Yuyutsu was appointed as a guardian to the king Parikshita. Now, here's a different version of the story, somewhere I read was that Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha.

I have seen another account that Yuyutsu was made the mayor of Hastinapur after Yudhisthir himself became king.  But Parikshit was not entrusted to him - he was entrusted to Subhadra.

-Vajra: A great grandson of the Lord Krishna and Rukmini, a grandson of Pradhymna and Rukmavati, and a son of Aniruddha and Usha. After the destruction of the Yadavas due to the curse from Gadhari and from the sages, Lord Krishna and Balarama left this earth, and went to their adobe, Vaikuntha. Arjuna came to Dwarka and took the remaining Yadavas and the Yadavas' wives to Hastinapura. After that Dwarka got submerged into the sea. On the way, Arjuna was attacked by the robbers. Arjuna fought with them, but noone of his great divine weapons worked at that time, and the robbers were successful to rob the gold, other valuable items and some of the Yadavas' women (mostly of the Vrishni and the Andhaka dynasty). Arjuna, then established the son of Kritavarman in the city of Marttikavat with the remnant of the women of the Bhoja King, as well as, Arjuna installed the son of Satyaki, Asanga, the king of the territory near the Saraswati river, and handed over to his care many of the old men and women of Dwarka. Then, Arjuna appointed Vajra, a king of Mathura. (The capital of the Surasena kingdom was Mathura). Now, here's another version of the story is that Vajra was appointed a king of Indraprastha. Note:  I wonder which one is true, Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha, or a king of Mathura at Indraprastha, or Yuyutsu was appointed as a ruler of Indraprastha, or he was made a guardian of the king Pariksht

When the Pandavas retired, both Parikshit & Vajra were entrusted to Subhadra's care by Yudhisthir (I can cite the reference in the other Mahabharata thread).  Also, I've wondered about Indraprastha myself, b'cos in RC Majumdar, I've read that the descendents of Parikshit moved their capital from Hastinapur to Indraprastha.  So what probably happened was that Vajra was coronated in Hastinapur, and then moved on to Mathura, while Parikshit got both Hastinapur and Indraprastha.

Thanks for giving me Satyaki's son's name.  We discussed this in the DBSK forum a bit - that the Yadavas were actually a coalition of Vrishnis, Andhakas, Satwatas and Bhojas, and during Krishna's lifetime, were held together due to the influence of Krishna.  But the undercurrent of differences b/w these sub tribes were always there, and erupted in that fratricide that destroyed at least 2 generations of them.  So after bringing them out of Dwarka, Arjun probably decided it best to partition them and give them all their different kingdoms.  Kritavarma's son - probably Krishna's son-in-law Bali - got Martikavat and the Bhojas/Andhakas stayed w/ him, Asanga got his kingdom (what was the name of that city/province?) along w/ the Satwatas, while Vajra got left w/ the Vrishnis.

-Vrishketu: A son of Karna. His eight brothers died in the battle of the Mahabharata. He was the only one survived. Later, he became very attached to the Pandavas esp. to Arjuna. He assisted Arjuna and Bheema in the Ashwamedha Yagna. It's believed that Babrubavana killed Vrisketu during the Ashwamedga Yagna, when the horse reached Manipura. He was later brought back into life by the Lord Krishna. We don't know a lot about him post Ashwamedha Yagna, but I guess, it makes more sense that he became a king of the Anga Kingdom, since his father (Karna) was a king of the Anga Desh.

He is mentioned only in the Jaimineya Mahabharata - the Vaisapayana or Sukhdev accounts have no mention of him.  Also, Karna had 4 sons who died in the war - and another who was killed @ Draupadi's swayamvar.  All mentioned in the Pandava parivar thread.

 For more info: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m17/m17001.htm

 Some other characters:

 -Babruvahana: A son of Arjuna and Chitrangada. He fought with his father during the Ashwamedha Yagna. Due to the curse from the mata Ganga, Babruvahana slain his father in the war, but later, Ulupi, Arjuna's another wife, who was a naag kanya, with the help from the gem, she brought Arjuna back into the life. After that Babruvahana continued to rule the kingdom of Manipura.

He went on to attend the yagna w/ Uloopi & Chitrangada, and after the war, he left Uloopi and Chitrangada w/ Arjun.  When the Pandavas decided to retire, Chitrangada returned to him, Uloopi returned to Nagalok while the other wives of the Pandavas - Subhadra, Karenamati and others as well as Uttara stayed on w/ Parikshit.

-Meghavarna: A son of Ghatothkach and Maurvi, and  a younger brother of Barbareek. He assisted Vrishketu during the Ashwamedha Yagna.

What happened to Subhadra and Uttara afer Five Pandav and Draupadi went for their final journey?

 Nothing has been said about them too much, but we can imagine that both Subhadra and Uttara stayed at Hasinapura to take care of Parikshit.

The Mahabharata clearly has it that Yudhisthir left both Parikshit & Vajra in the care of Subhadra

 What happened to the Lord Krishna's wives?

 -After the death of the Lord Krishna, Rukmini, Jambavati and few became sati, while Satyabhama and many other queens of Lord Krishna entered the forest to practice austerities. Note: It's not cleared about remaining 16100 wives of the Lord Krishna.  

Those 16,100 wives were said to have drowned themselves in the river Saraswati.  Satyabhama, Lakshmanaa and one more wife of Krishna retired to a place called Kalpa, in the Himalayas.  Note that in SB, all the Yadava womenfolk committed Sati in Dwarka itself, and Arjun & Bhima went to heaven directly from there - the Pandavas were not together in that one.

 Who is Revati?

Revati was a wife of the Lord Balarama. Balarama and Revati had two sons: Nisatha and Ulmuka. Both her sons Nisatha and Ulmuka were killed in the Yadu fratricidal war. Revati became sati after the death of the Lord Balarama,  by ascending  onto his funeral pyre.

Actually, the Mahabharat and SB have conflicting accounts about the end of the Yadavas.  Everything you wrote before this was from the Mahabharata, whereas Balarama's end, you are recounting from SB.  In SB, the carnage randomly started, whereas in MB, it started as a result of an argument b/w Satyaki & Kritavarma.  In SB, both Balarama's & Krishna's bodies were found, and cremated, and ALL their wives committed sati on their pyre.  In MB, Arjun never found either Balarama's nor Krishna's bodies, since the devas had taken them to Vaikuntha; therefore, Arjun assumed that they were dead and performed their obsequies.  Unlike in SB, Krishna's womenfolk, including his wives, accompanied Arjun to Indraprastha, and on the way, they were attacked by dacoits and a lot of the Yadava maidens were abducted and taken away, and the entire contingent was robbed, and Arjun failed to defeat those bandits.  Then after they arrived in Indraprastha, Vajra was crowned king, and after that, some of Krishna's wives, like Rukmini & Jambavati committed sati, some like Satyabhama went into exile and the 16,100 drowned themselves in the Saraswati river.  In SB, Arjun & Bhima followed Krishna to Vaikuntha, whereas in MB, the Pandavas all went and died one by one, and Yudhisthir had his final test in Yamalok.

Jaya Shree Krishna!!!! Hare Krisha!!! Hare Rama!!!!

 

 

 

 



@Vrish: Thanks for the beautiful insight. Yes, you are absolutely right!!! I think it would be so much better if we simply continue any discussions  or topics regarding the Mahabharata all in one thread. The following thread which was started by Varali:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1915671
From now on, any topics or the discussions regarding the Mahabharata, I would post on that thread.

Regard,

RJ

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