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King-Anu

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 7:49am | IP Logged

1) Education is the key. An educated couple will realize that they should produce whom they can support. This is usually 2 kids instead of 5+. This is the primary issue

2) Then there is a side issue. What to do with those who are techincally educated but behave like uneducated i.e not reasonable. Such characters

a- prefer boy over girl

b- treat boys as money making machine

c- and to continue their legacy, parampara, lineage and glorious past forward.

Now because of above and in search of boys some abort girls while those who consider abortion as a crime and non moral act continue to hope for boys and in that process end up with 5-6 innocent girls followed by veer himself. lol.

Now I have no idea how to deal with this lot. I think this will change with time.

Edited by King-Anu - 25 February 2013 at 7:50am

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 9:33am | IP Logged

7 kids in the family translates to 7 potential votes.

1 kid in the family translates to only one potential voter (notwithstanding the campaigning capabilities of a single person )

Who do you think are going to be pampered by the potential vote gatherers? More the ignorance level amongst the voters easier is the campaigning during elections.

Edited by _Angie_ - 25 February 2013 at 9:37am

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Originally posted by -Aarya-

So basically if people keep them self busy with entertainment they won't have sex LOL

Depends on what sort of entertainment you have in mind . How about getting them hooked on to bollywood section of IF?

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 2:49pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by --arti--

Check this out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15449959

I think this article sort of provides a general overview and some of the complexity of this debate.

Meanwhile, Paul Ehrlich has also amended his view of the issue.

If he were to write his book today, "I wouldn't focus on the poverty-stricken masses", he told the BBC.

"I would focus on there being too many rich people. It's crystal clear that we can't support seven billion people in the style of the wealthier Americans."

Also: it sounds like your co-workers are pretty ignorant. Sorry, but if their question to you is "what is wrong with you guys," it's pretty clear they are not really asking for your opinion, but are more interested in advancing their narrow, racist ideas.

ofcourse everyone at work is ignorant

.. that makes me smartest

Im equally racist towards them so never got offended

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 2:51pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by .Baazigar.

((I just mention one of the root cause of population, thats poverty...,now we can say india is one of the fast developing nations n the world...nw situation changing...but if we check 30/40 years before, how many TV channels shows serials in india,how many have their own TV,Radio,Cars n other music system at their homes...!?! there is no 3g,FB or twitter,no other fun things there to kill their time...all poking games happen at home only...population not happend in one day thats why I mention poor countries increase population))

As per socrates We should question everything :)

For a moment we agree with both poor countries, sex, lack of entertainment logic than

1. India added 20 crores population on 100 crore in last decade since 2000 in its kitty , when ample amount of entertainment option is there.

2. No i am not in this loop of fast developing nation or 3rd largest gdp etc. I consider what is human development index growth. Regarding poverty yes it is one of the factor but i feel contrary in the decision making in the number of children of a poor parents plays combination of culture,environment, awareness and economy so also the same impact is there among the rich and middle class family only without the economy factor.

3. IDEA did ad. campaign with Abhishek Bachan that population explode because people engage in sex so lets engage them in 3g entertainment :)

Now the basic question is :

Do child birth happen by repeated and frequent sex only?

Sex leads to population or unsafe sex - unplanned leads to population?

we will get the answer from the above 2 question.

Funny one:

actually frequent and repeated sex does improve sperm count and helps in conceiving faster!

Edited by lonely0planet - 25 February 2013 at 2:56pm

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I think the explanation that people have too many kids because they are ignorant is simplistic. Obviously sex education and general access to resources is helpful, but what about factors like high child mortality rates? Even in today's world, there are babies and kids who die from treatable illnesses. It's not uncommon for families in rural areas to try to have many kids because it's not a sure thing that all will survive. Children are also extra labour around the house/farm, etc. So there is a case to be made by some, especially in trying circumstances, that there is good economic sense to having plenty of children.

Again - I think rather than ask "how can we reduce population," maybe the question should be, "why are so many people in the world living with so little, while the wealthiest (who have the most messed up consumption habits anyway - using up multiple times the resources of the "have-nots") live completely unchecked, greedy lives. Isn't it pretty sad that the most powerful have produced and sustained ideologies so powerful that actually makes us talk about human lives (especially poor people) the way we talk about pest control or something..

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Posted: 02 March 2013 at 11:10pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by --arti--

I think the explanation that people have too many kids because they are ignorant is simplistic. Obviously sex education and general access to resources is helpful, but what about factors like high child mortality rates? Even in today's world, there are babies and kids who die from treatable illnesses. It's not uncommon for families in rural areas to try to have many kids because it's not a sure thing that all will survive. Children are also extra labour around the house/farm, etc. So there is a case to be made by some, especially in trying circumstances, that there is good economic sense to having plenty of children.

Again - I think rather than ask "how can we reduce population," maybe the question should be, "why are so many people in the world living with so little, while the wealthiest (who have the most messed up consumption habits anyway - using up multiple times the resources of the "have-nots") live completely unchecked, greedy lives. Isn't it pretty sad that the most powerful have produced and sustained ideologies so powerful that actually makes us talk about human lives (especially poor people) the way we talk about pest control or something..

This is a brilliant comment and one I completely agree with.

There needs to be sex education, of course. But the point you make about the disproportionate resources available to the wealthy compared to the poor is certainly one of the causes. I love this line because it's so damn true:

'Isn't it pretty sad that the most powerful have produced and sustained ideologies so powerful that actually makes us talk about human lives (especially poor people) the way we talk about pest control or something.'

One problem India and perhaps certain cultures suffer from is the patriarchal aspect of society - especially in poorer, rural areas that are more traditional and for whom dowries are a real problem. Having girls means mouths to feed and, despite how hard working they are, it also means paying to marry them off. People try and try again to have male children as they provide labour, bring home money, don't cost anything to marry off and also mean a certain elevation among one's peers. Families with only girls are treated with pity and disdain and this isn't even isolated to the poorer classes.

If we are going to think about population control then we have to make people aware of sex education and also make them understand that having a girl isn't a bad thing. We have to eradicate this concept of dowry and address gender inequality issues that stem from the dowry system also other cultural mores.

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@moomin - I agree that when we tackle issues like this, we have to look at all aspects, including patriarchy and have more social-based solutions.

Originally posted by .Baazigar.

All these issues are interlinked , instead of excuse these issues should be cater simultaneously. Population of India now 4 times what it was in 60 years back. Population growth definitely put pressure on the natural resources , food, housing, water, transportation, distribution of wealth and resources, employment.

I agree, baazigar. The only thing I would say is that I actually don't think it puts that much pressure on natural resources. I think those who hoard (and violate or prevent environmental regulations through powerful lobbying (giant companies like Walmart, multinationals that control Special Economic Zones) etc. put the most pressure on natural resources. Also - global north overconsumption habits - fuel, hydro, generating garbage you name it - put pressure on natural resources.

I think poor people in the global south actually manage with so little resources, and become the basis for most industries (as cheap labour, of course). So they are in fact, in cold terms, living in the most efficient way, taking up the least amount of space. They are also the ones dealing with the problems caused by the rest of us. And yet we talk about them as if they are the problem.

Edited by --arti-- - 03 March 2013 at 6:34am

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