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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 1:23pm | IP Logged
((Coming back to the problem, so what do you think
-is the root cause? is it still a few states who are largely resposible than all? why?
is it still desire to have a male child and poverty?
is it illegal immigration from the porous borders of Nepal, Bangladesh etc?
do indians love sex too much.. Times had india on the #1 where sex is done in the shortest time.. 13 minutes to be precise.?))

I differ with your points 

It is over all country problem and not about any specific state contribution, population explosion is not based on states. Agree few northern states contribute a little bit more in proportion to others but those are because of general reason only not specific.
I dont think male child is an issue in this current era. People just kill female foetus . just check the statistics of male female child ratio.
Nothing to do immigration at present may be a small percentage in past , I think it is best thing is to blame your neighbor syndrome and nothing else. What is the population of Banladesh and Nepal ? you will get the answer there.
May be sex is also not an issue here, the issue is safe sex.

Regarding reason i feel :

1. There is no proper strict policy from government side , which should be must and main priority to control population. They just give some benefit to 2 child policy and rest is ram bharose like people themselves prefer to have small family due to high cost of living and inflation.

2. Sometime lack of awareness , education also play role like safe sex, benefit of small familiy size etc.

3. forget about poor, even middle educated class also try to have more child , which happens when society slowly becomes self centered. Here comes lack of regulation.

4. There is very rare awareness by media or any mediums. In India all media , serials , movies everything now considered as business and their one and only motive is profit. so they neglect and never highlight these kind of issues. In fact market like more population as it leads to consumption.

5. Lack of urgency regarding problem among people. In simple sentence NO ONE CARE. simple we are now like living in a situation where our left hand dont know what right hand is doing. Simple in this IF people have enough energy for their fantasy filled serial actors but how many topic you have saw on a drastic issue like :

Maharashtra: Three young sisters raped, murdered, dumped in well
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/maharashtra-three-young-sisters-raped-murdered-dumped-in-well/1076601/

The reason giving the above example is the same fan girls raise as much voice as on the issue  of Delhi but forget after few days. Why ? simple when anyone strongly feel it affect him or her or the place he live on that time he or she raise the voice which shows we dont think for the society at large by forgetting he or she is a part of society . Although may be the above link is not fair argument but still i feel strongly on this argument. So only way to deal with population explosion is government initiative and than creating awareness among people.
  


Edited by .Baazigar. - 24 February 2013 at 1:31pm

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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 3:12pm | IP Logged
It's a bit of a red herring because there are in fact enough resources in India (and in the world) for everyone to live a decent life, with some standards of health, education and economic access. The problem isn't that there are so many of us, but rather than wealth is so concentrated rather than redistributed in fair and equitable ways. Those who have wealth have the power to influence political processes and ensure that all political outcomes favour their hoarding. Just look at the Koch brothers in the U.S.

Many people believe that "population control" arguments actually distract from the root causes of poverty and injustice, which is more related to systemic inequalities that continue to become entrenched. In India, the state has tried to use it to decide who will and won't have babies, for example, (forced sterilization), rather than promoting social welfare programs and a system of governance that can meaningfully address inequality.


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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 3:22pm | IP Logged
Check this out:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15449959

I think this article sort of provides a general overview and some of the complexity of this debate.

Meanwhile, Paul Ehrlich has also amended his view of the issue.

If he were to write his book today, "I wouldn't focus on the poverty-stricken masses", he told the BBC.

"I would focus on there being too many rich people. It's crystal clear that we can't support seven billion people in the style of the wealthier Americans."

Also: it sounds like your co-workers are pretty ignorant. Sorry, but if their question to you is "what is wrong with you guys," it's pretty clear they are not really asking for your opinion, but are more interested in advancing their narrow, racist ideas.



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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 6:38pm | IP Logged

    How can we try and plan other people's families like that when we don't have our own to plan ?..Hahaha... LOL ..Unless we decide to become evil and crush a few million tonnes of pills of some kind ( each day ) and slyly add that to all water reservoirs ?..That should work until the women stop drinking water ...Tongue

   On a serious note : It doesn't surprise me if a 5000 year old nation is more populated than the ones that are only a few hundred or may be a 1000 year old ...I ain't saying the problem ain't real ..Cause I know it is..and it needs to be addressed...I wonder if something like stopping all social benefits if people go for the second child might help ?

  And then there are nations who need more people, Human resources you know..LOL..How about we helping such nations out a bit? Adding a few brainy ones that quite a few of us might wanna produce in the future? LOL <<Just kidding ...LOL

  Vintu ...Tongue

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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 10:26pm | IP Logged

We all know that poor countries increase population, richer countries decrease population,behind this there is some fundamental logic is there..poor countries dont have any entertainment other than sex,richer countries have lots of other entertainments there,so sex become secondry option for them..and secondly developed countries women are more liberated,educated and have lots of freedom., To control the population either drop the birthrate or raise the death rate... to bring an unnecessary child(3+ kids) into the world is far more a crime than killing a person... It is not a question of democracy, it is a question of survival...govt should bring some strong law in india to controll the overpopulation.



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((We all know that poor countries increase population, richer countries decrease population,behind this there is some fundamental logic is there..poor countries dont have any entertainment other than sex,richer countries have lots of other entertainments there,so sex become secondry option for them..))

It will be better if we argue on the basis of facts or else we will blame sex, neighbor country etc. :) Common we have less entertainment is a flawed logic , 1000 serials , nearly 800 news channel, 365 day cricket, movie industry in almost all south indian states and Bollywood . Only IDEA 3g will solve the problem .Have you any fact that in developed country people have less sexual life? than do the repeated sex only leads to child birth ? sex leads to population or unsafe sex  or unplanned leads to population?

In my view the major factor of high population is cultural , religious, literacy, awareness ,and economic factor.


Edited by .Baazigar. - 25 February 2013 at 4:15am

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 5:20am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Baazigar.

((We all know that poor countries increase population, richer countries decrease population,behind this there is some fundamental logic is there..poor countries dont have any entertainment other than sex,richer countries have lots of other entertainments there,so sex become secondry option for them..))

It will be better if we argue on the basis of facts or else we will blame sex, neighbor country etc. :) Common we have less entertainment is a flawed logic , 1000 serials , nearly 800 news channel, 365 day cricket, movie industry in almost all south indian states and Bollywood . Only IDEA 3g will solve the problem .Have you any fact that in developed country people have less sexual life? than do the repeated sex only leads to child birth ? sex leads to population or unsafe sex  or unplanned leads to population?
 
In my view the major factor of high population is cultural , religious, literacy, awareness ,and economic factor.
 
I just mention one of the root cause of population, thats poverty...,now we can say india is one of the fast developing nations n the world...nw situation changing...but if we check 30/40 years before, how many TV channels shows serials in india,how many have their own TV,Radio,Cars n other music system at their homes...!?! there is no 3g,FB or twitter, no other fun things there to kill their time...all poking games happen at home only...population not happend in one day thats why I mention poor countries increase population.Smile
 


Edited by Prometeus - 25 February 2013 at 5:34am

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