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Posted: 06 March 2013 at 2:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by moomin4455

1Mehak, 2Akbar was awesome - he has his faults as all emperors do. But he was tolerant of other religions and even formed his own religion too. 

But I do think culture or perception of culture is very much a part of a country being seen as a trendsetter. Look at China - it's economic growth is still incredibly fast. There is so much investment, but will China be a trendsetter in the near future? Not likely, because a lot of people in the West find its fusion of neo socialism and capitalism alien. There s still a crack down on civil liberties, still a human rights issue. 

Let's face it, the US is the trendsetter globally and has been for a several decades - maybe even more. Perhaps it's because a young country made of immigrants - it doesn't have a unified culture or identity ie it's not encumbered by age old traditions and culture like other countries. It certainly has it's faults, but in the US people are free to grumble, whine and protest vocally about issues. How many times has the government been criticized? Is there any threat of being taken in for questioning for 'treason' for the average moan about how crappy Republicans or Democrats are?

According to the image or perception of either countries, do people want to be 3 like Americans or like the Chinese? A lot of people would say they want to be like, or follow the lifestyle of the former. Is that right? Who knows!!

Disclaimer: yes I live in the States. No I am not American and nor am I an America-lover. To any Chinese individuals apologies if I caused offence but these are my opinions. LOL


same question to you if Akbar was awesome or not, were you born in that time? may be he was image conscious or tyrant and did not let anything negative get to the publication.. its simple right ? there was no free press..
are there only 2 countries in the world?


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Posted: 06 March 2013 at 5:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lonely0planet


one who is Mehak here Confused?
two same question to you if Akbar was awesome or not, were you born in that time? may be he was image conscious or tyrant and did not let anything negative get to the publication.. its simple right ? there was no free press..
three are there only 2 countries in the world? may be that's what they show in schools in US or wherever you were schooledWink
 
very depressing either way

1-Me LOL

2-I'm confused by your question...are you saying because we aren't present during a specific time in history, we shouldn't have opinions about events, places, people during said time? Or that we should take everything with a grain of salt..

And are you assuming what we're told today by the press is the truth in its entirety, if at all, with no filtering? Wishful thinking, I could use the real gossip for some laughs. LOL


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Posted: 06 March 2013 at 5:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by moomin4455

Mehak, Akbar was awesome - he has his faults as all emperors do. But he was tolerant of other religions and even formed his own religion too. 

But I do think culture or perception of culture is very much a part of a country being seen as a trendsetter. Look at China - it's economic growth is still incredibly fast. There is so much investment, but will China be a trendsetter in the near future? Not likely, because a lot of people in the West find its fusion of neo socialism and capitalism alien. There s still a crack down on civil liberties, still a human rights issue. 

Let's face it, the US is the trendsetter globally and has been for a several decades - maybe even more. Perhaps it's because a young country made of immigrants - it doesn't have a unified culture or identity ie it's not encumbered by age old traditions and culture like other countries. It certainly has it's faults, but in the US people are free to grumble, whine and protest vocally about issues. How many times has the government been criticized? Is there any threat of being taken in for questioning for 'treason' for the average moan about how crappy Republicans or Democrats are?

According to the image or perception of either countries, do people want to be like Americans or like the Chinese? A lot of people would say they want to be like, or follow the lifestyle of the former. Is that right? Who knows!!

Disclaimer: yes I live in the States. No I am not American and nor am I an America-lover. To any Chinese individuals apologies if I caused offence but these are my opinions. LOL



I guess I should put a disclaimer that I am American, albeit a confused-desi type, and no American-hating infidel. LOL

I'm just saying, the entire subcontinent region seems to be regressing trying to follow such trend setters. We just need to look at our own history and learn to perceive ourselves as being okay enough to follow, if we want to trend.

Well I have my own eccentric views on Red China, for another day. LOL

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Posted: 06 March 2013 at 6:27pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lonely0planet

Originally posted by moomin4455

1Mehak, 2Akbar was awesome - he has his faults as all emperors do. But he was tolerant of other religions and even formed his own religion too. 

But I do think culture or perception of culture is very much a part of a country being seen as a trendsetter. Look at China - it's economic growth is still incredibly fast. There is so much investment, but will China be a trendsetter in the near future? Not likely, because a lot of people in the West find its fusion of neo socialism and capitalism alien. There s still a crack down on civil liberties, still a human rights issue. 

Let's face it, the US is the trendsetter globally and has been for a several decades - maybe even more. Perhaps it's because a young country made of immigrants - it doesn't have a unified culture or identity ie it's not encumbered by age old traditions and culture like other countries. It certainly has it's faults, but in the US people are free to grumble, whine and protest vocally about issues. How many times has the government been criticized? Is there any threat of being taken in for questioning for 'treason' for the average moan about how crappy Republicans or Democrats are?

According to the image or perception of either countries, do people want to be 3 like Americans or like the Chinese? A lot of people would say they want to be like, or follow the lifestyle of the former. Is that right? Who knows!!

Disclaimer: yes I live in the States. No I am not American and nor am I an America-lover. To any Chinese individuals apologies if I caused offence but these are my opinions. LOL


one who is Mehak here Confused?
two same question to you if Akbar was awesome or not, were you born in that time? may be he was image conscious or tyrant and did not let anything negative get to the publication.. its simple right ? there was no free press..
three are there only 2 countries in the world? may be that's what they show in schools in US or wherever you were schooled
 
very depressing either way

I stand by my comment that compared to other Mughal emperors Akbar wasn't bad - it's all relative. His son was much less tolerant - and he must have had the same 'PR machine' but still comes across as far less tolerant of Hindus and those of other religions during his reign. 

I agree with Mehak's (McNinja) that one CAN have opinions about historical individuals, places etc because you cannot throw ALL of history saying it is biased. It is without a doubt, but we have a plethora of evidence that gives us an idea of general aspects - enough to formulate an opinion.

I used the 2 countries in the context of East and West. Please tell me who the main trendsetter is globally? If not the USA then who else? OK one can count Europe, I grew up in the in the UK. And all I see is the increasing Americanisation of society - the food, the films, TV etc. Aspects of hip hop culture are emulated by teens. My husband grew up in South Africa and Greece watching MTV, listening to American bands, eating American fast food like we all do as teens...on both continents! People want to be American so America is a trendsetter.

Even the Chinese who I used in reference because they have such a strong cultural identity, are emulating aspects of American culture from the food, to consuming America brands etc - among those who are more affluent - and that section of society is increasing. The same can be said for India perhaps?

My gut feeling is that people do not want to be Indian - they do not want to, en masse, adopt aspects of the culture. In my opinion that is what is needed for a country to be seen as a trendsetter; a desire for other cultures to emulate your own. How can India be that when the world is exposed to the problems within its society? 

My schooling was excellent thank you. Wink

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Posted: 07 March 2013 at 12:10am | IP Logged
Originally posted by McNinja

Originally posted by lonely0planet


one who is Mehak here Confused?
two same question to you if Akbar was awesome or not, were you born in that time? may be he was image conscious or tyrant and did not let anything negative get to the publication.. its simple right ? there was no free press..
three are there only 2 countries in the world? may be that's what they show in schools in US or wherever you were schooledWink
 
very depressing either way

1-Me LOL
did I just see you getting annoyed on that closed thread when someone mentioned it on some forums? no offence but LOL pretty dumb right? if you gave it away yourself, then you excepting some losers to not stalk.. I click on profiles too, it does not mean stalking

2-I'm confused by your question...are you saying because we aren't present during a specific time in history, we shouldn't have opinions about events, places, people during said time? Or that we should take everything with a grain of salt..
it was pretty simple what I wrote, I would not claim to know something for  a fact based on some reading material available
if you are confused by above again, sorry cant help you furtherLOL
And are you assuming what we're told today by the press is the truth in its entirety, if at all, with no filtering? Wishful thinking, I could use the real gossip for some laughs. LOL
where did I say that it is free today?, but some people try, look at yourself trying to express opinions about everything hereLOL and have a laugh, its not a bad thing at all


Edited by lonely0planet - 14 March 2013 at 5:59am

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Posted: 07 March 2013 at 12:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by moomin4455

Originally posted by lonely0planet

Originally posted by moomin4455

1Mehak, 2Akbar was awesome - he has his faults as all emperors do. But he was tolerant of other religions and even formed his own religion too. 

But I do think culture or perception of culture is very much a part of a country being seen as a trendsetter. Look at China - it's economic growth is still incredibly fast. There is so much investment, but will China be a trendsetter in the near future? Not likely, because a lot of people in the West find its fusion of neo socialism and capitalism alien. There s still a crack down on civil liberties, still a human rights issue. 

Let's face it, the US is the trendsetter globally and has been for a several decades - maybe even more. Perhaps it's because a young country made of immigrants - it doesn't have a unified culture or identity ie it's not encumbered by age old traditions and culture like other countries. It certainly has it's faults, but in the US people are free to grumble, whine and protest vocally about issues. How many times has the government been criticized? Is there any threat of being taken in for questioning for 'treason' for the average moan about how crappy Republicans or Democrats are?

According to the image or perception of either countries, do people want to be 3 like Americans or like the Chinese? A lot of people would say they want to be like, or follow the lifestyle of the former. Is that right? Who knows!!

Disclaimer: yes I live in the States. No I am not American and nor am I an America-lover. To any Chinese individuals apologies if I caused offence but these are my opinions. LOL


one who is Mehak here Confused?
two same question to you if Akbar was awesome or not, were you born in that time? may be he was image conscious or tyrant and did not let anything negative get to the publication.. its simple right ? there was no free press..
three are there only 2 countries in the world? may be that's what they show in schools in US or wherever you were schooled
 
very depressing either way

I stand by my comment that compared to other Mughal emperors Akbar wasn't bad - it's all relative. His son was much less tolerant - and he must have had the same 'PR machine' but still comes across as far less tolerant of Hindus and those of other religions during his reign. 

I agree with Mehak's (McNinja) that one CAN have opinions about historical individuals, places etc because you cannot throw ALL of history saying it is biased. It is without a doubt, but we have a plethora of evidence that gives us an idea of general aspects - enough to formulate an opinion.

I used the 2 countries in the context of East and West. Please tell me who the main trendsetter is globally? If not the USA then who else? OK one can count Europe, I grew up in the in the UK. And all I see is the increasing Americanisation of society - the food, the films, TV etc. Aspects of hip hop culture are emulated by teens. My husband grew up in South Africa and Greece watching MTV, listening to American bands, eating American fast food like we all do as teens...on both continents! People want to be American so America is a trendsetter.

Even the Chinese who I used in reference because they have such a strong cultural identity, are emulating aspects of American culture from the food, to consuming America brands etc - among those who are more affluent - and that section of society is increasing. The same can be said for India perhaps?

My gut feeling is that people do not want to be Indian - they do not want to, en masse, adopt aspects of the culture. In my opinion that is what is needed for a country to be seen as a trendsetter; a desire for other cultures to emulate your own. How can India be that when the world is exposed to the problems within its society? 

My schooling was excellent thank you. Wink

that's again based on history right.. people always have divided opinion on everything.. that's what I am trying to say.. may be there were people who did not think what was being written..
who is emulating American food? I haven't seen any Chinese gorging on beef burgers?
if someone lives in America, they are invariably going to eat what is available..LOL
don't think Italian, French, Japanese, Korean, Moroccan eat  American food either their own cuisine is much better than that..
don't think anyone wants to be anything other than their own race except the ones who are lostTongue..
 
don't you see people practicing yoga/meditation all over the world? Muay thai ? kimchi? German cars? European designers? will stop at this...pretty sure I can mention 1000s of non-American things here
 
not questioning your school.. just thought your idea of the world is very narrow and you reconfirmed with your second post above..
 
 
 


Edited by lonely0planet - 16 March 2013 at 5:46am

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Posted: 07 March 2013 at 12:41am | IP Logged
^^  Some Indiand get overawed by all things american LOL
Indian Food, clothes, spirituality, vegetarianism ---  have made their mark in these fields ---yes even in the US of A. 
It wasnt long ago that Obama was telling the american students to pick up the trend on Indians and Chinese in paying attention to their Maths and science unless they wanted to continue  lose their jobs Tongue
 

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Posted: 07 March 2013 at 5:35am | IP Logged
@Zorro, Did America follow the Chinese in that particular aspect? Should also add that spirituality, vegetarianism, meditation and all things which I think I think are good may be found in the cities on the East or West coast in the US. Come to the bible belt...LOL

@ .Baazigar...you have a point, but aren't market forces especially of consumer goods controlled by 'trendsetters'?

@lonely0planet  Yes I agree - European designs, German cars etc are see all over the world. Different cuisines are popular all over the world. But people don't want to be German, or Korean, or Indian. Perhaps I can broaden the circle from American to 'Western'. The majority of cultures across the world -especially the younger generation - want to be 'Westernized'. Never mind that most representative figure of Westernization is America. 

If I'm narrow minded to you so be it. LOL



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