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Sometimes I think dressing is misunderstood. I wear jeans and tees, not to be modern, or western, or to look good. They are just comfortable. I wearing dresses, tank tops, pant suits and 90% of western outfits just as much as salwar kameez or sarees. They are just not comfortable, nor do they move well with the body.

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Originally posted by return_to_hades

Sometimes I think dressing is misunderstood. I wear jeans and tees, not to be modern, or western, or to look good. They are just comfortable. I wearing dresses, tank tops, pant suits and 90% of western outfits just as much as salwar kameez or sarees. They are just not comfortable, nor do they move well with the body.

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Sarees, I dont know
but Salwar Kameez, especially the cotton ones are so comfortable and light , you should try them

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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 4:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ChocoBoyBarun..

OhEmbarrassed
Sarees, I dont know
but Salwar Kameez, especially the cotton ones are so comfortable and light , you should try them


Dupattas are a pain to manage.

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Posted: 06 March 2013 at 9:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Prometeus

Originally posted by ChocoBoyBarun..

Indian's lack confidence. Majority of the younger India feels that wearing a Salwar kameez makes them backward. Whereas wearing Mini skirts,gowns make them modern
Can someone define modern for me? Is being modern equal to wearing western? Is behaving in the english way [Which we are not] modern? 
PS- I have nothing against the west. What I want to say is why aren't Indian's comfident about their dresses,language culture etc etc? 
Your thinking, your ideology make you modern. Not your dresses.

I'm waiting for the day when Salwaar suits will be worn by people around the world like jeans and tops are. And Sari's instead of yucky irritating,elongated gowns

(Not just in the case of dressing)
 
We should understand the differences...Western mind and Eastern minds are different...western mind is aggressive, violent...eastern mind is receptive, just open and waiting...western mind has something to contribute to the world... It is science, not religion...eastern mind can contribute only religion, not technology or science... but science and religion are complementary...we can realize both their differences and their complementariness, then a better world culture can be born out of it...but most of the people love/like to flow or adopt many things in their life...people like/want to impress others without any reason or the inferior issue..moment you compare urself with somebody, the conclusion that comes out of the comparison is ego...for eg:Girls don't dress for guys, they dress for themselves or to show other girls... If they dressed for guys they would be naked all the time...Tongue

While I kind of see where you're coming saying that there's a dichotomy between the Eastern and Western mind is a bit much. Much of the scientific achievement we see today was built on advances made in the East: the Mesopotamians, Arabic scholars, civilisations based in the Indus valley, China. With the rise in power in the West, religion is all we can offer? I think not. I think that's a severe misconception.

How can India become a trendsetter? Trendsetter implies that people want to mimic you, follow what you do. India is unique and has much to offer, but it's swamped with cultural/societal issues. The inequality among men and women here is a problem. 

Wearing a salwaar kameez is 'bad' and 'traditional', so girls tend to go to the extreme to prove how modern they are. But showing off your legs is not modern. Standing up for your beliefs and being independent is modern, whether it's stating your right to work, to wear what you want, to have a family and be a housewife or not care if you never have sons.

How much support does a woman in a rural part of India receive when she says she doesn't want to marry at 19 and wants to go to school, to university? Can a woman clothed from top to bottom go out at night with another man of her age and not be considered a s**t and raped brutally? There are deep, systemic flaws in Indian society and they are not isolated, but widespread. The rape cases coming to light, the behaviour of the police - all of this doesn't endear the country. It doesn't make other countries want to be like India.

I'm not saying other countries which are seen as trendsetters, like the US are not without their own problems, but I won't refer to them.

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Originally posted by moomin4455


While I kind of see where you're coming saying that there's a dichotomy between the Eastern and Western mind is a bit much. Much of the scientific achievement we see today was built on advances made in the East: the Mesopotamians, Arabic scholars, civilisations based in the Indus valley, China. With the rise in power in the West, religion is all we can offer? I think not. I think that's a severe misconception.

How can India become a trendsetter? Trendsetter implies that people want to mimic you, follow what you do. India is unique and has much to offer, but it's swamped with cultural/societal issues. The inequality among men and women here is a problem. 

Wearing a salwaar kameez is 'bad' and 'traditional', so girls tend to go to the extreme to prove how modern they are. But showing off your legs is not modern. Standing up for your beliefs and being independent is modern, whether it's stating your right to work, to wear what you want, to have a family and be a housewife or not care if you never have sons.

How much support does a woman in a rural part of India receive when she says she doesn't want to marry at 19 and wants to go to school, to university? Can a woman clothed from top to bottom go out at night with another man of her age and not be considered a s**t and raped brutally? There are deep, systemic flaws in Indian society and they are not isolated, but widespread. The rape cases coming to light, the behaviour of the police - all of this doesn't endear the country. It doesn't make other countries want to be like India.

I'm not saying other countries which are seen as trendsetters, like the US are not without their own problems, but I won't refer to them.

Ayyo, agree Bim somewhat me thinks.  But I don't think it's a country's culture or society that makes it a trend setter. It's the importance any said country is given by others that make it trending and it has nothing to do with their quality of ideals. If we really look at Western cultures, are they really that appealing that so many different societies want to emulate them? I don't thin so and I don't understand this affinity we have towards anything West. I said it earlier, to me it's just a really bad case of inferiority complex that we need to get over. 

There are plenty of things to improve in India but let's look at how long it took an apparent trendsetter like America to change its laws, ideals when it came to basics such as civil rights and gender equality. It wasn't until recently that we saw these movements happen. Recently meaning relative to how long America has been around as a country. So if its freedom and equality for all that makes the West so appealing, is this the so called trend setter we would like to follow? 

Or should we look back into our history to the rule of the Mughals under Akbar who was a man centuries ahead of his time. Someone who went from being an intolerant ruler to promoting religious tolerance, encouraging philosophical debates, and allowing cultural integration. Maybe the subcontinent should look at its own history as some sort of trend to follow instead of regressing even more into this complex. 


Edited by McNinja - 06 March 2013 at 9:55am

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Originally posted by McNinja

Originally posted by moomin4455


While I kind of see where you're coming saying that there's a dichotomy between the Eastern and Western mind is a bit much. Much of the scientific achievement we see today was built on advances made in the East: the Mesopotamians, Arabic scholars, civilisations based in the Indus valley, China. With the rise in power in the West, religion is all we can offer? I think not. I think that's a severe misconception.

How can India become a trendsetter? Trendsetter implies that people want to mimic you, follow what you do. India is unique and has much to offer, but it's swamped with cultural/societal issues. The inequality among men and women here is a problem. 

Wearing a salwaar kameez is 'bad' and 'traditional', so girls tend to go to the extreme to prove how modern they are. But showing off your legs is not modern. Standing up for your beliefs and being independent is modern, whether it's stating your right to work, to wear what you want, to have a family and be a housewife or not care if you never have sons.

How much support does a woman in a rural part of India receive when she says she doesn't want to marry at 19 and wants to go to school, to university? Can a woman clothed from top to bottom go out at night with another man of her age and not be considered a s**t and raped brutally? There are deep, systemic flaws in Indian society and they are not isolated, but widespread. The rape cases coming to light, the behaviour of the police - all of this doesn't endear the country. It doesn't make other countries want to be like India.

I'm not saying other countries which are seen as trendsetters, like the US are not without their own problems, but I won't refer to them.

Ayyo, agree Bim somewhat me thinks.  But I don't think it's a country's culture or society that makes it a trend setter. It's the importance any said country is given by others that make it trending and it has nothing to do with their quality of ideals. If we really look at Western cultures, are they really that appealing that so many different societies want to emulate them? I don't thin so and I don't understand this affinity we have towards anything West. I said it earlier, to me it's just a really bad case of inferiority complex that we need to get over. 

There are plenty of things to improve in India but let's look at how long it took an apparent trendsetter like America to change its laws, ideals when it came to basics such as civil rights and gender equality. It wasn't until recently that we saw these movements happen. Recently meaning relative to how long America has been around as a country. So if its freedom and equality for all that makes the West so appealing, is this the so called trend setter we would like to follow? 

Or should we look back into our history to the rule of the Mughals under Akbar who was a man centuries ahead of his time. Someone who went from being an intolerant ruler to promoting religious tolerance, encouraging philosophical debates, and allowing cultural integration. Maybe the subcontinent should look at its own history as some sort of trend to follow instead of regressing even more into this complex. 
i would not debate/speculate this, people keep debating and most of the times unexpected things happen.
 
I mean look at Germany and Japan who would have thought after 2nd world war these two countries would do so well out of all..they never colonised.. dealt with various sanctions post war and so on..  these two are easily better than us, uk and other rich westen or eastern countries..
so might india and i wish it does well..
Im bullish on South Korea and Russia personallyLOL...due to my personal interest
 
@BOLD how do you know for sure, haven't you read all history is flawed and manipulated by those who had the power.. no one knows the truth really.. google will help you.. but here's one link for you to start
 
 
 


Edited by lonely0planet - 06 March 2013 at 10:45am

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Originally posted by lonely0planet

Originally posted by McNinja

Ayyo, agree Bim somewhat me thinks.  But I don't think it's a country's culture or society that makes it a trend setter. It's the importance any said country is given by others that make it trending and it has nothing to do with their quality of ideals. If we really look at Western cultures, are they really that appealing that so many different societies want to emulate them? I don't thin so and I don't understand this affinity we have towards anything West. I said it earlier, to me it's just a really bad case of inferiority complex that we need to get over. 

There are plenty of things to improve in India but let's look at how long it took an apparent trendsetter like America to change its laws, ideals when it came to basics such as civil rights and gender equality. It wasn't until recently that we saw these movements happen. Recently meaning relative to how long America has been around as a country. So if its freedom and equality for all that makes the West so appealing, is this the so called trend setter we would like to follow? 

Or should we look back into our history to the rule of the Mughals under Akbar who was a man centuries ahead of his time. Someone who went from being an intolerant ruler to promoting religious tolerance, encouraging philosophical debates, and allowing cultural integration. Maybe the subcontinent should look at its own history as some sort of trend to follow instead of regressing even more into this complex. 
i would not debate/speculate this, people keep debating and most of the times unexpected things happen.
 
I mean look at Germany and Japan who would have thought after 2nd world war these two countries would do so well out of all..they never colonised.. dealt with various sanctions post war and so on..  these two are easily better than us, uk and other rich westen or eastern countries..
so might india and i wish it does well..
Im bullish on South Korea and Russia personallyLOL...due to my personal interest
 
@BOLD how do you know for sure, haven't you read all history is flawed and manipulated by those who had the power.. no one knows the truth really.. google will help you.. but here's one link for you to start
 


I'm always rooting for the unexpected. Maybe that's why being non-Indian I still love India...not for what it is but what its destined to be. I want to be on the winning side, always. LOL

@bold...He was indeed a prick of a ruler, I wouldn't want to deprive him of that. But I do think he was able to consolidate most of the subcontinent while we managed to divide it. He had the foresight to know Sharia law isn't the way to go, while some countries are still trying to figure this out. I think he was able to take a heavily secular state and make it more liberal through showing more tolerance and equality than what the region was used to.

I can only base it off of what I've read so far about them though which to me has been a good amount but according to Google has been minuscule...so nothing is confirmed yet. LOL

Thanks for the article btw, will have a read later. 

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Mehak, Akbar was awesome - he has his faults as all emperors do. But he was tolerant of other religions and even formed his own religion too. 

But I do think culture or perception of culture is very much a part of a country being seen as a trendsetter. Look at China - it's economic growth is still incredibly fast. There is so much investment, but will China be a trendsetter in the near future? Not likely, because a lot of people in the West find its fusion of neo socialism and capitalism alien. There s still a crack down on civil liberties, still a human rights issue. 

Let's face it, the US is the trendsetter globally and has been for a several decades - maybe even more. Perhaps it's because a young country made of immigrants - it doesn't have a unified culture or identity ie it's not encumbered by age old traditions and culture like other countries. It certainly has it's faults, but in the US people are free to grumble, whine and protest vocally about issues. How many times has the government been criticized? Is there any threat of being taken in for questioning for 'treason' for the average moan about how crappy Republicans or Democrats are?

According to the image or perception of either countries, do people want to be like Americans or like the Chinese? A lot of people would say they want to be like, or follow the lifestyle of the former. Is that right? Who knows!!

Disclaimer: yes I live in the States. No I am not American and nor am I an America-lover. To any Chinese individuals apologies if I caused offence but these are my opinions. LOL




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