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Foreshadowing/Symbolism in QH- IMP link pg 35 (Page 17)

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 5:00am | IP Logged
Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by chicksoup

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Another scene from today's episode that foreshadows Zoya and Badi B's relationship...

They will help each other and have affection for each other

Perhaps, Badi B will drill sense into Ayaan and help Zoya realize her true feelings in future???

Yup, could that signify that Zoya will unite Badi B's progeny? If you look at it, ones children and grandchildren are like gifts from god. 

In the scene, the gifts fall and scatter cos badi b bumps into Zoya. So Zoya is definitely linked to the gudiya factory incident, that's when the families had to separate forever. 

And now Zoya helps badi b to collect the gifts, ie gather her children... Unite them. 

I don't know if I read too much into it. Embarrassed

The other significant thing was how the proof incriminating Rashid landed first in Zoya's hands when she was gathering the gifts.. There's something to it. 


Gathering her children...that is such a sweet thought.Hug

And the very obvious dailogue from Raziya:

Yeh raaz raaz bankar hi rahegaa...for some more time, at least.

The doll fell aside, waiting to be gathered by Zoya, I suppose.Smile

In the promo- the child sitting on the chair- I had felt it was the kid who was shown as Najma- if so, probably symbolises the doll which leads Zoya to the truth.  After all, the doll belongs to Najma.





Smile

Yup, the doll falls aside... Think Asad might find it?

Also another thought about the doll: Dilshad says "aur us saazish ki gawah thi woh gudiya"... I have a feeling this doll they're talking about could be either najma or Zoya. 

Someone said Zoya has suppressed memories about her past which resurface... So the doll could be Zoya? 

Or like you said, it could be najma. And she will be instrumental in Zoya's discovery? 

Great point again. This sounds like an English literature classLOL but I am impressed with all the observations. Zoya could be the symbolic 'gudiya' here.  

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 5:04am | IP Logged
Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by bheegi

Another scene from today's episode that foreshadows Zoya and Badi B's relationship...

They will help each other and have affection for each other

Perhaps, Badi B will drill sense into Ayaan and help Zoya realize her true feelings in future???

Yup, could that signify that Zoya will unite Badi B's progeny? If you look at it, ones children and grandchildren are like gifts from god. 

In the scene, the gifts fall and scatter cos badi b bumps into Zoya. So Zoya is definitely linked to the gudiya factory incident, that's when the families had to separate forever. 

And now Zoya helps badi b to collect the gifts, ie gather her children... Unite them. 

I don't know if I read too much into it. Embarrassed

The other significant thing was how the proof incriminating Rashid landed first in Zoya's hands when she was gathering the gifts.. There's something to it. 


Gathering her children...that is such a sweet thought.Hug

And the very obvious dailogue from Raziya:

Yeh raaz raaz bankar hi rahegaa...for some more time, at least.

The doll fell aside, waiting to be gathered by Zoya, I suppose.Smile

In the promo- the child sitting on the chair- I had felt it was the kid who was shown as Najma- if so, probably symbolises the doll which leads Zoya to the truth.  After all, the doll belongs to Najma.





Smile

Yup, the doll falls aside... Think Asad might find it?

Also another thought about the doll: Dilshad says "aur us saazish ki gawah thi woh gudiya"... I have a feeling this doll they're talking about could be either najma or Zoya. 

Someone said Zoya has suppressed memories about her past which resurface... So the doll could be Zoya? 

Or like you said, it could be najma. And she will be instrumental in Zoya's discovery? 


This is what I feel could have happened.Geek

Najma was one year old when the incident happened. She was waiting outside on the car when Rashid went into the factory, I think. 

The Gudiya was her B'day present from Rashid. And the Gudiya was gavaah to the saazish. It happened to be there where Raziya was talking about the plan- either before or after the murder.

The doll could have recorded it before it was given to Najma,   OR

Najma was sitting in the car playing with the doll , when Raziya blabbered, thinking the child would never understand... only, the doll recorded it. Wink



'Think Asad might find it?':

6 Packs se itni ummeed nahi hai mujhe.

They are a team- she plans and he executes...whether he likes it or not.LOL 


Waise aapke 6 packs dhishum dhishum aur gussa zyaada karte hain.  The brains are usually zoya's 
Yeah, I bet the doll with najma recorded the voices because all other dolls were burnt. Zoya was little girl too at that time...she might have heard some voices that are ' recorded' in her brain. That's why adeeti said, she could be the 'doll' with suppressed memories. 

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 5:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by bheegi

Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by bheegi

Another scene from today's episode that foreshadows Zoya and Badi B's relationship...

They will help each other and have affection for each other

Perhaps, Badi B will drill sense into Ayaan and help Zoya realize her true feelings in future???

Yup, could that signify that Zoya will unite Badi B's progeny? If you look at it, ones children and grandchildren are like gifts from god. 

In the scene, the gifts fall and scatter cos badi b bumps into Zoya. So Zoya is definitely linked to the gudiya factory incident, that's when the families had to separate forever. 

And now Zoya helps badi b to collect the gifts, ie gather her children... Unite them. 

I don't know if I read too much into it. Embarrassed

The other significant thing was how the proof incriminating Rashid landed first in Zoya's hands when she was gathering the gifts.. There's something to it. 


Gathering her children...that is such a sweet thought.Hug

And the very obvious dailogue from Raziya:

Yeh raaz raaz bankar hi rahegaa...for some more time, at least.

The doll fell aside, waiting to be gathered by Zoya, I suppose.Smile

In the promo- the child sitting on the chair- I had felt it was the kid who was shown as Najma- if so, probably symbolises the doll which leads Zoya to the truth.  After all, the doll belongs to Najma.





Smile

Yup, the doll falls aside... Think Asad might find it?

Also another thought about the doll: Dilshad says "aur us saazish ki gawah thi woh gudiya"... I have a feeling this doll they're talking about could be either najma or Zoya. 

Someone said Zoya has suppressed memories about her past which resurface... So the doll could be Zoya? 

Or like you said, it could be najma. And she will be instrumental in Zoya's discovery? 


This is what I feel could have happened.Geek

Najma was one year old when the incident happened. She was waiting outside on the car when Rashid went into the factory, I think. 

The Gudiya was her B'day present from Rashid. And the Gudiya was gavaah to the saazish. It happened to be there where Raziya was talking about the plan- either before or after the murder.

The doll could have recorded it before it was given to Najma,   OR

Najma was sitting in the car playing with the doll , when Raziya blabbered, thinking the child would never understand... only, the doll recorded it. Wink



'Think Asad might find it?':

6 Packs se itni ummeed nahi hai mujhe.

They are a team- she plans and he executes...whether he likes it or not.LOL 


Waise aapke 6 packs dhishum dhishum aur gussa zyaada karte hain.  The brains are usually zoya's 
Yeah, I bet the doll with najma recorded the voices because all other dolls were burnt. Zoya was little girl too at that time...she might have heard some voices that are ' recorded' in her brain. That's why adeeti said, she could be the 'doll' with suppressed memories. 

Yup, makes sense when you think about it... And well put! It is turning out to be quite the literature class. Smile And what fun! 


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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 7:30am | IP Logged
Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by bheegi

Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by adeeti10

Originally posted by bheegi

Another scene from today's episode that foreshadows Zoya and Badi B's relationship...

They will help each other and have affection for each other

Perhaps, Badi B will drill sense into Ayaan and help Zoya realize her true feelings in future???

Yup, could that signify that Zoya will unite Badi B's progeny? If you look at it, ones children and grandchildren are like gifts from god. 

In the scene, the gifts fall and scatter cos badi b bumps into Zoya. So Zoya is definitely linked to the gudiya factory incident, that's when the families had to separate forever. 

And now Zoya helps badi b to collect the gifts, ie gather her children... Unite them. 

I don't know if I read too much into it. Embarrassed

The other significant thing was how the proof incriminating Rashid landed first in Zoya's hands when she was gathering the gifts.. There's something to it. 


Gathering her children...that is such a sweet thought.Hug

And the very obvious dailogue from Raziya:

Yeh raaz raaz bankar hi rahegaa...for some more time, at least.

The doll fell aside, waiting to be gathered by Zoya, I suppose.Smile

In the promo- the child sitting on the chair- I had felt it was the kid who was shown as Najma- if so, probably symbolises the doll which leads Zoya to the truth.  After all, the doll belongs to Najma.





Smile

Yup, the doll falls aside... Think Asad might find it?

Also another thought about the doll: Dilshad says "aur us saazish ki gawah thi woh gudiya"... I have a feeling this doll they're talking about could be either najma or Zoya. 

Someone said Zoya has suppressed memories about her past which resurface... So the doll could be Zoya? 

Or like you said, it could be najma. And she will be instrumental in Zoya's discovery? 


This is what I feel could have happened.Geek

Najma was one year old when the incident happened. She was waiting outside on the car when Rashid went into the factory, I think. 

The Gudiya was her B'day present from Rashid. And the Gudiya was gavaah to the saazish. It happened to be there where Raziya was talking about the plan- either before or after the murder.

The doll could have recorded it before it was given to Najma,   OR

Najma was sitting in the car playing with the doll , when Raziya blabbered, thinking the child would never understand... only, the doll recorded it. Wink



'Think Asad might find it?':

6 Packs se itni ummeed nahi hai mujhe.

They are a team- she plans and he executes...whether he likes it or not.LOL 


Waise aapke 6 packs dhishum dhishum aur gussa zyaada karte hain.  The brains are usually zoya's 
Yeah, I bet the doll with najma recorded the voices because all other dolls were burnt. Zoya was little girl too at that time...she might have heard some voices that are ' recorded' in her brain. That's why adeeti said, she could be the 'doll' with suppressed memories. 

Yup, makes sense when you think about it... And well put! It is turning out to be quite the literature class. Smile And what fun! 



Yes, indeed. What fun! Smile

The brains are usually zoya's ...

KOi shaq? Look at the way he was standing there yesterday, refusing to use his brainsAngry...Zoya has to put two and two togetherThumbs Up...Rashid did NOTHING with the Gudiya factory...that must mean he is innocent. THIS GIRL IS SMART! Clap

But they make a great team...Embarrassed

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 8:47am | IP Logged
@ chicksoup...the women have the brains in this serial. Men just clench their jaws/fists (Asad), appear helpless (Rashid) or are puppets (maamujaan) or clueless (Ayaan)

@ Adeeti...I just thought about your doll symbolism. They no longer need the discarded doll as they have the real doll aka Zoya :)

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 8:56am | IP Logged
Originally posted by bheegi

@ chicksoup...the women have the brains in this serial. Men just clench their jaws/fists (Asad), appear helpless (Rashid) or are puppets (maamujaan) or clueless (Ayaan)

@ Adeeti...I just thought about your doll symbolism. They no longer need the discarded doll as they have the real doll aka Zoya :)

Sangeeta,
I love this about QH. 
The women are really smart. Problem is ,they can be misunderstood often...as helpless...but in truth, it is all about women for me. These characters have been written beautifully.Clap 



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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 9:00am | IP Logged
Originally posted by chicksoup

Originally posted by bheegi

@ chicksoup...the women have the brains in this serial. Men just clench their jaws/fists (Asad), appear helpless (Rashid) or are puppets (maamujaan) or clueless (Ayaan)

@ Adeeti...I just thought about your doll symbolism. They no longer need the discarded doll as they have the real doll aka Zoya :)

Sangeeta,
I love this about QH. 
The women are really smart. Problem is ,they can be misunderstood often...as helpless...but in truth, it is all about women for me. These characters have been written beautifully.Clap 




I think that's what Gul is trying to do here...esp in the Muslim culture where women don't always have a say

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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 11:29am | IP Logged
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Did they keep showing the Gudiya in the background when Raziya was  killing the woman(who is looking more n'more likely to be Zoya's mom)?Wink

1. It was a clue that the doll will speak the truth - as in the doll  with the chip, simply .

(But the doll with the chip was lying outside, recording maamujaan's and Raziya's conversation...before she called up Rashid. )

OR

2. Raziya was talking about something the woman had tried to take away, which rightfully belonged to her..and the doll symbolises the child who was being wronged along with the mother?



Dee, you talked about the doll in the promo, being Zoya...YOU COULD BE BANG ON RIGHT!Clap

The doll was in the center of the promo...Zoya may not even realise for a long time that the doll  symbolises her...

I don't think Maamujaan is Zoya's father...he wouldn't take his ex- wife being killed so casually.Shocked

Raziya once boasted to Badi Bi that none of her plans had failed for the past 20 years.

That means, she did something to make Zoya's dad leave her mom? And three years later finished off the mom...

OK there is a big loophole here. GeekThe dead body was never discovered. No one even knows this person was killed in the gudiya  factory...what is the saazish the newspapers are talking about when Rashid is still trying to hide the corpse?(I can still take it as poetic license...kind of a forewarning the creator is giving the audience) 


But how come Zoya has nightmares of the fire when her mom's body is still undiscovered?


Edited by chicksoup - 19 February 2013 at 11:28am

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